Did anyone here phone Givens up to declare their intention to be included? Worth a try, I guess.
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Did anyone here phone Givens up to declare their intention to be included? Worth a try, I guess.
Whilst I agree in principal with Givens I really do think he needs to reel himself in a bit....all he had to say was that Ireland wasn't called up because as far as anyone knew he hadn't made himself available again.. I think Givens has a bit of an ego problem, he seems to go running to the nearest camera & microphone as soon as he has something worthy of a soundbyte to spout, fair enough he's in charge but somethings should be conducted in private between the manager & the player not in on the 6 o'clock news or in the morning papers
Did he specifically say he didn't want to be in the squad for the Brazil game?Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
So you think its up to the manager to ask SI before every match if this is the game that he feels like playing for Ireland again?
I agree with what Givens said but disagree that he had to say them publicy. The ball is in Stephen Ireland's court, everybody knows including Stephen I bet. That's all he had to say really. Givens got a little carried away with his rant IMO.
givens stepped over the line, the last word was that SI didn't want to be considered so there should be assumed no change in that situation. no need for a schoolyard rant. frankly i'd imagine that SI is hugely embarrassed over the whole grandmothersgate and might feel it insulting to irish fans if he returned too soon. maybe it's best let him get on with solidifying his club performances from now until the end of the season. his form is too erratic (brilliant goals, disappearing for long stretches, alan smith-style tackles), his relative youth the likely factor. i wish him well, he's an interesting player and character, of that there is no doubt.
Did he wait by the phone for Damien Duff to tell him he's fit again, or Steven Reid?Quote:
Originally Posted by Morbo
He's the manager (temporary), he should manage.
As I see it the lad has or had problems and after "granny-gate" he felt he wouldn't be right to play for his country. It's all very tragic what happened and his decision should be respected. In the meantime Stan gets sacked, Given steps in for the Wales match and leaves him out without calling him on the basis that he said no to the previous manager.
Then he gives us this crap about giving up your right arm for the jersey (it wouldn't fit properly if you did) and expects us all to put on our best patriotic face and call him a traitor.
As I said earlier, there should be a middle ground. Maybe Bertie could step in and mediate in between tribunal appearances.:D
I heard the press conference on Newstalk this morning and Givens fell for the gathered Journalists leading line of questioning in relation to Stephen Ireland.
Why is Ireland not included? Did you contact him before the game? He's one of our best players why did you leave him out? etc etc etc.
Stan included him in the squad for the games against Germany and Cyprus and look how badly that back fired on him. I think its right that he wasnt selected. Realistically this is not givens problem and isnt an issue he should be dealing with. Its something for the new manager to sort out, which I for one hope he will, we need players like SI.
While Ireland sholdn't have been included for the game and rather be left for the new manager to sort out, Givens hanling of the situation shows just how small-time, and generally awful a manager he is. The entire thing could have been easily diffused with a simple "Obviously Stephen is playing brilliantly at the moment for City, I hope that continues and that the new manager sits down and discusses his future with him." Givens doesn't seem to have a clue about the modern game or how to deal with modern players. Still, at least it's not like he's not being put in charge of the biggest decision in Irish football...
SI is a moodey plonker who doent deserve all these comments. I think Givens should be sacked as U21 manager both for his selections and tactics (lack of) but I have to agree with him about Ireland who only plays for Ireland when it suits him.
I have never understood why people rave about him as he only appears to play for about 5 minutes in all the Irish games.
Thats a very good question. And why is it the same for almost all other underage managers. How can we expect good underageplayers with managers like that. Obviously he is very good friends with cetain indiduals in the FAIQuote:
Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar
The comments were tactless, and frankly, Id expect nothing less from a man who sees no wrong in being simultaneously the Irish u21 boss AND kingmaker in chief of the interview board for a new manager.
His u21 record is abysmal, his media ability similarly poor, his communication skills are rotten, & his instincts are dubious:
Why only include 4 strikers in what is fundamentally a preview squad for the new manager when a 5th Irish striker is currently in a rich vein of goalscoring form, unlike at least 2 of the named forwards chosen?
Was the talented but undeniably injured Andy Reid included for givens to make a dogged point about Stephen Ireland? "Id rather have a crocked , one legged sandwich fancier in my midfield than tha ireland lad!"
Buffoonery. The rate things are going, Givens is in line to be the longest serving International manager that nobody ever appointed.
Givens' comments were unprofessional to say the least. He seems to love the media 'spotlight'.
If Given was manager for the WCQ 2002 campaign he would have fallen out with Roy Keane before we'd even started our qualifying campaign.
Stephen Ireland may have issues etc but he needs to be the one to make the first move as he has shown no respect for the many irish fans that make many sacrafices to see the team play
How should modern players be dealt with?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jicked
You either want to play for your country or you don't. Last word from SI was he didn't feel ready to play. No doubt when he is he will tell someone. Don't see why Givens or anyone else should go chasing after him or any other prima donna.
I think the situation with Steven Ireland is a vastly different thing. I don't think the injury thing is comparable at all to be honest. They've never made any noises about not wanting to play for Ireland again, their physical condition made it impossible. With Ireland, he doesn't want to play for us (appearantly). But I hope this is sorted out soon. Hopefully Houllier or whoever convinces Ireland and Finnan to resurrect their International Careers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Denis The Red
It is up to Ireland to decide whether Ireland plays for Ireland.
Ireland will just have to accept Ireland's decision.
That is how I see it anyway, it couldn't be simpler.
If only we had a world class underage manager somewhere in the country idling his time. The sort of guy who could win european championship and get to world championship semi finals. Oh wait.....Quote:
Originally Posted by finnpark
I'd love to see someone like Kerr take on the U21's but I doubt it would ever happen.....can't see the FAI asking & can't imagine Kerr acceptingQuote:
Originally Posted by cavan_fan
I think someone like Liam Brady or even Steve Heighway would be a brilliant candidate for the U21 job...both have been entrusted with the development of 2 of the biggest teams in Europes youth systems so their qualifications are beyond reproach...question is, would either of them do it?
Perhaps if they were promised the position of the senior squad if they achieved reasonable success (qualification for major youth tournaments).Quote:
Originally Posted by Wangball
If Kerr were in charge, then Stephen Ireland's mood would be irrelevant. He stated before he would never play for Ireland again if Kerr was the manager
TBH I don't think he's good enough to start in a 4 man midfield for us yet. A 5 man midfield definitely, but if he was starting in the centre of a 4 man midfield the other central midfielder would have his work cut out protecting his defence as Ireland does **** all to help (as was the case in Slovakia when Carsley was doing the work of two players for the whole game).
I think he can work in a 4 man midfield as a wide man, but I'd agree with leaving him out of the centre of the park in a 4 man midfield.Quote:
Originally Posted by jmurphyc
I know he plays on the right for City but I don't really like him in that role as he'll drift in a lot and we'll lose our threat down the right. I think the best role for him unless Sven makes him more tactically aware is in the hole behind our striker(s).Quote:
Originally Posted by irishfan86
He's kinda similar to Kranjnar at Pompey.
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Originally Posted by Denis The Red
Yeah agree
I cant stand Givens, and would imagine that if i was a footballer i would rather ignore him than play for him, ala Ireland.
I mean it all goes back to Roy again. Its hard to play for Ireland with the shower thats running it
And i hate all that patriotic rubbish, its about professionalism and proper coaching, and treating player with respect, and not having rants to the press.
Can we really trust Givens to pick irelands next manager?
Givens has behaved disgracefully. He has made the situation worse than it was and has made the job of the new manager harder.
He has taken on a role of "holder of the torch" for the Irish football pulic and the nation at large.
Ireland desperately need a player like S.Ireland to help us qualify for the World Cup. He is one of the best young players in the Premier League. Much is made of his so called defensive fraities, but against West Ham I thought him to be one of the best tacklers on the pitch.
Givens could have left him out and when asked about his ommission, simply said that he felt the new manager should be the one to decide on his role with Ireland. That way he wouldn't compromise his own beliefs, but woudn't more or less terminate the international career of a young, albeit temperamental young fella
Maybe the reason we haven't had a managerial appointment yet is that Don is waiting for the applicants to all him....why should he go to them cap in hand asking them if they want to manage Ireland??
said it before and I'll say it again, he's a clown of the highest proportion with a very high opinion of himself
He's not strictly speaking a right winger at Man City, if you watch him when Elano gets the ball, he starts running down the inside right channel, between the centre half and the full back. I've seen him play through the middle as well.
What about players showing respect to their team mates, to the fans, to the management and to the privilege of playing for their country. Didn't see much of that from SI not only in Bratislava but also when he walked out on Kerr and his colleagues. What has SI done to deserve anyone's respect?Quote:
Originally Posted by bennocelt
What should the new manager do?
a. Ignore him until contacted first.
b. Name him in the next squad and wait for a response.
c. Name him in the squad and leave his tel nr with the club with an invitation to call.
d. Meet with him personally and talk about his "state of mind" before naming him in the squad.
e) "broker" a return via his club manager
e) "broker" a return via his club manager?
Now you can committ yourself Stutts.
If I was the new manager I'd like to think I'd have a chat in person or on the phone at least with each memeber of my senior squad.
I'd ask Stephen straight out does he want to play for his country? If he says no then fair enough, if he says "maybe in a few months time I'm still unsure" I'd tell him he turns up for the first training squad or he'll never get a game during my reign as manager. If he says yes then I'd welcome him into the squad and reassure him that I'll do everything in my power to help him out so long as he doesn't take the mick - no lies or BS or else he's on the first plane home to Manchester.
Givens is damn right and he hits the nail on the head here.Every single person on this forum would give anything to play for Ireland yet young Stephen couldn't give a ****.Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
Conpletely agree Doc TV.
This thing was ridicoulous.
One press corp person, from Newstalk106, with his own agenda raised the question and then wouldn't let the issue go, pushing Givens on it.
Now like most, or all, of the previous posts I am no fan of Givens but we have all heard his ramblings before and one thing Givens is not is a calm, composed public speaker.
Most other managers would have answered the first question and then said ' I have no further comment on the Stephen Ireland issue' thats the end of it for then.
His (Givens) comments went a bit OTT, as he shouldnt have said them publicly, but I absolutely agree with him as regards why should he fall over himself trying to get in touch with S Ireland.
Considering whats went before S Ireland is the one that should be crawling over hot coals trying to get in touch with the FAI/Givens, it isnt that hard.
Richie Dunne is in the same dressing room day in day out as him, he can easily pass on word he is ready to come back in, or what about shock horror phoning Don Givens , 'Hi Don Im ready to be considered again if you deem me worthy of a place'. A bit of humility would do wonders.
Stpehen ireland isnt a pre teen child that needs molicoddling he needs to grow up, cop on and get a set of ba**s and come back into the fold the immature idiot.
I like the fact that Givens is tough on the players at U21 level, though it should be done in private not through the media.
I remember a few years ago he laid into Keith Foy, who was playing at Forest at the time and had great potential but he didn't take care of his body and his attitude wasn't right, he didn't make it but Givens gave him all the warnings he could have needed.
He also got into Fat Boy Andy Reid and I think it spurred Reid on.
Dunno about that, Reid has often said the youth coach at Forest was a massive influence on him getting his act together, and his girlfriend at home in Ireland was pregnant so he could either come home and work as a labourer or really give the football a go.Quote:
Originally Posted by Qwerty