New Provisional Licence Requirements

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26/10/2007, 12:12 PM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

I live and pay my taxes here now and get to experience the poor driving standards daily so I reckon I deserve a view.

Do you think people who were working legally today should be unemployed on Tuesday as a result of this?

I have absolutely no problem with this law being enforced. I have a huge problem with the timeframes involved
26/10/2007, 12:24 PM
Eire06

Question:
If someone driving unaccompanied with a provisional Licence crashes into someone else, are the covered by their insurance even though they are not abiding to the conditions of their licences?

I don't think they are!
26/10/2007, 12:31 PM
Dodge

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eire06

Question:
If someone driving unaccompanied with a provisional Licence crashes into someone else, are the covered by their insurance even though they are not abiding to the conditions of their licences?

yes they are (insurance federation guy was on radio this morning). He then said he'd expect that driver to be prosecuted for breaking the law
26/10/2007, 12:36 PM
noby

According to Dempsey, the law will come in next week, then it's up to the Garda� as to how they enforce it, suggesting a possible 2-3 month period of introduction. This makes more sense.
26/10/2007, 12:42 PM
Schumi

Quote:

Originally Posted by noby

it's up to the Garda� as to how they enforce it, suggesting a possible 2-3 month period of introduction.

That suggests nothing being done to me.
26/10/2007, 12:48 PM
Dodge

Who put that ****ing poll up?

Ask if people agree that it should be implemented with one working days notice?
26/10/2007, 12:53 PM
pete

The previous situation was ludicrous so change is welcomed.

I predict more people will just take down their L plates & take their chances that not stopped by the Gardai.
26/10/2007, 12:53 PM
pete

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dodge

Who put that ****ing poll up?

Ask if people agree that it should be implemented with one working days notice?

Poll covers that.
26/10/2007, 12:56 PM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by pete

Poll covers that.

No it doesn't. I'm in favour of new requirements BUT not in the way announced by government
26/10/2007, 12:59 PM
Billsthoughts

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dodge

No it doesn't. I'm in favour of new requirements BUT not in the way announced by government

agree with Dodge...
26/10/2007, 1:00 PM
Macy

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Originally Posted by passinginterest

Or a hint that the system is a farce? With little or no consistency from one test centre to another, SGS testers have a higher pass rate than the government centres, centres around the country have wildly varying pass rates, testers behave completely differently, and I could go on.

It could equally be that the standard of driver varies widely from centre to centre, even tester to tester. As for the outsourced ones, who's to say they aren't more lax in their testing. So many variables that you can't really make sweeping statements.

Everyone who ever fails their driving test feels hard done by, regardless whether they deserved to or not. That's speaking as someone who failed a couple of times - the extra lessons made me a far better driver, and by the end I could see why I'd failed the previous times.
26/10/2007, 1:01 PM
Macy

Quote:

Originally Posted by noby

According to Dempsey, the law will come in next week, then it's up to the Garda� as to how they enforce it, suggesting a possible 2-3 month period of introduction. This makes more sense.

Farcical. Hold of introducing the law rather than leave to the whims of individual cops. We know how consistent they've proved to be in the past :rolleyes:
26/10/2007, 1:01 PM
anto1208

i was laughing at the girl on the news saying " ive got four kids i have to get to school what am i going to do now ill have the walk !":eek:

shocking she might have to walk to the school oh my end of the world stuff surely thats better than putting your kids in a car with a someone that isnt able to drive properly.
26/10/2007, 1:05 PM
Billsthoughts

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macy

Farcical. Hold of introducing the law rather than leave to the whims of individual cops. We know how consistent they've proved to be in the past :rolleyes:

Ihate gettin sly digs in on the guards as load of my mates are guards but went ove rthis morning to get my form and asked that guards behind the counter and the first one said thats not for a few months and the second one said thats happening monday.....so at least they are clear on it...
26/10/2007, 1:05 PM
Macy

Quote:

Originally Posted by anto1208

i was laughing at the girl on the news saying " ive got four kids i have to get to school what am i going to do now ill have the walk !":eek:

shocking she might have to walk to the school oh my end of the world stuff surely thats better than putting your kids in a car with a someone that isnt able to drive properly.

Yeah, because it's not like she could live in a rural area and be 5 or 6 miles from the school or anything?
26/10/2007, 1:05 PM
noby

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Originally Posted by anto1208

shocking she might have to walk to the school oh my end of the world stuff

You obviously know the ages of the kids and the distance to the school with such an informed post.
26/10/2007, 1:07 PM
Eire06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dodge

yes they are (insurance federation guy was on radio this morning). He then said he'd expect that driver to be prosecuted for breaking the law

Cheers good to know, was worried about the insurance companies finding a loop hole there And thus screwing the fully licensed people
26/10/2007, 1:08 PM
Macy

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Originally Posted by Billsthoughts

Ihate gettin sly digs in on the guards as load of my mates are guards but went ove rthis morning to get my form and asked that guards behind the counter and the first one said thats not for a few months and the second one said thats happening monday.....so at least they are clear on it...

Point is, they should implement the law as is, not be expected to massage it to suit thick ministers who haven't thought things through.

btw They're still only talking about easing off on those on a 2nd provisional, not all provisionals.
26/10/2007, 1:13 PM
Dodge

Whole range of stuff in the rules. Including r plates and various others

www.rsa.ie for the policy document (in .pdf file)

Randomest thing so far has been the plan to put limiters on cars used by learners. nice idea in theory but how will one car with one fully licensed driver and one provisional work?
26/10/2007, 1:18 PM
Dodge

http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/1026/roadsafety.html

"However, he said following concerns raised about the short period in which some drivers will have to make new arrangements, the garda authorities will take a 'common sense' approach for 'two or three months'."

Either they're breaking the law or their not Dempsey?! ****ing arsehole

"Common Sense of the gardai" is the biggest oxymoron ever
26/10/2007, 1:20 PM
OneRedArmy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dodge

Do you think people who were working legally today should be unemployed on Tuesday as a result of this?

I have absolutely no problem with this law being enforced. I have a huge problem with the timeframes involved

I said above the implementation was cack-handed, but I wouldn't expect anything else from this Govt.

BUT, as I also said this was flagged as coming down the tracks as long as three years ago.

How many of the complainers as of yesterday were formally waiting for a test date? If they weren't, they can have nothing to complain about.

In any case the Govt appear to be backing down as of lunchtime news.
26/10/2007, 1:24 PM
Billsthoughts

in what way? (I think you will find most people are waiting on a test....)
26/10/2007, 1:26 PM
Dodge

Quote:

Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

How many of the complainers as of yesterday were formally waiting for a test date? If they weren't, they can have nothing to complain about.

The 6 month waiting list in some places would suggest most of them were waiting. And even then I'd disagree with you
26/10/2007, 1:28 PM
Macy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dodge

Whole range of stuff in the rules. Including r plates and various others

www.rsa.ie for the policy document (in .pdf file)

Blocked in work! However, I expect it to be like most other things that spoofing quango produces. No point in making stricter laws when the problem is enforcement not the bloody laws.

Case in point is the drink drive limit - most caught are several multiples of the current limit, not at it or just over it. When you get good compliance of current laws, then reduce them. Anything else is just showboating, something messrs Brett and Bryne are feckin leaders at.
26/10/2007, 1:28 PM
Dodge

BTW poll changed ;)
26/10/2007, 1:29 PM
L37Ultra

Its about time. Its probably the only country in the World where you can fail your driving test and then drive home on your own. Its madess, I have my pro- license for two years and i got i by passing a simple theory test in which I got 40/40 without opening a book. I then got a car and I was allowed to drive around on my own even though I had never driven a car before. Its crazy and no wonder so many young people die on our roads. They are simply unable to drive cars as they can have a car and a license without ever having lessons.
26/10/2007, 1:31 PM
Dodge

Quote:

Originally Posted by L37Ultra

I then got a car and I was allowed to drive around on my own even though I had never driven a car before... They are simply unable to drive cars

So what makes you different from the rest?
26/10/2007, 1:33 PM
OneRedArmy

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Originally Posted by Dodge

BTW poll changed ;)

......previous votes deleted and those who voted previously can't vote in this poll.

Previous poll had 75% support :rolleyes:
26/10/2007, 1:35 PM
L37Ultra

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dodge

So what makes you different from the rest?

Im not different from the rest. I was unable to drive properly when I started off and many well agrue that I still am not up to the standard I should be to drive on the roads. I failed my test during the summer yet I was legally allowed to drive home. Dont you think thats a bit crazy?
26/10/2007, 1:35 PM
OneRedArmy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Billsthoughts

in what way? (I think you will find most people are waiting on a test....)

Are you saying that the majority of provisional license holders in the country are currently on a waiting list for a test?
26/10/2007, 1:38 PM
pete

Quote:

Originally Posted by L37Ultra

Its about time. Its probably the only country in the World where you can fail your driving test and then drive home on your own.

Always funny trying to explain that to foreign visitors.

One good thing about the new rule or is that alteration to the existing rule is that may remove a lot of foreign drivers from the road. Irish drivers bad enough but foreign drivers worse.
26/10/2007, 1:40 PM
Jerry The Saint

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Originally Posted by pete

Irish drivers bad enough but foreign drivers worse.

Four legs good, two legs bad!
26/10/2007, 1:40 PM
OneRedArmy

Quote:

Originally Posted by pete

Irish drivers bad enough but foreign drivers worse.

There ends a broadcast on behalf of the Sweeping Xenophobic Generalisations Party.
26/10/2007, 1:43 PM
Billsthoughts

Quote:

Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

Are you saying that the majority of provisional license holders in the country are currently on a waiting list for a test?

yes.you cant apply for a further licence without proof you have applied for the test. all further licences have limited terms on them.
26/10/2007, 1:44 PM
Dodge

Quote:

Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

......previous votes deleted and those who voted previously can't vote in this poll.

Previous poll had 75% support :rolleyes:

My fault. I thought it would totally wipe the slate clean. I'll delete the polls totally
26/10/2007, 1:45 PM
OneRedArmy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Billsthoughts

yes.you cant apply for a further licence without proof you have applied for the test. all further licences have limited terms on them.

Fair enough so.

Still don't understand why the number of long-term provisional drivers is so high.
26/10/2007, 1:48 PM
Dodge

Quote:

Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

Still don't understand why the number of long-term provisional drivers is so high.

What are the figures for long term provisional holders. Figures I've heard today are 400,000 total, and of that 120,000 are on 2nd provisional
26/10/2007, 2:03 PM
Danny

its in that pdf dodge (http://www.rsa.ie/NEWS/upload/File/8...rategy_ENG.pdf pg 47)

209k on 1st provisional
121k on 2nd
95k on 3rd or more

2.078m full licenses
26/10/2007, 2:05 PM
Dodge

Cheers Danny.
26/10/2007, 2:13 PM
progress

i have said this already,the government have not given this enough thought on the second provisional dilemma.it has been stated that your current provisional will still be valid, therefore the second provisional states that you can drive unattended.the only way they could get around this is by issueing you with a new learner permit instead because i would say if tested in court that your provisional license would be good enough proof for you to be able to drive alone.anyone have any comment on that

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