Would you say they like to play a long ball game? I think Mourinho really focuses on passing while Celtic played some great stuff under O'Neill.
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Would you say they like to play a long ball game? I think Mourinho really focuses on passing while Celtic played some great stuff under O'Neill.
Not strictly speaking, but neither would have had as much success without a big forward like Drogba or Sutton.
Both were very heavily dependent on set pieces: Chelsea won so many tight games from frees and corners and almost all Celtic CL goals in MON's first season were from Thompson frees or corners iirc.
During Mourinho's first season in charge at Chelsea I stuck up a piece here comparing Mourinho to O'Neill. Obviously not carbon copies of each other but lots of points in common. Mourinho's style changed a bit after 2005 as well.
Here's the thread: http://foot.ie/showthread.php?t=2130...ight=o%27neill
I still think it rings true.
id agree with that, both managers love the route one, tenacious football, any celtic fan will tell you celtic are alot better to watch under strachan..mourinho is another one trick pony...i hope he is the next england manager!!
Or Heskey. You know, that guy O'Neill managed at Leicester.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
I highly recommend that interview to everyone - very good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Armando
Fair points but I put Mourinho as a similar style to Kerr and Strachan tbh, with a bit more charisma. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
We should be looking for a top class candidate for the position. It's the biggest job in Irish football and international jobs carry a prestige beyond their salaries.
The people we should be looking at are:- Jose Mourinho ( if you don't ask him you'll never know) Fabio Capello, Marcello Lippi, Roy Hodgson . Any one of those four would be a very credible candidate with the players and anyone of them is the calibre of candidate we should be seeking. No disrespect to Paul Jewell intended but that's what is needed at this level.
Dunno if anyone's noticed or mentioned it but that UEFA interview with Hodgson was conducted by Andy Roxborough who, if the papers are to be believed, is on of the FAI 'Kingmakers'. Am I right in thinking they've done some work together for UEFA. COuld be a positive if Roxborough is involved, fingers crossed.
I think Roxborough is involved with the UEFA Technical Comittee, I'm not sure exactly what they do, but I remember during the Youth Championships in the UAE they picked the team of the tournament, which included Stephen Elliott on the benchQuote:
Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er
I wasn't aware they'd gone to Roxburgh.
He, Hodgson and Houllier are part of an inner circle of technical / academic type coaches in UEFA's ranks I think.
Edit: sorry, Tets beat me to it and was more accurate - as usual!
He's been mentioned in the tabloids so it's more then likely bullsh1t. Would be a nice contact though, surely he'd see through Venables bluster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Here's the UEFA Technical Committee's page on uefa.com: http://www.uefa.com/uefa/aboutuefa/c...ttee=1024.html
Complete and utter delusion! We are around 35th in the World. That show's we are Shi*e. I would love Hodgson but failing that it will be someone around the Paul Jewell mark which would be about what we can expect.Quote:
Originally Posted by CollegeTillIDie
We have just had Steven Staunton, whoever we get can surely not be as bad.
Andy Roxburgh´s name isn´t on the Technical Development Committee,
Maybe Technical Director role is something higher
This is a great thread. Hodgson would be perfect choice. Heaps of international experience and getting the best out of mediocre teams (Finland, Switzerland). Lets face it Ireland are in this bracket.
Plus managed in the Premiership so knows the league and thus our pool of players very well (though, correct me if im wrong, didnt he sign Kevin Davies for Blackburn for a club record fee and he only scored 1 goal! Sure we all make mistakes!)
I want Hodgson as manager but it has to be pointed out that he is still hated at Bristol City from his stint as manager there. And he was not a fans favourite at Blackburn rovers.
Most of the candidates being mentioned have some kind of blemish on their CV. As far as I can recall at international level he has consistanly done the business, which is what really matters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar
A Italian mate in work is a big Inter fan. He says the only error Hodgson made at Inter was selling Roberto Carlos to Real, thinking he wasn't good enough for Italian football.
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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
i'd see that as a plus point! never rated Roberto Carlos meself to be honest.
Imagine what he thinks of Ian Harte then! :p
Qualified them for Europe in his only full season there after them avoiding the drop by 2 points the year before. Had a bad start the following season and got sacked in November. They'd have stayed up that year had he not been sacked and brought Brian Kidd in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar
Blackburn fans had ideas above their station back then, he didn't have money to spend like his Dalglish et al, he actually made them a net profit of £7m that season. Spent a bit the following season on Dailly and then Blake but it was Kidd who blew the last of their fortune and brought them down.
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Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar
Who cares what Bristol or Blackburn fans think?
blackburn had an injury crisis at the start of his second season. then you had players like tim sherwood stirring us crap because he wasnt allowed to move to a london club.
look at the team he had left at the time he was sacked
Filan; Kenna, Henchoz, Peacock (Davies, 72), Croft (Marcolin, 53); Johnson, Sherwood, Dailly, Duff; Gallacher, Blake. Substitutes not used: Wilcox, Broomes, Fettis (gk)
blackburn definately had ideas above their station at the time
i am more than convinced now that Hodgson is the best realistic candadate.
Is he goin to the WC draw in south Africa? maybe the FAI could drag him into a side room and make him an offer
are the fai going to south africa on sunday?
bit of a waste of cash
its only a draw like
I would be astonished if noboby from the FAI went to the draw, free trip , the words rat up a drainpipe springs to mindQuote:
Originally Posted by eekers
I posted a queston on the Blackburn board to find out what they thought about Hodgson. Almost all positive.
http://boards.rovers.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=13815
I would am really starting to lean towards Hodgson. No one really seems to have a bad word to say about him. And he ticks all the boxes. I am still keen on Jewell but one would be as good as the other. Both excellent choices imo
for what its worth he's come in from 18-1 to 14-1 today
Bi piece from Daniel McDonnell in the Indo today deriding Venables and backing Hodgson for anyone interested. At last, a dissenting voice!
El Tel
By Daniel McDonnell
Friday November 23 2007
Never has it seemed more appropriate to pluck out that old saying about England sneezing and Ireland catching a cold. These are ripe times for infection.
It's rare that the failure of the English national side could have such a knock on effect for those on this side of the pond. Normally, the tragi-comic collapse of our neighbours provides a certain amount of comfort in the summers where we have become accustomed to watching major championships from afar.
Perhaps it's an immature kind of pleasure but then it's hard not to smile at the reaction to what unfolded on Wednesday night when you consider that the BBC's three wise men of Hansen, Wright and Shearer all predicted facile victories for McClaren's band of brothers.
When Hansen had the temerity to suggest that it may not quite be a stroll in the park for the Wembley hosts, Wright even scolded him for taking a trip to 'negative town'. With such brazen and misplaced confidence, the subsequent capitulation became devilishly enjoyable.
Worrying
What is worrying, however, is that there were Irish people celebrating England's demise for a very different reason. For them, the silver lining of a European Championships without England is that it smoothes the way for Terry Venables to become the man to replace Steve Staunton.
It's remarkable really. While people revel in the inexplicable failure of an English side to qualify for the first time since the disastrous reign of Graham Taylor, there is a willingness to take a key component of that management staff and thrust him with the responsibility of leading Ireland forward.
If the common consensus is that we need a leader to bring the best out of the players we have and possibly look for them to perform beyond their abilities to make it to South Africa in 2010, then it makes little sense to turn to someone who was a member of a set-up that has somehow succeeded in bringing the worst out of their vaunted stars.
But wait, it's not that simple. Or so we are told. The mess is apparently nothing to do with El Tel. After all, he wasn't the manager and had a strained relationship with McClaren long before they were handed their P45's yesterday.
So that's alright then. What that argument ignores, unfortunately, is what is understood to be a key reason behind their fall-out.
When McClaren was appointed, he turned to Venables because he was believed to be strong in the area of tactical flexibility. It was a common theme put forward at the time; Venables had been in this game before so his knowledge of systems would be an asset. During his time as England boss, he had experimented with a degree of success.
The problem was that Venables did not negotiate England through a qualifying group when he was in the hot-seat. Considering they were the hosts of Euro '96, he had the luxury of spending two years dithering around with various formations in a non-pressurised environment.
In the competition itself, the enduring memory is England's agonising penalty kick defeat to Germany in the semi-finals of the competition. Never mind that they should have lost to the Spanish but triumphed by the same method at the quarter- final stage or needed a missed penalty from Gary McAllister to help them past Scotland. Sure, it's a tad harsh to take away from his side's performances in that competition but host countries rarely fail to threaten in such tournaments.
Anyway, this is where we move onto this campaign where at an early stage the influence of Venables was apparent. England switched to his favoured 3-5-2 for last year's qualifier in Croatia and flopped. The root of the breakdown in the relationship between McClaren and Venables lies there. Since then, it has consistently leaked out that El Tel is unsatisfied with not being consulted properly about formations and team selection.
Leaks
Ah yes, the leaks. A central aspect behind the clamour for Venables has been strong media support which has been a feature of his career to date. He knows how to play the press pack and look after journalists.
He's a smart guy and his logic made sense. Keep a couple of the more influential members in the loop and the legacy will be stronger. Consequently, his track record in handling the media and the circus similar to what the Irish job has become is regarded as a positive. We are suckers, it seems, for a bit of charisma.
The momentum behind the Venables campaign in some quarters is, literally, frightening. Sure, he ticks several of the boxes for what is wanted from a replacement with plenty of experience and some notable achievements when he was working his way up the managerial ladder.
But his recent record is appalling. The only high point was his admittedly fine effort when saving Bryan Robson's Middlesbrough from the drop six years ago. Other than that, his Australia experiment didn't work, his spells with Portsmouth and Crystal Palace were embarrassing and his stint at Leeds -- although it was a club in turmoil -- was littered with gaffes in the transfer market.
The belief that he got a raw deal with England after departing due to his complicated business dealings (let's not go there) was why there was a concerted campaign to give him another shot with the Three Lions. Now, after that experiment failed spectacularly, our desire for a big personality is obviously enough to deem his recent endeavours irrelevant.
What's frustrating is that the thrills and spills at Wembley was the wrong game for the FAI to be keeping their eye on the other night. With a bit of luck, they were monitoring affairs in Porto where Finland's goalless draw against Portugal was not enough to book a spot in Austria and Switzerland for the visitors.
The Finns never quite threatened to get the win which would have brought them to the big stage for the first time but they have come remarkably close with a limited panel. In a difficult group, they have conceded just seven goals and their lack of firepower can be attributed to lengthy injuries suffered by main men Mikkel Forssell and Jari Litmanen.
Their English manager Roy Hodgson is likely to move on and not with the stench of failure. The Finnish FA is desperate to keep him there but his career has been characterised by the desire for a new challenge and Ireland comes under that bracket. He is out of contract and therefore free to talk.
Exploits
Now aged 60, Hodgson steered Switzerland to USA '94 and Euro '96 and while his club career has had its ups and downs, his Finnish exploits prove that the international game is where he thrives. Lazily, his claims for the Irish post will be mocked due to an unremarkable stint in charge of Blackburn 10 years ago. On the other hand, we must delve into Venables' history in a search for any kind of positive.
We shouldn't be looking for just a Premiership manager though, or someone we rate because we recognise them off the telly and reckon they'd be engaging company. What we need is an international boss whose methods still seem capable of securing results in an arena where a special kind of expertise is required.
That man is Hodgson, not Venables -- yet there's far more chance of the latter being handed the reins should he want them. Baffling, but then this is the country we live in. Chilly times indeed.
- Daniel McDonnell
Lads I think he is the best man out there at the minute to take the job and the fact that he is now out of contract means that the FAI won't have to pay any association compensation for his services.
Oh and the fact that I have €50 on him at 28-1 also sways me to thinking he's the man for the job.
feck ye putting all this money, how i could do with £50 at that price. Who was it that got odds of 60-1 on him?
I never put any money on him.
but neil you have been backing him for ages. how come not put the money....
I have Hodgson and Houllier at 40/1 15 euros each. So its going to be O'Leary!
Not much of a gambler really thats all. Also I thought he was the right man for the job but I did not think that I could ever be intune with what the FAI think. I still dont think he will get it either, but I really hope he does and Daniel McDonnells article is a great article. I have thought for a while now that he is a good young journalist who has a clear love of the game both here and abroad and is great to see him replace McDermott and he is a good counter balance to the bull****, that is Fanning and Curtis and Dervan.
he's still 18/1 with paddy powers....get on it lads!
But it's the panel of experts who will offer the suitable candidate to the FAI so Hodgson must be in with a shout don't you think? Surprised Giles hasn't phoned him yet but maybe a long distance call to Finland is a bit pricey.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
I hope so.
now thats proper "old school" :DQuote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
Somehow can't see Gilsey being too au fait with using Skype alright!Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
Hmm, got €140 resting in my PaddyPower account, tempted to throw it on Hodgson.
Scarily Venables is at evens, hopefully that is just idiots backing him coz he is high profile