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Originally Posted by backtowalsall
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What about David Dein? He got Wenger for Arsenal. He's currently free and has a huge about of experience in professional football, on the admin side of things. I think him along with someone like Bobby Robson, Johnny Giles would be a good selection panel.
Bobby Robson
Jim Beglin
Liam Brady
Phil Gartside (or David Dein)
Roy Keane
Bobby Robson
Jim Beglin (why?)
Liam Brady
Phil Gartside (or David Dein) (Is this because he is in the news lately for picking Gary Megson and before that Sammy Lee)
Roy Keane(he cant buy a decent amount of players never mind a good manager
Daniel Mc Donnell had a good name as part of the team and I think its probably the best one yet.
Andy Roxburgh. I think he would be perfect for this team and would certainly think outside the box and no what it takes to get the right man in and has tonnes of contacts at Uefa level and would know of many coaches with good pedigrees around Europe.
In an ideal universe we'd be getting him in as manager ... but ́nstead could he be the man to find us a manager?
He is a proven football expert with time on his hands as he's kicking his heels in London doing nothing more then taking Italian lessons. Easy to contact too as Bobby Robson would have his mobile number.
Who get to "choose" the manager. Who will they go for? Pure speculation but can't see Moran or Quinn choosing someone from outside of Ireland/UK.
Well about time they took their Union jack coloured shades off then :D
ANy news of the selection team?
Can we assume that our "headhunters" are currently not working in the football business? i.e. no current managers or coaches will be employed for the headhunting role?
If so, the headhunting team will be made up of "footballing people" that currently aren't employed in the football business (got to ask yourself why aren't they currently employed ;) ) - sounds good doesn't it? :D
So the headhunting team will likely be made up of TV pundits and some foreign bloke that nobody in the FAI knows on a personal level but read something about him in a tabloid - and because he is a foreigner he must know something of use.
I heard the name Odgers, Rey & Bernstein mentioned, a global search firm with a specialist sports department. I know an Irish guy there - I might call him for a chat!
David Davies, formerly of the FA (and earlier was a BBC match summariser on Grandstand - anyone remember that?) is being mentioned. Wasn't he implicated in the mishandling of Sven's contracts? I goit the impression he was starstruck by Sven and wasn't overly subjective in the appointment. It was Sven at all costs, as if he was some kind of messiah.
Niall Quinn means well but I just don't think he has the hard edge required. Sure, he's a successful businessman but only a complete gobshyte could have failed to amass a fortune given his high income and the concurrent asset price appreciation that was happening.
Kevin Moran has proven business savvy and is far less sentimental but do we know how well he understands the requirements? From watching respected players now working as pundits you've got to wonder just what they know about the game. In fact very often it's the lesser players in the game who actually seem to be the best thinkers / analysts.
David Dein is a guy who I'd trust to do the job well (but I wouldn't trust him in any other capacity!).
Roxburgh's an interesting one.
my respect for dunphy and gile plummetted when they were touting names like 'big Ron' and 'George Graham' about, although Dunphy did stay(prior to stan) than Leo Beenhakker should be Ireland manager
roxburgh is big mates with houllier and hodgson.
he served on various uefa technical committees with them down the years.
i fear a gary megson type appointment process. ie where megson's former agent was the headhunter for bolton.
Yes, he's in a kind of "coaching academics" clique which could well cloud his objectivity but then again, Houllier & Hodgson are a cut above almost everyone we've had in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by eekers
I am not a fan of Roxburgh. Poor manager and being in EUFA means nothing. Did the Scottish FA approach Roxburgh for advice on Walter Smith or McLeish. No. The only people the FAI should be asking for advice are the best current international and club managers. Either employed or recently unemployed. If it is to be Quinn (shambles as a manager) or Moran (never managed beyond U11 Rangers of Bushy Park ( I know that because he was my manager. Truly intelligent, great person but why are we not approaching Hiddink, Beenhakker, Mourinho for advice. I guarantee you a half decent hack at Newstalk106 would be able to seek out and ask their advice so why not the FAI?) )
Even if it's a good idea to begin with, once the FAI get hold of it, it is fraught with danger.
I wouldn't trust the FAI with just having to press a failsafe red button.
Will the consultant(s) have sole discretion or will they just forward the top choices to the FAI board?
Either way the FAI are still involved. Which one has the potential for least harm?
It all leads back to the FAI one way or another.
According to the Independent today , the FAI "brainstormed" names for the possible consultants roles yesterday. Doesn't sound like the most scientific approach so far.
There's an oxymoron there somewhere.
I reckon there's at least 10 poxy morons in there.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
i think it's clear that the consultant role here is not being implemented just to find the best candidate for the job, but to absolve the board of the fai from responsibility if it goes wrong. delaney is an excellent politician above all else and he was badly bitten on the stan saga and this brainchild is his way of:
a) showing he is 'progressive' and willing to accept mistakes, learn from them and move on
and b) absolving himself of any responsibility if things go wrong.
if we actually find a decent manager, it is a big bonus as far as he is concerned, but if history has taught us one thing with regard to the fai, it's that is by and large a facesaving measure, where the stated objective and the unspoken objective don't really coincide.
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Originally Posted by NeilMcD
Beglin is a fool, cant believe his name is seriously mentioned here, then again so is Robsons name
My god even the selection committee is tough to call. Might need a pre-selection commitee to pick the selection commitee
Dein and Roxburgh are good choices, but please god tell me the FAI havent went with David Davies
Gartside is Irish, and also picked Big Sam from the 4th flight
Beglin is there as a journo, and like it or not the media are important in this process
And Robson because we are already paying him
I assume there is still no word on this selection team? The vacuum is leaving it open for the pundits and journalists to take centre stage.
In light of Delaney ringing Paul Jewell last night, and Jewell turning it down, does this now mean that there is no selection committee and Delaney is in charge of the process? Does anyone have any insight?
I'd be more concerned if speaking with Delaney was the reason he turned it down, i.e. he was interested, spoke with Delaney, and now he's not so interested.Quote:
Originally Posted by eekers
he spoke to giles before delaney last night.
and he informed giles he was no longer interested.
and then delaney got involved to confirm it.
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,195...900405,00.html
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"I rang Johnny yesterday (Thursday) to say 'after serious consideration, I'm really flattered, I've decided not to be considered'.
"Then the FAI chief executive called me last night to ask me if I would re-consider. But I'm beginning to miss the day-to-day involvement with the players on the training ground, that's what I'm looking for now.
Fair enough, at least that's clarified.
Good stuff eekers. Your stuff is spot on.Quote:
Originally Posted by eekers
not really, personally i want to see these two in chargeQuote:
Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar
When Matt Cooper mentioned on Friday afternoon's 'Last Word' that John "Im not getting involved with the prospective management candidates" Delaney had gotten involved with a prospective management candidate by, well, talking directly to him on the phone, I thought Cooper was taking the pee.
Going by their reaction, I think Cascarino and Lawrenson did too....
(Apparently an outstanding deluge of anti-Venables sentiment was sent in by listeners too, which was mentioned several times during the broadcast, which is better than the usual "Venables : our number 1 choice" guff that other media outlets are faffing about with)
If my understanding is correct, today's Sunday Tribune has reported that Sir Bobby Robson has apparently been retained by the FAI as one part of the tripartite headhunting committee. Robson has consulted various figures in the English game regarding the appointment of the next Irish manager, Sir Alex Ferguson being one of those (Ferguson is reported as having said that "a certain Gerard H" seems to be a popular topic of conversation in FAI chatter).
So, my query is this: do we know who any of the 3-man committee are yet (if anyone can confirm that Robson is one-third of it?)
Stephen Staunton maybe?
Robson: So Stan, what do you think of Tony Venables for manager?
Stan: Well, you tell me.
Staunton for England.
Heard Andy Townsend is being appraoched. Big Ron it is then with Andy doing the Ally McCoist thing if his recommendations are heeded.
This whole head-hunting the head-hunters in bullsh*t IMO. The FAI are asking everyone in an off-the-record type of way because they're obviously paranoid of making a pure heims of the appointment again. People won't stand for it and the "Delaney Out" campaign, if it comes to that, will be too much for them to survive after the Stan debacle.
No-one, including them, wants to carry the can for another ****-up so basically they're asking anyone who'll listen to them and will only make it public if the media catch them out on it. Townsend will be in the headlines this week.
Bobby Robson, Don Howe and David Pleat are pretty much confirmed as the selection committee.
Good names but are they in any way in tune with feeling in Ireland with regard who the fans might want.
At least they dont have to read the muck in the media here though.
my fears about these 3 amigos? Don Howe has worked with El Tel (1 of England's coaches during their unsuccessful 96 campaign) and David Pleat is a Spurs man through and through who must love Venables because he's the only one who has won them anything of significance in the 25 years....I'm excluding the League Cup win under Graham. We don't have one Irish voice on that panel. When their selection goes tits up in 2 years time what will they care? It's just another x amount of sterling in their retirement fund. They should just appoint El Tel's wife and ask her to pick a manager.Quote:
Originally Posted by eekers
uefa cup '84 :)Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker1982
and pleat was a better tottenham manager than venables that 87 team was the business.
Venables isnt that loved at Tottenham at all btw, he shafted the club for his own financial gain.
And Howe must hate him (being a gooner and all ;))
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Originally Posted by eekers
The Uefa cups not a real trophy :D
yes the uefa cup died in 2000