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Originally Posted by Scram
Paul McGrath as part of the team under a continental manager would be a good move and MCGrath has offered himself for this role.
What are you basing this on?
An interview with Paul McGrath !!Quote:
Originally Posted by bohsRap
Exactly - it would be yet another gamble.Quote:
Originally Posted by bohsRap
Presumably, if the appointment of the new manager is done correctly (I know, I know) - the new manager should have his own ideas of who carries out the defensive coaching.
The players will be in shock as they haven't been coached as a team at International level in at least 2 years.
Souness was also asked: "Why do you constantly fall out with your players, and why don't you instead try and bury the hatchet instead of putting the club in jeopardy?"
He said: "Who is constantly falling out with players? I totally deny that. The only player I have fallen out with here is Craig Bellamy.
"I pick players on how they train and how they play in matches. I cannot fall out with people because our personalities are not matched. I have to be far bigger than that. That's not what management is about.
"What it is about is doing the best for the football club which employs you and that means picking the players you think are doing the business at the time.
"Whose are these players I am supposed to have fallen out with? Andy Cole? I rest my case. David Dunn? I rest my case. Craig Bellamy? I rest my case. Andy Todd? I rest my case. Dwight Yorke? We only fell out once at one training session.
"Don't forget, I have managed hundreds of players in my 19 years as a manager. So I have fallen out with five of them? I rest my case."
This is the type of idea that should be integrated into the Under 21 squad. There seems to be a laissez-faire attitude to the aspirations of the grade as it is, so I don't see what harm it would do. You could have Alan Kelly doing the keepers, Paul McGrath defence, and Aldridge doing the attack. If they are interested in helping their countries (and the future of the country) soccer team out I'm sure they won't mind doing it at any level.Quote:
Originally Posted by CollegeTillIDie
Another question. What would people think of Steve Heighway being approached for the U21 gig? He was hounded out of liverpool despite back to back youth cup wins.
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Originally Posted by Ceirtlis
Disaster:rolleyes:... At best they were no worse off when he left than they were when he took over.... What happened at Leeds or Forrest is a disaster...
...or Ireland.Quote:
Originally Posted by dr_peepee
So you think he would be good because he says so?Quote:
Originally Posted by Scram
Other than McGrath who could we get as a defensive coach? If you're looking at past players then the only other viable candidate that has experience with us as a defender is Steve Staunton. I wonder whether that could work out? :eek:
The defensive coach doesn't have to an ex player or Irish for that matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by jmurphyc
Of course he doesn't, merely joking. In fact, considering the experience of coaching that most of our ex-players have (as far as I'm aware) I'd rather we DIDN'T go for an ex-player.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfie
Yeah - have no fear. The FAI are on the case. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by jmurphyc
Well, stupid is as stupid does.Quote:
Originally Posted by dr_peepee
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Originally Posted by dr_peepee
Fcuking hell man. He took over a club who had just missed out on Champions League qualification the season before, whose previous three finishes were 4th 3rd 5th, and a club that was back playing attractive football.
He left a squad torn apart by unneccessary sales of key and squad players, ravaged by muscle injuries mostly picked up in training. There was no planning involved in his reign, his selections were poor, he proved to be tactically inept. Glenn Roeder barely saved them from relegation. In terms of on his appointment declaring that this was the best squad he had the 'pleaseure' of working with, being expected to finish top 6 and only managing a low mid table position, ripping apart a talented squad and signing players like Boumsong and Faye, he was a disaster:rolleyes:
I wish there was a head shaking smiley instead of this fool of a thing :rolleyes::rolleyes: for comments like this. Philly Hughes summed it up perfectly.Quote:
Originally Posted by dr_peepee
Look... I don't have Sounness on some sort of pedestal. He's not as bad an option as some of you are making out is all I'm saying. He's not alone in failing at Newcastle... His record as a club manager in deceptively good, even if you exclude Rangers.Quote:
Originally Posted by onephillyhughes
I feel the that next manager of Ireland is gonna need more than just an in depth technical knowledge of the game, given what has set in with the squad.
I like Souness, and I'm glad to see that this thread has yet to have any nonsense about an ex-Rangers man being an Irish manager. Personally I think Souness could be cut out for the job, he wouldn't be my first choice (Jol would be mine), but to get spirited performances out of the Irish team I think he could do it.
As for his managerial career, he did good stuff with Rangers and Galatasary, failed at Benfica, joined a Southampton team that was in free-fall and couldn't stop it, failed like every other Newcastle manager, and did a good job at Blackburn, but brought them as far as he could. Not a great record, not a bad record, but until Ireland get more credible candidates to declare an interest I'd have to say he has a good chance of getting the job
If Souness and O'Leary are the only available candidates at this moment in time then we should keep on looking. I honestly believe that if we take on either of these two men then we'll continue to be treading water in the murky waters of international football. Whatever slim chance we have of qualifying for the World Cup in 2010 becomes anorexic. I personally would prefer to go down the 'foreign' route if Steve Coppell/Hodgson wasn't availalble or not interested.
Duff played his best football under Souness at Blackburn. He might be a reasonable manager. Then again..
I always found him to be a very annoying person as a club manager but since he's come to RTE he's gone way up in my estimation and I now could almost say that I like him. :eek: He seems to have a bit of a sense of humour at least which never came across before, and what I like a lot from recent interviews is his declaration that he thinks it would be a great job to get given the quality of the squad, presumably with that corresponding to him having reasonably high expectations.
I think his CV is ok, did well in cup competitions with Blackburn and Newcastle and has had a taste of Turkish, Italian and Portugese leagues over the years. His biggest weaknesses seemed to be poor transfer dealings and rubbing players up the wrong way from time to time. The former might suggest he isn't a great judge of a player's talents. But I wouldn't be that worried about his man management skills given he won't be meeting the players everyday and with international football I think he'd be less combustible without the constant stress. Overall, he wouldn't be my ideal, but at the same time I wouldn't be overly disappointed if he got the job.
For anyone who didn't see him, or was too drunk to remember, discuss his interest with Darragh Moloney on RTE last night, you can see it by scrolling down to the bottom of this page and clicking the link.
Nah, surely Duff played his best football under the great Mick McCarthy for Ireland. Recognized by him being picked in the WC 2002 team of that tournament.Quote:
Duff played his best football under Souness at Blackburn. He might be a reasonable manager. Then again
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Originally Posted by Tuff Paddy
In fairness he was only trying to point out some plus points and didn't say that was the main reason he wouldn't mind Souness being appointed.
On that point I think Duff arguably played his best football under Claudio Ranieri at Chelsea, scoring and setting up goals in the Champions League for one of the top 4 teams in the Premiership.
Where was that said? It was merely put forth as a point to be tabulated in the Graeme Souness balance sheet. Relax dude! Perhaps the reason people crack you up is because you sometimes take wild interpretations out of innocuous comments. Now that's the kinda **** that cracks me up. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuff Paddy
I'd be very worried about this appointment.
Smacks of desperation. Can't see anything that Souness would bring to the set-up. of course, I can't see a decent coach actually agreeing to manage Ireland.
:D Once again a lovely extrapolation of my comment where I said that, as a person, from a lowly depth, Souness has risen in my estimations after getting to see him in a different environment. From seeing him on TV I've changed my opinion of him from him being an obnoxious ***** to being a decent enough sort. If you want to infer that to mean I think he is the saviour then I don't like you. Anyway leaving that aside, why do you think he'd be a disaster?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuff Paddy
which is exactly why I suggested it becauseQuote:
Originally Posted by Fergie's Son
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Originally Posted by Fergie's Son
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Originally Posted by Tuff Paddy
but surely he is contracted at reading ? FAI will need to get someone appointed before they try to punt all these friendly tickets at croker , thats for sure.
Isn't that exactly what Stan was appointed for and tried to do?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuff Paddy
We need someone who will give them a kick up the arse and get them working.
Yes, but unfortunately Coppell is unavailable for the job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuff Paddy
But he has an incredibly boring voice...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuff Paddy
One of Souness' jobs at Newcastle was to win over a dressing room of 'rolls royce' players, as Freddie Shepherd put it. What happened? He didn't win them over, he didnt change the bling culture that was at Newcastle. Dyer and Bowyer tried to knock lumps out of each other. He couldn't control Bellamy. He couldn't stop Jenas' demise as a Newcastle player. So going on that, he failed one of the major tasks he was given, a tast similar to what some people say he will have to do here. And I haven't even touched on the sh!te football his teams play...
As a pundit I actually like what he has to say. But a good, knowledgable pundit does not make a good manager, and here I think we have the perfect example.
Agree with all that, and he also fell out with every club he was at.Quote:
Originally Posted by onephillyhughes
Souness should not be let near the Irish team. He should be judged on his managerial record alone but I think that some people see him doing well as a pundit and ignore that from the 8 or so clubs he has managed that he did pretty badly at five of those clubs. I wonder how many of the people talking him up for the job would have done so before he became a pundit on RTE. I would say very few. I like him as pundit myself but I do not want him as our next manager. There seems to be money available so why not aim a little higher? As John Giles said, put a couple of million on the table and you'll be amazed who will want the job.
couldnt agree more paulie , let it be known that there is serious wedge for the holder of the position and it becomes far more prestigious. I mean how many countries have 50,000 people coming to see them play cyprus ??
It's looking like you needn't worry too much about whether Souness would make a good ROI manager or not.
With Hutchings having been sacked by Wigan this morning, "Skybet" latest odds have Souness as 2/1 ON (favourite) to take over. The next shortest odds are 8/1 AGAINST for Hoddle, Jewell and Pearce.
We were only wondering if he would be a good Manager for Ireland.
Souness rejected the Bolton job when it was offered to him. Isn't Wigan much of a muchness?
Maybe he's making a cunning ploy by using these rumours linking him with "top" clubs in order to get top dollar from the FAI....
He's a clever guy that Souness fellah!
EG dont go tellin' me you actually trust the bookies evaluations of who will be the next manager of a team. quickest way to the poorhouse....
It's not a case of "trusting" bookies, rather it's a case of following the money and with those odds, Skybet clearly didn't want to take money on Souness, but were hoping to take a few bob on the others.Quote:
Originally Posted by RogerMilla
Unfortunately for them, they were unsuccessful, since they didn't receive a single enquiry about anyone other than Souness. Consequently, they have now closed the book entirely!
My guess is that Souness is in talks with Wigan right now and if they can agree terms, it'll happen.
Hope your right. It will get him out of the Ireland running and significantly reduce Wigan's survival chances which could help save one of the other struggling teams that have a decent Irish contingent (Birmingham, Reading or Sunderland). A season in the Championship might see Kevin Kilbane frozen out of the Irish setup which would be another bonus.Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
One word for Souness with regards to the Irish job....unemployable.
Look at it from an FAI perspective...do they need to take another risk? Give them some credit, if they do interview Souness it will be purely a case of going through the motions. He has as much a chance of getting a job as a presenter on Strictly Come Dancing.