i wasnt talking about neil lennon , i was saying that if i was IFA eligible and was brought up supporting ROI then the IFA's efforts to stop me playing for the ROI would not be conducive to convincing me to throw in my lot with NI.
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i wasnt talking about neil lennon , i was saying that if i was IFA eligible and was brought up supporting ROI then the IFA's efforts to stop me playing for the ROI would not be conducive to convincing me to throw in my lot with NI.
monaghan would be a great spot for one i reckon...Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
or Muff.... :p
FAI to set up a Muff Development Centre. Classic!Quote:
Originally Posted by RogerMilla
When certain people can't even bring themselves to get our name right, but persist in typing e.g "the North" or "Six Counties", when a simple NI would suffice, there remains a distinct lack of respect. Or when people persist with e.g. the notion that the present NI team's superior ranking over the ROI is some sort of illusionary or freak aberration, rather than a reflection of the simple fact that we currently have a better team.Quote:
Originally Posted by RogerMilla
Indeed, it is this lack of respect which lies behind the simplistic notion "Why can't there be an all-Ireland team?" which underlies so much of the debate, with the unspoken assumption that it would follow the absorption of the IFA into the FAI, with games played in Dublin, by teams comprising 10 Southerners and "maybe David Healy". People need to appreciate that any united [sic] team which ever comes about will never happen if it is merely the continuation of your team strengthened to a degree, with our team being abolished just to accommodate this.
If people of whatever political persuasion, from any part of Ireland, are eligible under FIFA's Rules to opt for the FAI, then I (and the IFA) say "Good Luck" to them, since even if they are also eligible for NI, there is nothing to be gained by our trying to press-gang unwilling recruits to the cause.Quote:
Originally Posted by RogerMilla
However, that is not what our Association is currently challenging. Rather, we are concerned that certain players who are undoubtedly eligible to represent NI are, for whatever reason, opting to represent another Association for whom they may not be eligible under the Rules.
No Association is ever going to stand idly by and see its player pool diminished in this way, especially one with so few players to draw upon in the first place.
The fact that it is the FAI, rather than, say, the English FA or any other, to whom we risk losing players is immaterial. If you were still around in 60 years time, and found that e.g. the Polish or Lithuanian FA was selecting 3rd Generation Irish youngsters with the relevant ancestry, but without the requisite "connection" under FIFA Rules, would you stand idly by? Would you b ollox!
* - Interesting use of the word "most", RM ;)
Would that be the same Neil Lennon who earlier this year sent a specially taped message to the IFA commending it for the work it is doing through "Football For All"? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by eekers
Anyway, why stop at Lennon? Why not Cromwell, or the Plantation of Ulster, or Strongbow? I'm sure they're all to blame in some way or another...:eek:
Thank you for that constructive and illuminating contribution to the debate, one of your best efforts yet... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
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Originally Posted by EalingGreen
lack of respect in footballing terms but not in respect of your right to exist, we should be doing much better than you , hopefully a new manager will revitalise us.
I can understand your problem with the "Six Counties", but what's your problem with "the North"? It's much the same as us being called "the Republic" or "the South" which are both widely used. It's like saying the UK instead of the United Kingdom. Nitpicking as per usual.Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
Likewise if an association is not hindered by FIFA from picking players from outside its states legal jurisdiction then it would be in dereliction of its duty to create as big a player pool as possible if it did not pick those players.Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
I said most because it's most , if i said all or few I would be a liar.Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
We are going round in circles here, sooner FIFA clear this up the better. Cue a couple of hundred posts from you railing at the injustice of it all and then we will all be able to move on ;)
as evidenced by Emmet Malone's recent articles in the Irish Times about the All-Ireland League talks.Quote:
Originally Posted by jmurphyc
The "South" or "Southern" is plain daft whereas "The North" is just a simple harmless abbreviation. Just because one part of the island is "Northern" doesn't by default suggest that the rest is "Southern" or even "southern".
For what it's worth I thought Delaney's comment was needlessly antagonistic.
Diarmuid McMurrough surely!Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
I agree, I was just saying what it is sometimes called to counter the argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Nobody denies that there are people in NI whose affinity lies with the ROI team. And no reasonable person would deny them the right to represent that team, assuming they are eligible. Further, nobody seriously believes that if someone is dead set on representing ROI (perhaps due to their upbringing, as you say), and they are denied the chance as a result of the IFA insisting that FIFA's Rules are adhered to, that they will then somehow be disposed to forgetting their former allegiance and throwing their hand in with NI. That would be just silly.Quote:
Originally Posted by RogerMilla
Rather, the IFA's concern is actually for three other categories of player.
1. Those like e.g Gerry Armstrong or Pat Jennings who, given a free choice, might prefer ROI over NI, but when that choice is not open to them, happily play for NI, with great distinction and total commitment;
2. Those footballers who don't actually have any political leanings whatsoever (they do exist, you know!) Instead, they are just normal teenagers who live to play football all day and all night. Given an entirely free choice, at least some of those will opt for ROI over NI. Which, I repeat, is entirely fair enough if they are eligible under the Rules, but is not a choice open to footballers from other parts of the world if they are not, as well as being particularly unfair on NI, since we don't get a comparable choice from your "non-committals";
3. Those individuals who might choose the ROI for less than honourable motives e.g. they had a "falling-out" with someone in the IFA, or are being urged to do so by outside influences with less ethical motives (e.g. Agents, politicians etc), or see that there might be more money in it, or indeed like Alex Bruce, merely opt for what they see as the "better" team. All of such motives might be understandable for switching clubs, but they should have no place in determining which country one plays for (imo).
In political or other situations, I don't care what you call yourselves/us!Quote:
Originally Posted by jmurphyc
But in footballing terms, the names of the two teams are "Northern Ireland" and "Republic of Ireland", with "NI" and "ROI" being by far the quickest form to type that will avoid misunderstanding. Those who consistently avoid such abbreviations by substituting some other wordier construction are actually the ones who are being petty (imo), if not slightly insulting, since it denies us due recognition. If the regulars in your local bar consistently called you by the wrong name, would you not be a bit peeved too?
Anyhow, I imagine that there are people in Donegal etc who might take exception to "the North", never mind us! ;)
No argument, there.Quote:
Originally Posted by RogerMilla
yup , they're the fellas we want alright !! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
I will accept whatever FIFA finally decides and (assuming this leaves no room for appeal) will get on with it. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by RogerMilla
Can you see better now why we're a tad concerned about this? Just because we dont want or need any of your lot...;)Quote:
Originally Posted by RogerMilla
I wonder how people get about with their daily lives in Meath and Westmeath.
theres a few you can have , go on , go on...Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
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Originally Posted by EalingGreen
first of all...no player should have to endure sectarian abuse by horribe orcs.
I wouldnt to it the justice of calling it N.I as it is Ireland, and is under political partition.
You contradict yourself aswell...You say ye have a better team but then go on to say that only david healy would get into an amalgamated team...
if ye are so greeeeat how come you only finished 5th in your group, we finished 3rd?
'god save our queen, why are ye the only home nation to play this at football
Perhaps the North's football fans should stop singing 'Ulster till i die' :eek: & 'Stand up for the Ulstermen', as the residents of Cavan, Donegal & Monaghan are offended by the misuse of the province's name and feel the fans are being petty if not slightly insulting to them. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
That's not what he said.Quote:
Originally Posted by citizenerased
He said he thinks N.I. are the better team, but when us southies discuss a "United Ireland" team, we usually say only Healy might have a chance of being in the team.
EalingGreen, I'm pretty sure I've seen you refer to ROI as "the south" on this website a few times. (I may be mistaken, I admit)
Would be that be a subconscious slip of the tongue/finger and imply your lack or respect for us, as you feel the use of "the north" does?
eh , england ??Quote:
Originally Posted by citizenerased
dont be smart roger ya know what i meant...orcs
As this thread has as its subject a 40 minutes interview and not the utterance of two words, does one know more about the academy Delaney talks about? Is it for the best young clubless talents in the four provinces or will it be for Dublin based players only? What age group are they looking at? etc, etc ....
Agreed. Then again, it doesn't happen these days, as anyone who actually goes to games can testify.Quote:
Originally Posted by citizenerased
File under "Mope"Quote:
Originally Posted by citizenerased
Nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by citizenerased
Finished 3rd, in a stronger Group, and with more points (20). Which perhaps accounts for why we were still in with a chance, however slim, of Qualifying going into the last round of matches. Whereas ROI were out of it with 3 games still to play. (I say "3" as a kindness)Quote:
Originally Posted by citizenerased
We're not. Nonetheless, I personally wish it were replaced, so perhaps you should take it up with someone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by citizenerased
But hey, no rush - finish drinking your lunch first...:rolleyes:
What harm has Healy ever done you to deserve such a fate? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
Possible, I suppose (though I don't intend wasting any time in checking and suggest you don't, either)Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
Anyhow, if I have, I can always plead advanced age and decrepitude in mitigation, whereas I doubt Delaney has ever let slip an unguarded public utterance in his life, at least within earshot of a journalist! :)
Alternative thinking - Canavan was a great GAA player and would get a lot of publicity down here. Its possible that Delaney doesn't follow GAA too well and mightn't be aware of where he comes from. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
Apologies to everyone for my drawing attention in the first place to Delaney mentioning Canavan.
EalingGreen is like advertising in the Simpsons... Ignore him and he'll go away.Quote:
Originally Posted by janeymac
WUMming of the highest standard. I salute his wummery.
There is nothing to apologise for. This is the Ireland forum, we are quite entitled to lighthearted slag Delaney or discuss his interview with impunity. The only problem here is that it attracts the troll who clings like a barnacle after spending ages going through threads of no interest to him, only to highlight some obscure reference that is perceived as a threat to his sporting/cultural or political existance.Quote:
Originally Posted by janeymac
Here he is before setting off on his stow-away escapade, an earnest grapple with the slippery mossy anchor line on the hull of L.E. IRELAND. Alas his hopes will be scuttled when said vessel forms a flotilla with its sister ship, squishing the doty lil' fellar between the two.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir