With 2 reps from each club in the same place at the same time would it not be a good idea to get together and form an NLSA type organization, one that's not just a give us tickets or else type group
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With 2 reps from each club in the same place at the same time would it not be a good idea to get together and form an NLSA type organization, one that's not just a give us tickets or else type group
The FAI should be reminded that there are 22 clubs in the Eircom League and NOT just those playing in the Premier Division.
If they had taken this view at the start of last season then Kilkenny, Limerick 37 etc mightn't be in the precarious situation they find themselves in.
I'm talking about CPO's in ALL clubs not just the "elite".
The lower clubs, on much less income, need this assistance more than the successful ones. Whilst this imbalance remains the gulf between the Premier and the First Divisions widens and we all know what happens then.
Does the FAI plan to establish a fixed date for the Cup Final in future (e.g. one week after end of the season/ Bank Holiday weekend etc.) rather than last year's ad hoc scheduling?
Given a fair number of people attending were involved with NLSA, I doubt there will be sufficient interest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Block G Raptor
All, the sham that takes place in City west ( The FAI awards) where the shakers and movers rub shoulders with the rest of us. The FAI proudly state that they are involved in all levels of our society. I also understand we are just 1 strand in this large organization, my question is, How many people at the awards attend EL Games, how many people at the awards have ever been inside a National League ground, if, as is claimed that a large cross section of society will be there. I would guess that 50% of those attending have never been inside an LOI ground. What can the FAI do about this?
Hold the next one in the club house in Monaghan?Quote:
Originally Posted by Karl Phillips
AFAIK the clubs pay the wages of the CPO. How are the likes of Kilkenny, Limerick, Atlhone, similar 1st Division clubs suppose to do this and "Promote the Club", if some of us sometimes struggle to pay players, debtors, etc., let alone pay wages for a CPO!Quote:
Originally Posted by sniffa
Surely if the FAI were trying to promote all 22 clubs in the eircom League They'd foot the bill or subsidise this as it would be in the leagues long term best interests.
All clubs clearly need to be promoted better locally & as all the clubs in the 1st Division get zero national coverage, especailly struggling clubs in the bottom half of the table, its like we dont even exist.
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Originally Posted by amjl
The FAI give a grant of €15k towords the wage and the club then has to match this
we will if you want host the first ever supporters convention and dinner over a weekend in the summer which can finish with a match between the supporters of the first div verses the premier all proceeds to charity, anybody up for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maribor
Sounds like a plan if people really want it...
1. Waste of money!Quote:
Originally Posted by Block G Raptor
2. Very good idea.
3. Don't be silly. Who wants to listen to someone thats attacking them.
Also, surely a full time youth academy for th eleague and country to keep our U-14 to U-18 internationals at home until ready for 1st team action in the UK.
:)
Military Intelligence...? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by finnpark
Steve Staunton obviously enjoyed it as will Vennanoballs as you know your pay day is close ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
That is a good idea. Something more should be done in this area with progressing young players at that age.Quote:
Originally Posted by finnpark
Sent an e-mail to Noel Mooney a while ago offering myself and Steno to attend for KCFC. Alas, after two e-mails, and still no reply, I had assumed that some people had already arranged to attend.Quote:
Originally Posted by A face
Hope it goes well for those attending tomorrow. Perhaps somebody could draw light to the lack of assistance that D1 clubs get. :ball:
will someone ask the league director in light of his press statement about kilkenny who he believes are not worthy of membership and is he going to sit and wait for them to go to the wall or will he help them (go to the wall)
Yes, please ask that one for me too (I cannot attend, as I am at a wedding).
His quote is:
"Fran Gavin
I have no doubt that other clubs will arrive at the same crossroads as Kilkenny and face the same questions and I hope they answer them as honestly as Kilkenny have."
For the Director of the League to come out with a statement like that is unbelievable. (Thinking it is one thing, saying it is another.)
Any news on how this went ?
There's a post on our forum from Fintan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Block G Raptor
I think it went well. Fran Gavin, Noel Mooney & Padraig Smith spoke, about 35 fans turned up. FAI offices so far from the road no chance of a Maxi attack again ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Block G Raptor
I supported the FAI running the league last year mainly because it could not be worse than league running itself & seems to be a lot going on in the background.
i was at the meeting too. we were brought on a guided tour of the fai hq. we were shown a presentation dvd of last season,rtes presentation for the eircom league bid plus irelands bid for uefa cup final 2001. the three lads are passionate about the eircom league (fran gavin ex pats player, noel mooney(ex shams goalie) and padraig smith(drogs fan).
for the first time ever I am fully 100% behind the lads. they came across very well and had time for everyone that was there. we were told that if you need any assistance in any way, to give the lads a shout or an email.
they explained everything from the particaption aggreement, uefa licence every document rel to the eircom league was explained well.
I can appreciate a lot better how the different depts in the fai are run now.. It looks like this could be one of the first of many forums...
overall I thought it was successful.
i emailed Noel + FAI about 6 weeks ago and they never got back to me! :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinho II
I saw Gary kelly and Alan Kearns at it. Its a bit strange as one of our lads wasnt originally invited but he wrote in a letter to the fai with his prosposals for the eircom league and he got a phonecall yesterday and got invited...
And all it took was one free T-shirt.........;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinho II
in actual fact maribor I have got two...;)
Noel Mooney in particular came across as very passionate for the league. Looks like he is doing great job & promotion will be better this year.
Re: 65% Wage Cap.
Even if he is a Drogs fan Smith came across like he has his eye on the ball & have learnt from FA in England & others.
Clubs need to stay below 55% during the league otherwise the league gets involved.
If over 65% on full season can be stripped of prize money & removed from Europe.
Re: TV
RTE pitch for TV rights included lots of clips of the LOI. Whether that opportunism playing to its audience or genuine interest remains to be seen.
It has been clear for some time that the FAI have been scratching the governments back & Abbotstown part of that. It is also paying off in terms of grants etc...
Is it true that the season openers are derby matches again, exact same fixtures except for the change in clubs that got promoted/relegated?
No it's not.
The Derby theme of last year isn't been continued this year,after speaking to Fran gavin afterwards.The fixtures will be out this week.
Terry i will give a summary of the meeting at our AGM Tuesday week.
Would have to agree 100% that Noel Mooney and Fran Gavin are doing an excellent job.Very committed to the cause.
Sounds like they're not going to be easing up on fines though:mad:
Here here as they sayQuote:
Originally Posted by sligoman
Did smith say he was a drogs fan or what ?Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
Fran Gavin outed him :pQuote:
Originally Posted by ndrog
wasnt him that said it but fran gavin!!
And his tie had flecks of claret and blue :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinho II
I suppose what is needed from the FAI (EL) is a bombardment of information of which they're can never be enough. Most of the posts here wouldnt be posted if there was enough information about. It was excellent to see/hear everything that went on during Saturday. After reading some posts I'll try give feedback on each based on what was said.
+ Lack of Assistance (in terms of CPOs) to EL Division 1 Clubs
In terms of CPO's some clubs dont have the structures in place to support having one. The FAI want to be sure that a CPO is put in place to just do that job and to not get dragged into other facets of the club which has happened apparently. The long and short of it is that if any club wants a CPO then they must ask for it and the FAI will support it. 15k is paid by FAI with club making up other half. Some clubs dont want to invest 15k in the CPO which is a shame as an effective CPO will bring back more than that.
Government Funding
The EL league has outstanding issues with Revenue. This is being worked on by the FAI and are making significant progress. The Revenue have stated that once they get back what their owed, and effectively improve the leagues credit rating, then talks can begin on introducing incentives for EL clubs.
Kilkenny's Demise
This was the decision of Kilkenny football club and nobody else. The FAI talked over all the options with them but the club said they couldnt commit to the level needed to compete in the EL. The plan is for Kilkenny (if they accept) to play in the U20 league, try to rebuild and apply for re-entry at a later date. A shame as Kilkenny are fantastically run and have a smashing ground there.
Fines
The FAI have nothing to do with the fines. There is an independant body who deal with issuing fines based on the report back from matches. Having an independant body is UEFA/FIFA template. They decide the fines and the FAI dont have a say in it. They agree with that certain issues are a bit non-sensical but the structure in place prevents them overruling any decision. Only 5 fines were actually paid last year - I can only assume the rest were appealed, I dont know. I thought myself that having an independant body is too far detached from the league and they wouldnt understand the EL league but it's a UEFA template so it must be a workable model.
Fixtures
I thought this was straight forward but there are a shocking amount of variables involved, including clubs not wanting to clash home games with local events in the calendar. It seems a tough job as they are trying to keep everyone happy.
FAI Cup
This will be the first time the FAI (EL) run the competition. They are looking to build it up and make the final a real showpiece. The final will be 2 weeks after the EL - i think this will be the same each year. Interesting to note thomond park a possible contender to host the final.
Overall I am 100% behind the new set-up. Noel Mooney and co and top people for the job of improving the league. I would say they should release piles more information as I feel it would help promote their own work and help people be less criticial (which is understandble too given info available; i've always been critical myself) Their resources seemed stretched and they are learning themselves. This is the best model the league has ever had and hopefully we will all back it to success.
Anyway I hope this gives people some more information about whats happening !!
Sounds like passing the buck IMOQuote:
Originally Posted by garykelly
LOL! Any chance they could reveal who these disciples of Solomon are and then let us judge their independence or otherwise?Quote:
Originally Posted by garykelly
Isn't it nice that this independent body will fine anyone who criticises the FAI? How very noble of them, sticking up for the honour of an organisation that they have no connection to whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheridan
Any reason given for the two week gap to the mid-December cup final:confused: Is it so they can be more like the Super Bowl and give the players a bye week to prepare for the big game?
Fair enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Block G Raptor
I don't think people who would there saw it that way,
There was acceptance on behalf on Gavin and Mooney that there are things they haven't got right.
No I'll take word for it, that was just an impression i got from reading the quoted parts of the postQuote:
Originally Posted by Maribor