7 players on the bench for eL?

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Originally Posted by Fintan Cassidy

but Mr Buttimer denys this saying he didn’t arrive at the ground until 6.40pm?

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Here's one for you. This was supposed to be a 7:45pm kick-off before the kits debacle yes?

Clubs get fined for not having their team sheets handed in to the match officials 75 minutes before kick-off, and the ref has supposedly said he wasn't in the ground 65 minutes before his first game of the season??

So are the FAI going with this or not?? :D

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Originally Posted by sullanefc

So are the FAI going with this or not?? :D

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Who cares, Pats are and thats good enough for me :D



kdjac

Not sure of the score but with the sacking, the fine, the kit fiasco and 7 subs i think its.

Kerr 2 Delaney 2

This is the game we should be watching :eek:


kdjac

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Originally Posted by TonyD

Don't see how Pats can get into trouble for this when the ref passed the team sheet. Surely it's up to the officials to ensure that everything is in order ?

It's just not credible to think that any club would just decide "ah sure we'll stick a couple of extra subs on the sheet and see what happens" Especially Pats, given past history. If it comes down to who is telling porkies, I'd believe Mick Byrne over Buttimer any day. Is it possible that an FAI referee didn't actually know how many subs are permitted this year, and is now lying to cover his rear end ? Perish the thought.

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Of Course Pat's are in trouble if the rules of the competition states that only 5 subs can be named on the bench. Whether they were told they could do it or not the fact is they played the game with a distinct advantage over their opponents and I would say a replay is on the cards - IF the rule is 5.

Absolutely the match officials were at fault big time here and yes I would believe Mick Byrne before the referee and I would say it was very probable that the referee did not know how many subs could be named on the team sheet.

The best thing that could come out of all this is for the refs to be told the crowds aren't coming to see them, and to cop themselves on.
It's an old cliche I know, but you know a ref is doing a good job when you hardly notice him. How many times after a LoI game is the ref the most talked about person?

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Originally Posted by atfconline

Here's one for you. This was supposed to be a 7:45pm kick-off before the kits debacle yes?

Clubs get fined for not having their team sheets handed in to the match officials 75 minutes before kick-off, and the ref has supposedly said he wasn't in the ground 65 minutes before his first game of the season??

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interesting point. Certainly backs up what I was told...

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Originally Posted by Fintan Cassidy

I've a copy of the teamsheet for Shels Vs Dundalk last Friday, filled out on the official League form.

There are seven rows available under the 'Reserves' section.

Shels & Dundalk listed five subs each with both leaving the last 2 rows blank

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Aren't you allowed seven subs in the cup? Same team sheets I'd say?

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Originally Posted by TheBoss

It is 7 everywhere virtually, except Ireland and England. Not sure about Wales or the North

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It's 5 in Wales, at least in league matches, but there are different rules for different competitions, I think. God knows why.

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Originally Posted by atfconline

Here's one for you. This was supposed to be a 7:45pm kick-off before the kits debacle yes?

Clubs get fined for not having their team sheets handed in to the match officials 75 minutes before kick-off, and the ref has supposedly said he wasn't in the ground 65 minutes before his first game of the season??

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is it not 45 mins before kick off that teamsheets are submitted????

Unless they have changed it this season, it's 75 minutes.

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Originally Posted by Longfordian

Aren't you allowed seven subs in the cup? Same team sheets I'd say?

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This teamsheet say eircom League across the top

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Originally Posted by Fintan Cassidy

This teamsheet say eircom League across the top

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So lets see...

Team sheet says eircom league across the top, has 7 spaces for subs and has to be handed in at 6.30

Pats story; staff asked ref just before 6.30 if 7 subs were allowed. He said yes.

Refs story; nobody asked me anything as I wasn't at ground until 6.40, and I didn't check team sheet before the game.

I wonder hwo much we'll get fined

http://www.extratime.ie/newsdesk/articles/149/

"St. Patrick’s Athletic had no action taken against them in relation to the naming of seven substitutes on the team sheet v Sligo Rovers (07.03.08) after the Committee considered the submission by the club and the supplemental submission by the Referee"

It seems Pats were telling the truth...

Buttimer obviously a clown.
So it's still 5 subs?

Yep...

Buttimer should get action taken against him for this so. Either for lying about the time he arrived or for being late.

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Originally Posted by sligoman

Buttimer should get action taken against him for this so. Either for lying about the time he arrived or for being late.

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He's supposed to check the teamsheets. He hasn't done his job properly. With Pats exonerated, the FAI have tacitly acknowledged Buttimer made a balls up.

Action needs to be taken against Buttimer for a total neglect of his duties. He's a mini-Hitler joke of a ref anyway, and needs to be stripped of his badges.

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Originally Posted by pól-dcfc

He's supposed to check the teamsheets. He hasn't done his job properly. With Pats exonerated, the FAI have tacitly acknowledged Buttimer made a balls up.

Action needs to be taken against Buttimer for a total neglect of his duties. He's a mini-Hitler joke of a ref anyway, and needs to be stripped of his badges.

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Don't think it was as simple as that.

It's been confirmed to me that more than Pat's named seven subs in the first round of games. ;)