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from you?! :P
now now, lets not get personal.
i think this is a disgrace really, retiring at 28 FFS. I haven't seen it confirmed any where so hopefully it isn't true!!!!!
The quiet types with professional attitudes are retiring. First Finnan, now O'Brien.
I think they weren't impressed by the whole Mick Byrneification of the Ireland squad under Staunton. One can only guess how unprofessionally the Ireland team has been run for the last two years. The results certainly speak for themselves. I think they spent most of their time partying.
Just because someone is quiet does not mean they are professional. Its like the whole thing, maybe someoen is shy because they are actually dull.
You know I do. We were very unprofessional under Stan, I would love to have been a fly on the dressing room wall during his team talks. Would loved to hear his thoughts on strategy.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
O'Brien was scapegoated along with Kenny for the Cyprus disaster when the blame lay solely with Stan.
I've no idea if he really has retired but the FAI and the senior teams is a shambles right now so frankly why should he risk his club career for Ireland. He is finally getting first team football again and I'm sure he knows which side his bread is buttered.
The first thing the new manager has to do is try convince Finnan and O'Brien to return. We can't afford to be losing experienced players like these with no real replacements.
Strange how opinions differ. I'd rather have u18's, who actually wanted to be there and are proud to be, on the pitch than players who have to be convinced to represent their countryQuote:
Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar
What do you mean scapegoated, he was so unbelieveably sh*t in that matchQuote:
Originally Posted by Qwerty
it doesn't even bear talking about.. Even the passage of time doesn't make it any better..
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Originally Posted by NeilMcD
So would that be a dull profesional?
Or Irish players (actually from Ireland) who play for Irish teams in the Irish national league where they are supported by Irish people and who would give careful consideration to giving their left leg for an Irish cap, rather than these over paid, under played goms who shouldn't have been near the shirt in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by micls
Of course, special bile is reserved for the first Irish 'superstar' to declare this type of crap, who continues to insult Irish football with his plastic paddy relegation fodder.
If true, this is outrageous. Talk about going out with a whimper, you'd think the clown would want to redeem himself in some way after the utterly pathetic shifts he put in in the last couple of years. Never rated him in the first place, but we're not exactly blessed with central defenders.
http://www.thisislancashire.co.uk/sp...ish_future.php
Whole thing seems a little sketchy.
Jesus Christ!
"Republic of Ireland coach (sic) Don Givens claimed he had received word that the centre-half, recalled into the squad for the first time in over a year to face Brazil in a friendly this week, may have quit the international game.
O'Brien has not yet confirmed or denied that he is ready to call time on his Ireland career after previously earning 23 caps whilst playing for Newcastle United and Portsmouth. But Givens said last night that he was preparing to face the Brazilians without the 29-year-old on Wednesday night
"I have tried to contact him (O Brien) but I won't be able to clear that up until I have spoken to him.
It is obviously disappointing for someone who can still contribute a lot to be thinking about retirement.
But I haven't spoken to him to find out about his reasons."
I was joking earlier whan I suggested that Givens was going to use O Briens retirement as his "Big Announcement" today, but I never dreamed that the moron would go on television, and effectively retire one of his named squad on the sole basis of "man down the pub" information, without having the decency to consult him to see if it was true before announcing it to the press.
What an utter buffoon! Was it a "Please dont ask me about the announcement I was supposed to be making about a new manager. The whole process is very traumatic for me. Would you like a juicy retirement story instead?" thing?
The question now is:
We know more about his terrible communication skills, poor judgement & lack of media ability now because he's constantly under the media spolight (due to his inappropriate presence on the 'interview committee' and his apparent dogged attempt to become the world's longest serving manager that nobody appointed) , but what else has Givens done in the past that was NOT scruitinsed? Who else has he alienated, and what damage has he done behind the scenes that we were never told about?
Even if Givens is sure that there's some substance to this "heard it off a bloke..." rumour, it was incredibly unprofessional of him to effectively leak it in such a way. Turn the spotlight off please. Mr Givens has had quite enough exposure, he has to go now.
Scapegoated in the sense that he hadn't been playing first team football at Portsmouth for quite a while and wasn't match sharp, he shouldn't have been in the starting 11. It was Stan's fault for picking the wrong midfield and Stan's fault for picking O'Brien though he has tried to pass the buck to Robson.Quote:
Originally Posted by Condex
Very dissapointed if true... But I think it's another example of the incompetence, innadequacies, unprofesionalism of the FAI waterfalling down to the players... Why should a player risk his club career to represent his country when the supporting structures mean it's a complete waste of time.. Players are jepardising the place in teams, and for what?? Clowns in suits, deflection of responsibility and accountability, mind boggling selections by an incompempetent manager, Delaney with his maverick appointments...
Everyone has to be on the same page and pulling in the same direction. If that was the case I'd resent O'Brien for what he's doing. As things stand there's no insentive to risk his club career to play for Ireland. The romantics amongst us may well argue differently, but you have to choose battles. This is a team game and the team in this case extends beyond the playing 23 squad members. If everyone's not channeling efforts properly it's a complete waste time for a commited individual...
:D which is relevant how?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
If it turns out that he hasn't retired then we can all add this to the ever-growing list of incompetence from the FAI.
how Givens can announce this to the media without even talking to the man himself takes unprofessionalism to a brand new level.
And this is the man that is charged with finding our new manager....? :mad:
Richard Dunne's comments suggest he has retired alright, and also that more may follow.
The players seem pretty angry with the FAI.
The expression on Richard Dunne's face said it all. Indeed none of the senior players appeared to be at all happy.
Cause Weir came back and played under another manager i.e. Walter Smith, so if O Brien was annoyed and being messed about and getting the blame, well guess what we will have a new manager in soon and Staunton is gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billsthoughts
So it is relevant cause there is precedent with another country
Scotland isnt a country tho...Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
yeah 'tis
no 'tisn't
for the point of international football it is it has an international team and this is a football thread so your point might be more relevant in off topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billsthoughts
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Wannabee Scot?
Yeah I think you are, you should go to shrink bill, I think you need to get over your stalking problem.
:)Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
Maybe its because I am such a keen fan of your posts that I noticed your unusual ability to get a Sctoland reff into any thread regardless of the topic.
Yeah you need help Bill but anyway this does not have much to do with Andy O Brien.
Andrew is a Scottish name.
Its actually the Gaelicised version of the old Azerbaijani "Andzerzki"....
Robbie and Richard are Germanic and Damian is Greek.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
28? For shame, Andy, you coward.
Andys playing well at the moment and arguably is first choice alongside Dunne. Hopefully he'll return when the new manager comes back. Retiring at 28 is a joke though.
The timing raises questions? Has he heard something in terms of an appointment I wonder??
I can understand the bitterness, but lads, Don Givens and Delaney represent everything that wrong with the set up. Givens constantly overlooks form players at underage level in Garvan and McCann and now Morrison, gets involved in childish media rows with players like Ireland, Connolly, McCann, is so unproffesional that he announces a players retirement before he's even confirmed it with the player inquestion.. I could go on. And Delaney, with his persistent deflection of accountabililty and responsibility..
And we expect player to jepardise the club careers to carry these clowns for our sake... I'm sorry lads, but I wouldn't do it. These are the same dopes who up until a few years ago travelled first class and left the players in steerage.. The whole lot needs a shake up.
Nothing has changed.
There was nothing funny that day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob_the_cat
I only just found this out now. Has it actually been confirmed by a reputable news source? I can't seem to find anything other than the links posted on this thread. If so, it's a massive loss as he is IMO currently our second best centre back. I wonder whether there's more to it than this. Maybe he was told he wouldn't be playing against Brazil and got ****ed off at not being given a chance. Whatever the reason though, it doesn't excuse retiring at the age of 28. Other than McShane, who I don't feel is quite ready yet, we really don't have anyone anywhere near to international class that can take his place.
Givens has said today that he has not heard from Andy so has called Alex Bruce into the squad to replace him. Its a strange one
“I haven’t been able to make any contact with Andy O’Brien, so I’ve called in Alex Bruce and he’ll arrive in this afternoon,” said Givens.
http://www.fai.ie/index.php?option=c...k=view&id=2833
Saw that earlier and thought maybe he hadn't retired but hadn't bother making the trip either without any communication being made. Givens might of been ****ed off and so said "Yeh Andy's retired". If so some serious questions need to be answered by Givens!Quote:
Originally Posted by cornerflag
You would think that anyone with a shread of self respect would not want that Cyprus game to be their last game for Ireland, talk about going out with a whimper. This retiring from internationals is getting more and more ridiculous, 28 is just taking the ****, many if not most defenders peak after 28