Finnan unhappy with 'impatient' Irish

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23/01/2008, 1:03 PM
shanman2

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Originally Posted by Torn-Ado

Eh? :confused:

Greece yes, as for the other two, No.

No point answering to your comments, you don't seem to understand.
23/01/2008, 1:03 PM
citizenerased

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Originally Posted by shanman2

Point 1= Poland, Greece and Sweden all have teams who compete regularly in the champions league So yes they do they have strength in depth in the most important point here, a much bigger selection pool..

Yeah what swedish and polish teams have qualified for the group stages of the champions league in the last 4 years. How many of their squads play in the supposed best league in the world compared to ours? Have they got better squads than us? yes or no

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Originally Posted by shanman2

Point 2= Ya grand you deserve your say we all do as fans. Did we have the manager and players Scotland had -NO. Pro footballers know they have played muck they don't need the fans to turn on them and abuse them your no better than those English yobos. Supporters stand by their team in theirour of need. If your not happy don't go...

Oh...sorry you mean top quality scottish players like darren fletcher, stephen McManus, Kenny Miller, and James McFadden and barry ferguson...what was i thinking? We didnt have the manager, but isnt that half the point!! to get the best possible preformance from the group of players at their disposal.!!

Also i dont shout abuse at them, but iam entitled to be unhappy and jump around like a leprachaun when we lose...I wont stop goin, and i wont stop complaining either..because ill follow the team through Thick and thin..unlike alot of other irish fans!!

Point 3= Someone payed for the performances namely Stephen Staunton. By god did pay dearly publically humiliated and broken down as a man. We have a good 15 players thats all. If we have a few injuries we are up the proverbial creek without a paddle. The Irish team need your support not your abuse.[/QUOTE] I think youl find it was the fai who paid, 800,000 to be exact..he was on 400,000 grand a year, no one forced him to take the job,,the abuse was harsh and over the top..but he made a hash of it...plus stan is the most over-rate player ever he was never a 'great' player for us!
23/01/2008, 1:05 PM
jmurphyc

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Originally Posted by shanman2

You obviously switched off your tv after the game!!! Cause I remember more than a few fans roaring abuse at them.

I was at the game. :confused: I think you misunderstood my post. I was saying that the poster didn't mention anything about abuse.
23/01/2008, 1:07 PM
RogerMilla

Steve finnan has now retired , served us pretty well and so deserves his chance to give out to the media. But the fact is that we were utter toilet in the last campaign and everyone involved should be ashamed of themselves except Hunt , Doyle , Given and Dunne , maybe andy reid( apologies if i have left anyone out but thats about it for me , S. Ireland outwith grannygate and carsely for turning up but not for his play). We need committed individuals. if the players dont like going on international duty then get lost. retire if you like. we will support the eleven lads who are on the pitch. If we dotn agree with the management then we will let them know. With a decent manager we could be close to challenging regardless of who we get in the group with and we could be going to every second or third tournament. we have been to 1 in the last 7 tournaments. i think we should have gone to more , certainly the year we were seeded first was a poor performance. we have outstanding fans , committed in a way that the french bandwagon jumpers and the germans who expect to win every game will never know.

Impatient? My arse!
23/01/2008, 1:12 PM
Torn-Ado

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Originally Posted by shanman2

No point answering to your comments, you don't seem to understand.

Brilliant.

Now do please tell me what Polish and Swedish sides have qualified regularly for the champions league like you said earlier.

Because I don't seem to understand, like. :eek:
23/01/2008, 1:14 PM
Lionel Ritchie

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Originally Posted by jebus

Fair play Finnan, validating my point about him not playing in his position being a big factor along the way. Irish fans are moaners, pure and simple, we're a small country who's average player level seems to be high Championship or low Premiership and yet they still expect qualification each and every time (and don't give me that ****e about Cyprus etc., you all expect to qualify for the next World Cup right). Plus some of the bile spewed at Finnan over on the Finnan retires thread proves beyond doubt that Irish fans have become more personal in their attacks on players. What the media were allowed to do to an Irish playing legend like Staunton was ridiculous, whatever his shortcomings were as manager

Qualification for tournaments has relatively little to do with it. Irish supporters expect the team to be competetive. They expect the team to still be in contention to qualify for a tournament with three games to go. Looking around Europe at comparatively sized nations, their player pools and general standard ...that's not asking too much.

I, and I suspect the great majority on here, fully agree with you in relation to the media. We now have an element in our media that bring Kermit the Frog dolls to Irish training sessions. Now personally I'd like that element rounded up and gassed like rats but my legal advice is that, if I were to do so, my position before the courts and in the eyes of the law is at best uncertain and perhaps even actionable.
23/01/2008, 1:17 PM
shanman2

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Originally Posted by citizenerased

Yeah what swedish and polish teams have qualified for the group stages of the champions league in the last 4 years. How many of their squads play in the supposed best league in the world compared to ours? Have they got better squads than us? yes or no

Oh...sorry you mean top quality scottish players like darren fletcher, stephen McManus, Kenny Miller, and James McFadden and barry ferguson...what was i thinking? We didnt have the manager, but isnt that half the point!! to get the best possible preformance from the group of players at their disposal.!!

Also i dont shout abuse at them, but iam entitled to be unhappy and jump around like a leprachaun when we lose...I wont stop goin, and i wont stop complaining either..because ill follow the team through Thick and thin..unlike alot of other irish fans!!

Point 3= Someone payed for the performances namely Stephen Staunton. By god did pay dearly publically humiliated and broken down as a man. We have a good 15 players thats all. If we have a few injuries we are up the proverbial creek without a paddle. The Irish team need your support not your abuse.

I think youl find it was the fai who paid, 800,000 to be exact..he was on 400,000 grand a year, no one forced him to take the job,,the abuse was harsh and over the top..but he made a hash of it...plus stan is the most over-rate player ever he was never a 'great' player for us![/QUOTE]

102 caps seem to say otherwise. No he wasn't forced to do the job. But he got it he had to go grand i can except that. Humiliating him publically is not exceptable.

Scotlands first 11 was far ahead of ours throughout the qualifying campaign. I Will admit that if we have everyone fit our first 11 is good enough to qualify after that any injury and we are fecked. Scotland had their preferred first 11 available most of the time in the qualifying.
23/01/2008, 1:17 PM
citizenerased

agree 100% Roger well said...
23/01/2008, 1:21 PM
Torn-Ado

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Originally Posted by gustavo

Why should we expect to beat Slovakia?

We should expect to beat them with 60 seconds left on the clock. But as usual we folded.

Thats my point.
23/01/2008, 1:34 PM
Stuttgart88

And maybe because Wales beat them 5-2 the same week, same place.
23/01/2008, 1:37 PM
boovidge

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Originally Posted by shanman2

I Will admit that if we have everyone fit our first 11 is good enough to qualify after that any injury and we are fecked.

So we go from 'being good enough to qualify' to being thrashed by Cyprus and scraping past San Marino in the last minute because of injuries to a few players?
23/01/2008, 1:56 PM
Dr. Ogba

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Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie

Qualification for tournaments has relatively little to do with it. Irish supporters expect the team to be competetive. They expect the team to still be in contention to qualify for a tournament with three games to go. Looking around Europe at comparatively sized nations, their player pools and general standard ...that's not asking too much.

I, and I suspect the great majority on here, fully agree with you in relation to the media. We now have an element in our media that bring Kermit the Frog dolls to Irish training sessions. Now personally I'd like that element rounded up and gassed like rats but my legal advice is that, if I were to do so, my position before the courts and in the eyes of the law is at best uncertain and perhaps even actionable.

totally agree. well said
23/01/2008, 1:59 PM
jebus

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Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie

I, and I suspect the great majority on here, fully agree with you in relation to the media. We now have an element in our media that bring Kermit the Frog dolls to Irish training sessions. Now personally I'd like that element rounded up and gassed like rats but my legal advice is that, if I were to do so, my position before the courts and in the eyes of the law is at best uncertain and perhaps even actionable.

I doubt that, and the previous thread and the nonsense spouted against him suggest that I'm right in thinking a lot of Irish fans fully endorse the Kermit the Frog approach
23/01/2008, 2:03 PM
boovidge

jebus, just because the fans are wrong doesn't make the players right. They underperformed in the last campaign.
23/01/2008, 2:07 PM
livehead1

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Originally Posted by jebus

I doubt that, and the previous thread and the nonsense spouted against him suggest that I'm right in thinking a lot of Irish fans fully endorse the Kermit the Frog approach

Its doubtless that some do endorse this approach, similarly there are some in Germany who fully endorse facism, but they are the minority in the extreme. The vast majority feel that the media have a serious problem but this should not distract us from the fact that our team has underachieved in recent years.

Your problem appears to be that you cannot accept anyone's opinion but your own. Numerous posters on this board have made extremely valid and relevant points on this topic yet you have chosen to simply ignore them and continue to argue a side issue.
23/01/2008, 2:08 PM
jebus

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Originally Posted by boovidge

jebus, just because the fans are wrong doesn't make the players right. They underperformed in the last campaign.

Not to the point that some of you think. They came third, albeit with a lower points total then should be expected, which is their natural level in a group including the Czechs and Germany, and I'm sure the players were taken back with the absolute **** that was spouted against Staunton in particular, and them all in general, by the media and the ordinary fan. Once again some of ye seem to think that if your country wants you then it's national duty to uphold the standards the fans set for you. It isn't, you don't pay their wages, they are there by choice, and so when they don't want to be they should be allowed leave without any fuss, or in the case of footballers like Finnan, to a round of applause, not to a bunch of 'I'm more Irish than you' lunacy for a bunch of no-marks
23/01/2008, 2:12 PM
jebus

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Originally Posted by livehead1

Your problem appears to be that you cannot accept anyone's opinion but your own. Numerous posters on this board have made extremely valid and relevant points on this topic yet you have chosen to simply ignore them and continue to argue a side issue.

And those valid points that I haven't argued would be?

By the by The Sun has one of the highest readerships in Ireland, first or second if I remember correctly, the majority of which are males, and on an assumption, sports loving males, so they obviously found something in the Kermit the Frog nonsense that they enjoyed, so I don't think its as small a majority as you think
23/01/2008, 2:17 PM
jmurphyc

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Originally Posted by jebus

Not to the point that some of you think. They came third, albeit with a lower points total then should be expected, which is their natural level in a group including the Czechs and Germany, and I'm sure the players were taken back with the absolute **** that was spouted against Staunton in particular, and them all in general, by the media and the ordinary fan. Once again some of ye seem to think that if your country wants you then it's national duty to uphold the standards the fans set for you. It isn't, you don't pay their wages, they are there by choice, and so when they don't want to be they should be allowed leave without any fuss, or in the case of footballers like Finnan, to a round of applause, not to a bunch of 'I'm more Irish than you' lunacy for a bunch of no-marks

If I took the Ireland job and did an atrocious job (which is what Staunton did) then I would be expecting abuse. What about the **** that he spouted when he was in charge of the team and the **** that he spouted to a newspaper the other day? And anyway, what exactly did the ordinary fan do to Staunton that was so bad? The team got booed a few times, big WOW, this happens in football stadiums all over the world.
23/01/2008, 2:20 PM
jebus

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Originally Posted by jmurphyc

If I took the Ireland job and did an atrocious job (which is what Staunton did) then I would be expecting abuse. What about the **** that he spouted when he was in charge of the team and the **** that he spouted to a newspaper the other day? And anyway, what exactly did the ordinary fan do to Staunton that was so bad? The team got booed a few times, big WOW, this happens in football stadiums all over the world.

You'd expect to be portrayed as mentally retarded by Today FM? As a fictional frog by the Sun? As a national disgrace by people like you ringing into Joe Duffy etc.? You sir are a liar
23/01/2008, 2:28 PM
jmurphyc

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Originally Posted by jebus

You'd expect to be portrayed as mentally retarded by Today FM? As a fictional frog by the Sun? As a national disgrace by people like you ringing into Joe Duffy etc.? You sir are a liar

If I was taking the Ireland job then I would expect nothing else from the national tabloids. I suggest you go into a newsagents and have a look at the front page of the tabloids as what happened to Staunton is nothing new. Why are you blaming the ordinary fan for these things? Again, what exactly did the ordinary fan do to Staunton that was so bad?
23/01/2008, 2:30 PM
jebus

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Originally Posted by jmurphyc

If I was taking the Ireland job then I would expect nothing else from the national tabloids. I suggest you go into a newsagents and have a look at the front page of the tabloids as what happened to Staunton is nothing new. Why are you blaming the ordinary fan for these things? Again, what exactly did the ordinary fan do to Staunton that was so bad?

They verbally abused the guy from the stands, they bought the tabloids that sought to make his life a misery, and they tuned in to the show that made him seem mentally disabled. That and they talked endlessly about how much of a disgrace he is, both to each other and on the national airwaves, when he is anything but.
23/01/2008, 2:33 PM
Stuttgart88

Finnan says that type of personal criticism is too much. I agree.

I think it's sad that tabloid culture has taken hold in Ireland, not to mention the hypocrisy of the likes of The Mail having an Irish edition given their utter contempt for the Irish in the parent edition.

Not having tabloids used to be one of the best things about "old Ireland". The fans' outlook has changed. They've become spoilt and think Ireland is a good substitute for a Premiership team. Shame, though there are still great fans in among the support.
23/01/2008, 2:34 PM
jmurphyc

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Originally Posted by jebus

They verbally abused the guy from the stands, they bought the tabloids that sought to make his life a misery, and they tuned in to the show that made him seem mentally disabled. That and they talked endlessly about how much of a disgrace he is, both to each other and on the national airwaves, when he is anything but.

What verbal abuse? A few boos? Do you have proof that any of the people who go the games buy these tabloids or tune in to Joe Duffy or talk about him being a disgrace? Has someone on here called him disabled? You're starting to bore me...
23/01/2008, 2:36 PM
shanman2

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Originally Posted by jebus

Not to the point that some of you think. They came third, albeit with a lower points total then should be expected, which is their natural level in a group including the Czechs and Germany, and I'm sure the players were taken back with the absolute **** that was spouted against Staunton in particular, and them all in general, by the media and the ordinary fan. Once again some of ye seem to think that if your country wants you then it's national duty to uphold the standards the fans set for you. It isn't, you don't pay their wages, they are there by choice, and so when they don't want to be they should be allowed leave without any fuss, or in the case of footballers like Finnan, to a round of applause, not to a bunch of 'I'm more Irish than you' lunacy for a bunch of no-marks

This is what gets to me Jebus fans come on here with the opinin they are always right, the players are always wrong, Stan was on a hiding to nothing as soon as he got the job. John Delaney being the fault of that. Why would Steve Finnan, Steven Ireland etc want to play for Ireland when as soon as they play badly the fans will slate them.

Which one of the Irish players was it that said that is easier to stay in England and play for your club and fans that love you than come over here and be shot at by the media and slated by fans...

Steve Finnan will be 34 by the time the end of the next campaign, He felt that other lads could give Ireland more. I think he is right, he is suffering with injuries. I will always remember the cross for Jayo against holland. God knows it was one of the happiest days of my life. I respect Steves decision and wish him all the best. Thank you for holding your hand up and admitting it.
23/01/2008, 2:40 PM
Stuttgart88

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Originally Posted by shanman2

Which one of the Irish players was it that said that is easier to stay in England and play for your club and fans that love you than come over here and be shot at by the media and slated by fans...

Whoever it was needs to take a good look at himself.
23/01/2008, 2:40 PM
jebus

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Originally Posted by jmurphyc

What verbal abuse? A few boos? Do you have proof that any of the people who go the games buy these tabloids or tune in to Joe Duffy or talk about him being a disgrace? Has someone on here called him disabled? You're starting to bore me...

Heaven forbid I bore you, I know what high standards you have in the entertainment category and all. Come back with some proper logic champ, not the nonsense you just spewed there
23/01/2008, 2:44 PM
jmurphyc

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Originally Posted by jebus

Heaven forbid I bore you, I know what high standards you have in the entertainment category and all. Come back with some proper logic champ, not the nonsense you just spewed there

Again, what did the fans who attended the matches do that was so dreadful to Staunton and the players? You refuse to answer this question. I admit that the booing during the match irked me but I'd hardly call it horrible abuse.
23/01/2008, 2:46 PM
shanman2

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Originally Posted by jmurphyc

Again, what did the fans who attended the matches do that was so dreadful to Staunton and the players? You refuse to answer this question. I admit that the booing during the match irked me but I'd hardly call it horrible abuse.

Try have a good look through this thread....http://foot.ie/showthread.php?t=80806
23/01/2008, 2:47 PM
jebus

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Originally Posted by jmurphyc

Again, what did the fans who attended the matches do that was so dreadful to Staunton and the players? You refuse to answer this question. I admit that the booing during the match irked me but I'd hardly call it horrible abuse.

Booing and shouting insults at him on the touchline. What else do you want me to say for the UMPTEENTH time?
23/01/2008, 2:51 PM
jmurphyc

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Originally Posted by shanman2

Try have a good look through this thread....http://foot.ie/showthread.php?t=80806

I read that thread before. I can't seem to get past the first page at the moment but I've seen nothing so far that is really awful personal criticism. In fact a lot of people stick up for him.
23/01/2008, 2:57 PM
jmurphyc

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Originally Posted by jebus

Booing and shouting insults at him on the touchline. What else do you want me to say for the UMPTEENTH time?

I didn't hear any personal insults but there was undoubtedly booing. But you can hear people booing in practically every stadium in the world if the result doesn't go their teams way. I really don't think that's enough to slaughter the crowd for or for Finnan to retire. He can hear booing after most games at Anfield these days.
23/01/2008, 2:58 PM
Traps Cat

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Originally Posted by jebus

You'd expect to be portrayed as mentally retarded by Today FM? As a fictional frog by the Sun? As a national disgrace by people like you ringing into Joe Duffy etc.? You sir are a liar

"A Fictional Frog" - quote of the day!!
23/01/2008, 3:01 PM
boovidge

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Originally Posted by jmurphyc

I really don't think that's enough to slaughter the crowd for or for Finnan to retire. He can hear booing after most games at Anfield these days.

Yeah but i guess Finnan can plug his ear holes with the wads of cash he gets each game eh?
23/01/2008, 3:02 PM
Wolfie

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Originally Posted by jebus

a fictional frog ........

Yeah I keep hearing mention of this bloke "Gerard Houllier" but I'm beginning to doubt he exists at all.
23/01/2008, 3:32 PM
OneRedArmy

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Originally Posted by jebus

And those valid points that I haven't argued would be?

Your ridiculous assertion previously that EVERY Irish fan expected to qualify.
23/01/2008, 4:21 PM
Greenforever

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Originally Posted by Kingdom

This is the crux of the problem. If I was going to away games to be entertained, I wouldn't go. Also you don't need to take a week off work to support the team against Andorra. Quite a lot of people fly in and out in a day.
Thats not to say the fans should appluad atrociousness, but this shyte of I've paid my money, you better entertain me is nonsense.

When is Andora, San MArino? The shortest trip realistically for this was 2 days mid week as it was a night match with no chance of a return flight same day.
23/01/2008, 4:48 PM
shakermaker1982

heaven forbid and how dare us that we the fans expect our team to beat nations such as Cyprus home and away. I very much doubt that the majority of our fans demanded we qualify for Euro 2008 - we just didn't expect to be the laughing stock of international football on three occasions (Cyprus home and away, San Marino).
23/01/2008, 5:39 PM
jebus

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

Your ridiculous assertion previously that EVERY Irish fan expected to qualify.

They do, I've talked to every single one of them in the past week and thats what I've been told
23/01/2008, 6:37 PM
Wangball

Finnan & Staunton are yesterdays news....

Why can't we all just be friends??????????
23/01/2008, 7:03 PM
Colie

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Originally Posted by jebus

Fair play Finnan, validating my point about him not playing in his position being a big factor along the way. Irish fans are moaners, pure and simple, we're a small country who's average player level seems to be high Championship or low Premiership and yet they still expect qualification each and every time (and don't give me that ****e about Cyprus etc., you all expect to qualify for the next World Cup right). Plus some of the bile spewed at Finnan over on the Finnan retires thread proves beyond doubt that Irish fans have become more personal in their attacks on players. What the media were allowed to do to an Irish playing legend like Staunton was ridiculous, whatever his shortcomings were as manager

I agree 100% Jebus. Well put.

The fans have changed drastically. Even from the McCarthy/ Kerr campaign to the Cyprus game. If the whole squad told the fans, & consequently the international scene, to fuch off they'd be well within their rights. I said it after the last campaign & I'll say it again now; shame on you booboys.

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Originally Posted by jebus

People who say FACT at the end of sentences have less sex than the rest of us, TRUE

Brilliant

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