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Ya, it is a pity. Mind you I was in Andorra once and when I asked the lad at the local sports store for an Andorra shirt I could buy, he laughed at me. They sold France, Spain, Italy, Barcelona even Manc Scum Shirt. But not their own... Wonder do they have a thread??? :) :)
Do Andorrans think of themselves as Andorran? Is there a national identity there, or do they pretty much accept themselves as a glorified tax haven? They're basically Catalan, if memory serves, though the country is ancient.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pike B
and the oneills Ireland shirts of the early 80s were availableQuote:
Originally Posted by soccerc
Don't know to be honest bud, but it is a beautiful country. Would love a shirt from there. Wouldn't have a feckin sponsor on it either.....Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
The answer would be yes, if they are anything like San Marino.Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
I was there for the Euro qualifier last year and found the local Sammarinese to be fiercely proud of their independence and nationality. No San Marino shirts on sale in the shops though. But our supporters club secretary did manage to get one in a shirt swap at the match.
And no, the San Marino shirt had no sponsor on it.
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Originally Posted by newrynyuk
They sold them outside the ground at the recent game over there. Very nice shirt
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Originally Posted by newrynyuk
Same could be said when they grey 3rd jersey was released sponsoeless in Lifestyle. They sold out everywhere, and that was for a shirt we wore once and will probably never wear again.
Whatever extra money FAI get off eircom for the sponsor on jersey, I reckon they would make the same amound or more in sales of jerseys withouth sponsorship on them
Would love a San Marino shirt. They are quality. Remind me of the old Napoli jerseys. Classic..Quote:
Originally Posted by newrynyuk
i got a fake san marino shirt for a fiver when i was at the match last year, still nice even though a fake...
I emailed them there. Got this back:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pike B
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Dear Mr. ******
I’m sorry to explain you that the Federació Andorrana de Futbol hasn’t got shop by now, consequently you can’t buy the jersey of the national team of Andorra.
Best regards,
Andrea Vidal
Federació Andorrana de Futbol
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Originally Posted by Pike B
You can buy their jersey online on their official website
http://www.fsgc.sm/sources/template.asp?id=1492
TAking into account the amount Eircom pump into all levels of football including the Eircom league i reckon you would need to be selling a million or more shirts a year for the fai to make more money, and given most people probably buy a shirt every couple of years the annual sales are probably a fraction of that figure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4Ever
You mean Eircom's sponsorship of the league and their contributions at all levels of football stands or falls on whether or not they have their logo on the Ireland shirt? That's sad and pathetic if true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenforever
It's called the real world....money talks....no logo on the replica jersy reduces the exposure big time....reduced exposure = less money, what's sad and pathetic about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by newrynyuk
So Eircom really would withdraw all levels of support in Irish football if they didn't have their logo on the Ireland shirt?Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenforever
There's a fine line between sponsorship and selling out. Naming the league after Eircom is sponsorship. Sticking their logo on perimeter advertising, match programmes, interview and press conference backgrounds, even the training gear is sponsorship. Putting their logo on the national team shirt is selling out. As evidenced by the fact that absolutely no other country in the world does it.
You don't think the likes of England would maximise every revenue opportunity like this if they could? They don't because even the "39th game overseas" association recognise it's a step too far.
But not the FAI. You can almost argue they are now hostage to sponsors. Anyone visiting Croke Park or Landsdowne Road in recent years would be forgiven for thinking the full name of the country was "The Republic Of Ireland Sponsored By Eircom."
Pity that..Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
Cheers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4Ever
Excellent!!! I agree with you on everything there bud.. Get the feckin sponsor off the feckin jersey please... To put it in layman's terms.... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by newrynyuk
Where did I say the above?Quote:
Originally Posted by newrynyuk
Please DO NOT misquote me.
What I did say was that the fact they have their name on all replica jersies is one of the most important parts of their sponsorhip to Eircom.
Doing business involves give and take, if the FAI wanted to maximise revenue for the national team only there would be no Eircom sponsorhip of the LOI, there would be less live coverage of EL on TV and no MNS. The FAI takes reduced sponsorship monies to ensure greater coverage for the EL.
Personally I hate the eircom logo on the jersey. I also don't like the idea of Sky being allowed buy rights to any of our international games as I believe they should all be on free to air TV, not that it should bother me as I go to all games home and away and even if I didn't i can go to the pub to watch them.
It would be interesting to see what the FAI would earn from sponsorship swithout the logo and with to make a reasonable call on which would be better for the general football community. Remember the surplus FAI funds eventually end up as grants for junior clubs, the first to lose out when money drys up are the junior clubs.
There's surplus FAI money?? Ah C'mon!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenforever
It's not surplus. It's just resting in the account.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pike B
'Exactly'... D'oh....Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
Lads I think you are both making very good points and I am tending to agree with you both after reading each others posts. Sitting on the fence I think its called.
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Originally Posted by Pike B
I take it you've never been involved in junior football, applied for a grant for your local club, watched the senior team train at Malahide Utd's fabulous grounds, atended an FAI coaching course, met a regional development officer, attended any of the 100+ internationals we play every year (more than England and their naked jerseys play) or do you think that money comes from the tooth fairy
No no. Don't get me wrong, Greenforever. I wasn't quoting you, I merely ask, and I ask again; Does Eircom's sponsorship of all levels of football stand or fall on whether they have their logo on the national team's shirt?Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenforever
If the answer is no, by how much would the FAI lose if the shirt was logoless? Would they somehow make up the shortfall to a great degree if they increased the price of the sponsor-free shirt?
If the answer is yes, then it really is sad and pathetic. But then like I said, it's more the FAI's fault rather than Eircom's. The FAI built a rod for it's own back by allowing Opel on the shirts over 20 years ago and with every subsequent contract, they couldn't drop it.
The answer is NO but logosless shirts would drastically reduce the value of the sponsorship, and while Im not aware of the figures I trust Delaney in this regard that financially the FAI are far better off with the logo than without.Quote:
Originally Posted by newrynyuk
Why is it the FAI's fault to increase thier revenue stream, surely that is what they should be doing so as to provide as previously stated subsidised coaching courses, RDOs, all the junior internationals, the centres of excellence being developed throughout the country etc. I know they get a certain amount of state funding for this but they need to match this themselves.
While not a fan of the logo on a shirt I would prefer this and to see the positives Ive listed above.
Whilst they are right to try and increase revenue streams, it's the FAI's fault because sponsorship on the shirts should never have been on the table in the first place when seeking spnsorship. The likes of Finland, Slovenia, Wales, Northern Ireland etc. aren't exactly rolling in it but don't resort to this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenforever
Besides, doesn't this create negative publicity for Eircom? I think it's safe to assume that the vast majority of Irish fans are - to put it mildly - resentful of their logo on the Ireland top.
If they want to keep the logo then the jerseys should be marked lower price as they aren't a replica of whats being worn on the pitch.
I agree with you newry, only in ireland would this happen, *******ise ourselves for a couple of extra quid. Why werrent they as aware of the financial repercussions when they appointed stan? 800,000 in payout, and about 20 million in lost income by not getting to Euro 2008..Laughing stock! does any other nation in the whole world have a sponsor for their national football team in fairness, i doubt it very much!Quote:
Originally Posted by newrynyuk
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Originally Posted by newrynyuk
You're contradicting yourself above.
What is the FAI's fault?
The reason the logo is on the shirt is money.
What does the FAI do with it's money and do we want the money or not.
As I've previously said we play far more internationals than any of the above mentioned teams, which is surely a positive thing for the game.
Which do you want the money from Eircom and the benefits or no money and no benfits?
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Originally Posted by citizenerased
Nationwide are the English FA sponsors!
are nationwide on the english replica shirts...its not a case of black or white GF! surely they can renegotiate the next contract without the logo on it?
Read what I said, it's the FAI's fault for allowing sponsorship on the shirt when it should never have been on the table in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenforever
As to whether I want the money from Eircom and the benefits or no money and no benefits, you said so yourself that Eircom's sponsorship doesn't hinge on them having their logo on the Ireland shirt. Surely something can be worked out if Nationwide pay far more to sponsor England and without this "perk"?
Two versions of the shirt is the obvious answer. A logoed verison to keep Eircom happy, and a dearer, sponsor-free one. Haven't adidas done this for the France shirt for the last few years? They sell a replica shirt, and also an "authentic player's" version that costs about £20 more.
See your the problem right here. Talk like a politician, bombard us with statistics and figures and fancy info all you like mate, bottom line, we want logo free shirts available to us. Like our team wears, like every other person in every other country on planet earth has with their national team.. Now stop giving excuses and trying to justify it..... It's wrong.. You really think all that you just said would come to an abrupt halt if the Eircom was removed from our shirt?? Get a grip man...Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenforever
Not one other nation...Quote:
Originally Posted by citizenerased
Just go out and buy the third kit without the sponsor! if everyone boycotts the home kit then the FAI will soon get the hint!
Amen... That'll teach the swines..Quote:
Originally Posted by stiffler
I think you will find a lot of people won't agree with you that the logo on the shirt should never have been on the table in the first place. Ask the thousands of volunteers in clubs throughout the country and I'm sure you will find just as many in support of the logo as against.Quote:
Originally Posted by newrynyuk
Why do you think Nationwide pay far more to sponsor England, would it be to do with a bigger population?
Two versions of the shirt may well be the answer if Eircom were to agree to it, or whoever replace Eircom when they pull out in a couple of years.
Incidentally the IRFU have O2 on thier shirts and the GAA have Coca Cola on the interantional rules shirts!
So you can't argue with reason so I'm the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pike B
IT's pretty simple you can't spend what you don't have, if the FAI's revenue is reduced they have to reduce expenditure, and if I'm the cause of that fact please accept my apologies, while I go out and plant a few money trees:rolleyes:
Isn't the sponsor on the rugby jersey mandated by the international rugby board?Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenforever