And I've always thought it would be a better sport if all players could handle the ball, not just the goalkeeper.Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
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And I've always thought it would be a better sport if all players could handle the ball, not just the goalkeeper.Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
And none of this 'hand ball' rule.Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
And we'll called the box a.... parallelogram! In geometry, a parallelogram is a quadrilateral with two sets of parallel sides. The opposite sides of a parallelogram are of equal length, and the opposite angles of a parallelogram are congruent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Schumi
:D
Also we could make the pitch so ridiculously big that it would not fit in our new stadium in Tallaght.... oh wait... :rolleyes:
there was I just about keeping up with this discussion and buller has to knock me out of the ball park your just like my wife using words i dont understandQuote:
Originally Posted by Buller
Ahaha, dont worry - I dont understand them either... Continue Discussion!Quote:
Originally Posted by passerrby
I think Sporting Fingal will be different to what was the meaningless Dublin City. They've got a spacific catchment area and are hoping to build a stadium with FCC's backing. I think they are a completely different prospect and worthy of a first division place. Very sad to hear Kilkenny resigning...
Possibly, but there are similarities in that they're an ego trip who seem to be quite happy to run up large costs without any solid basis for knowing what their income is going to be. In addition, they're a franchise team set up with no history and, regardless of how big your catchment area, in Dublin anyways, that just ain't going to work very well. If nothing else, recent eL history tells us that.
A good point well made and one which the more vocal members (ie Cork fans) of the "Too many Dublin Clubs" brigade often overlook.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Having said that if you gave me a choice between Morton Stadium and Buckley Park next year I know what I'd pick :o
And we'll call the goalkeeper ..... a custodian
(I always wanted to write a match report in the style of a gaa report...Williamson at top of the left evaded stalwart defender Doyle and progressed into the large parallelogram where he rifled the leather past Murphy the custodian and into the back of the onion bag.... I'm sure these terms were original once, but they are now hackneyed cliches)
One thing which troubles me somewhat.
How can a club which never existed 3 months or so ago (Fingal) be top of the IAG rankings ahead of established and trophy winning clubs such as Salthill Devon and Tullamore?
Something don't add up here
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Originally Posted by Titan
Bohs, Shelbourne, Bray, Shamrock Rovers, Sporting Fingal, St. Pats, UCD.
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Originally Posted by Réiteóir
Because they have PLANS.
Do you not remember what a load of ****** it was from the last time?
Also, this means that there's going to be one less team in the A League. How's that going to work? Is there another team going to come in and take Fingal's place (assuming they take the First Division spot, which I'm sure they will), or will we have one team less than originally planned and so (presumably) an odd number of teams in one league?
The first division in its current format has no future. This will not change by reducing Premier & adding two more to the 1st division.
Maybe the AIL will solve everything but time to think about a single maybe 16 team league. Surely clubs need at least average crowds of 500 to keep even a semi-pro side going?
I don't think Sporting Fingal is a good addition as they just replacing Home Farm. Extra Dublin clubs bring nothing to the league as they just recycle the same players. Would be better to have 9 teams in 1st division
I can't believe that people are suggesting a return to the days of an expanded single 16-or-so team Premier Division, a la the Famous Fried Chicken League days !! :eek: This is insanity of the highest order !!Quote:
Originally Posted by amjl
There is a reason why pretty much every league in Europe has the same model we do. Even those slow learners in the Irish League...
Absolute insanity.
dont the premiership have 22 teams .Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
More importantly - it's not Sporting Fingal's (henceforth 'Spouting Fungus) money that will be spent on this project. It will be extremely diffiuclt for a new team like them to be able to finance a serious footballing challenge (as they claim they want to do) purely on matchday revenues and sponsorship.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
That leaves the conclusion that Fingal allegedly-a-County Council (FaaCC) will have to put money into the club. That presents 2 serious dangers, both based on the fact Spouting Fungus will be spending other people's money :
1) THE BOOM
As a certain part of their funds will be 'not their money', there is a danger that Spouting Fungus won't feel the need to be as frugal, or even sensible, with their expenditures as they might otherwise be. It's a vanity project for a local authority, that has openely stated its ambitions to be successful. That can only be achieved by securing decent players. Whenever Fungus wants more money to do this, the club need merely refer to the 'vision' and massage the egos of those involved at FaaCC, and hey presto - increased budget (with the Council doubtless claiming they are 'investing in sport', rather than blowing it on senior player wages).
2) THE BUST
As Spouting Fungus will rely at least to some degree upon 'public' money - with a degree of accountability behind it (albit with a serious time-lag, based on elections) - there is a danger that the rug could be completely pulled from underneath Funguis's feet at any point. Opposition parties could easily point to a paucity of youth and sporting activities in their area, and make a direct connection with the money being 'wasted' on a small number of sports-people's wages/training/facilities in a vanity project for the ruling party/Council Officers. Even if this didn't happen, Council budgets can change dramatically on a year-to-year basis as priorities shift (and as more pressing needs develop financial black holes that need filling). This is the recipe for the 'bust' in the boom-and-bust scenario for Fungus.
None of the above may happen, but I have a very, very uneasy feeling about Spouting Fungus. Their public proclamations that they will be radically different than anything else, ever, honest, is casue enough for concern in my books. We've heard it numerous times before, but never seen it delivered. If they do plan to be different, just get on and do it and let the difference talk for itself...
And 72 senior teams below that.Quote:
Originally Posted by passerrby
Followed by at least 6 further directly-linked levels in the pyramid below those.
What's your point ? :confused:
As far as I know, No, Letterkenny did not apply.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by L37Ultra
Why not include Drogheda then?
I don't think its necessarily a bad thing adding another Dub team but I'd expect them to struggle to establish themselves and recruit a following.
I mean the thing with Seery is why did he start afresh and not build on Home Farms considerable legacy or merely plough his money into Shels, Bohs, Pats or Rovers? Did DCFC put considerable money into the off-pitch infrastructure?
I have to laugh at people calling for the First Division to just go !! :)
What in the name of jaysus do you think will happen!! You need a pool there below the premier. You need to have 10 or so teams fighting it out and the ones that do well get promoted and in theory at least make the Premier stronger.
If you get rid of that buffer you will have serious problems. It's not as simple as getting rid of the First and therefore all the money and supporters will switch to the Premier teams.
Madness..
Anyway what would be the difference calling the First Division the A league. Do you want no feeder league ???
As for it not making sense financially, Well! it's not like all Premier teams are rolling in cash either is it. As a Shelbourne fan I can see exactly what the First division has to offer. It's a place where you can survive with little or no money to be honest. It's easier to get your house in order and build some structure.
As for the Dublin clubs. If teams can be sustained in the league and are based in Dublin then so what exactly ?? It would be great to have teams in all major towns and cities but that's something the FAI will have to work on on a very long term basis.
To be honest the problems at Kilkenny seem to be that nobody wanted to continue with things. It seemed to revolve around two people for the most part and due to circumstances they can't continue with it.
If there were a few Kilkenny fans really interested in keeping it going, it seems to me that it would be possible.
Why did Dublin City get bashed for having 100-200 fans yet Kilkenny who offer up about 30 or 40 are different ?
So you're from Dublin.Quote:
As for the Dublin clubs. If teams can be sustained in the league and are based in Dublin then so what exactly ??
No one likes you.
OK, the Dublin team country team thing. Higgo is right in pointing out that Sporting Fingal probably will garner greater attendances than Kilkenny City - even if it's just wives,family and confused country folk who took a wrong turn on the way to Dalymount or Tolka.:) The greater picture cries out for teams spread across the country such as Tullamore, Kilkenny etc. Unfortunately the reality is that most of these clubs seem to be a sneeze away from collapse most of the time owing to a deep lack of interest locally.
Team X - local side, successful in provincial terms, strong local support, makes the step up to A Championship or 1st Division. After a while they realise that their pool of local talent is insufficient to sustain them - they are strugglingat the higher level. Bring in a few Dubs to improve things. Locals get p'd off at the 'big-time' players coming in and lose interest.
Still there must be a pyramid system however formatted; a league without relegation is a non-entity; relegation battles are just as intriguing as title chases - without the quality.
To be honest, I've never read a match report specific to GAA in this style. Perhaps broadcasters of yesteryear were, but maybe I'm not old enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by monutdfc
Some of the soccer writers in this country don't have an original thought in their heads either, it seems and are as guilty as anybody for god awful phases like 'custodian'. I dabble in the media underworld myself and it really ****es me off.
Like the word 'hugely'. Has anyone ever used that word in everyday speak? But it's newspaper fodder - hugely impressive, hugely important etc
I'm, ranting, sorry.
But the problem is that they can't be sustained. Home Farm, St James' Gate, Shelbourne, St Francis and Dublin City have all shown us this.Quote:
Originally Posted by higgins
Because Kilkenny City at least knew their place and didn't try to spend hundreds of thousands they didn't have while spouting nonsense about some grandiose vision of playing in Croker in the Champions' League.Quote:
Originally Posted by higgins
Also, Kilkenny City and Dublin City had about the same fan base.
The thing is, he did initally with Home Farm Fingal which had the exact same aim of building a Fingal identity as this new club, only with the added history of HF. It didn't even have the limited short-term success that Dublin City did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Risteard
The only thing different that I can see is that SF has the backing of Fingal CC who didn't want to get left behind after South Dublin CC's move into football.
There is something fishy about this and if our media wasn't so obsessed with the senior international team, I'm sure there is scope to do a bit of digging and raise some important questions to the FAI. Daniel McDonnell and Emmet Malone are the only two who might have the inclination to do so but would such an article even get published?
Its more to do with certain Fingal councillors and their aim to create a completely seperate county :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry The Saint
Do I ever use the word ? Yes - hugely....! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Rocky77
Since when did Continuity Home Farm have that many home fans....!?!? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by higgins
asked fran gavin that question pineapple stu he sais that there is nobody to replace them as it has got past the cut off period..Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Do we really need another Dublin team in the league! And I say that honestly. Surely we should be trying to incorporate other areas of the country much like when Wexford Youths joined! I dont really see the point of sporting Fingal it might just be another Dublin City. In any case very sad about Kilkenny but like Longford if the locals cant get out to support the team you run the risk of this happeneing. LEts just hope another club doesnt fall by the wayside. And also to finish up surely the fai could in some capacity help a struggling club like kilkenny. It wouldnt do any harm to their coffers to subdidise them for a year I mean they cant be running off that high a wage bill. Debts may have been the real issue but at least it would be a start. But as usual the Fai let football in this country down.:(:(:(
The people of the country let football down. They had a team in Kilkenny and no one cared enough to go to the games. And no one cared enough to set up a club anywhere elseQuote:
Originally Posted by Sonic
Er!! Yes you can get a Dublin Bus to Drogheda. Number 101.Quote:
Originally Posted by ndrog
Thats a bus eirinn busQuote:
Originally Posted by onceahoop
Is there a bus to Newbridge? Pretty sure there's one to Celbridge anyways.
You'll find that there are a few hundred other football clubs in the country, Dodge, just not ones being pushed onwards by a madcap "county council". As for the name... well, at least Youths was somewhat original. This crowd appear to have looked up wikipedia for clubs ending in -AL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Does the league need another Dublin Club ? NoQuote:
Originally Posted by Sonic
Are there any non-Dublin clubs of the appropriate licensing standard ready and willing to step-up to the senior plate at this extremely short notice ? It doesn't appear so.
Having Spouting Fungus is therefore marginally better than having no replacement for Kilkenny City at all (and the fixture farce that would create). Hence why we are where we are.
I don't think Fingal County Council are allowed under law to fund a football club as regards its daily expenses. What they can do is provide land for a stadium and training facilities. The main backer Gannon, is the guy who bankrolls Malahide United. I think the main area SP are trying to tap into for support is Swords, where there is no league club. Whether they achieve this is another thing.
Just out of interest are Kilkenny going out of football completely or will they compete in the LSL or junior football.
bohs, rovers, pats, shels, ucd, bray, drogheda, kildare and now sporting fingal!
the all dublin league is not far away.
bloody disgrace replacing kilkenny with another dublin club,
a team from tipp or kerry should have been offered the place.
Despite the fact that they didn't meet the IAG requirements?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Man Himself
agreed with the setiiments but if no club from them areas applies there is nothing can be doneQuote:
Originally Posted by The Man Himself
it appears that kilkenny will field a team in the u-20 league and rebiuld from there.good luck to them