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24/10/2007, 6:19 PM
Poor Student

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Originally Posted by CollegeTillIDie

So Colin Forde's appointment is window dressing? I am giving him some credit for increasing the crowds so far this season and I am giving him credit with being able to bring more crowds in next season at a more central location.

That was in response to your hysterical "the whole viability of the enterprise is at stake". I'd like to think we can improve our crowds next year, Colin's appointment has been great but it'll take some type to reap the rewards of the work being put in but my point was we'll survive if we get relegation, the whole viability of the bussiness will not be at stake.

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If the crowds go up the potential for perimeter advertising and sponsorship etc, rises incrementally. The potential for being live on TV increases too.
I am amazed at your inability to project into the future that if X happens Y and Z may follow.

Again that's just potential discussion, I've no problem with any of that but you were talking about our very existence, not potential revenue streams.

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You were the one who kicked off this thread suddenly waking up to the fact that we were possibly in relegation danger. I have merely been backing up your points all along. So are you now backtracking? I believe that until any team reaches more than about 36 points in this League YOU ARE IN POTENTIAL RELEGATION DANGER. Because your team can go on losing streaks such as the one we are currently on where you do not collect ANY League points. I don't call it doom merchant I call it realism. I have seen teams go down on 34 points. We haven't reached that yet.

I'm saying not to get bogged down in arbitrary targets or castigating the team. I think we're in danger but I don't want to engage in your hyperbole and capitalised negativity and criticism.

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Pitch maintenance will increase because 30 pairs of studs worn by people weighing 15 + stone, will obviously do more damage to a playing surface than 22 pairs of studs worn by people weighing considerably less. To give an analogy from motoring ....A Sherman Tank will do more damage to the N11 than a Volvo S70. The Rugby club will contribute to the running costs. But the surface will be nowhere near as good as Belfield Park. Surely you can put 2 and 2 together and get 4 for an answer.

Are we debating about the surface quality or running costs? Like I said we'll share the running costs, how will we be paying much more?:confused:
26/10/2007, 1:37 PM
DmanDmythDledge

Derry have a long injury list tonight...
26/10/2007, 5:17 PM
pineapple stu

Not as long as it at first seems. Seven players are out per Aertel, but Alan Moore and Ola Tidman were never going to play anyways and I've never heard of Dave McEwan. Don't think Gary Beckett's played much this season either (hasn't scored anyway).

Still, more chance of Drogs beating Waterford, which would be a good result for us as well.
26/10/2007, 5:44 PM
CollegeTillIDie

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Not as long as it at first seems. Seven players are out per Aertel, but Alan Moore and Ola Tidman were never going to play anyways and I've never heard of Dave McEwan. Don't think Gary Beckett's played much this season either (hasn't scored anyway).

Still, more chance of Drogs beating Waterford, which would be a good result for us as well.

Dave McEwan is their other keeper :rolleyes:
26/10/2007, 5:46 PM
pineapple stu

Why the :rolleyes:?

They've PJ.
26/10/2007, 5:47 PM
DmanDmythDledge

:D

He's their fourth choice keeper.
26/10/2007, 5:49 PM
pineapple stu

Who?
.
26/10/2007, 5:50 PM
CollegeTillIDie

pineapple stu

He made a couple of first team appearances recently.
I don't know if Ola Tidman is even still around. He was sh1te in the only game he played which was on Telly they were beaten 4-1 at home. Gary Beckett's been injured most of the season and is going to retire at the end of the season as he told me when I met him at the FAI Awards earlier this year.
26/10/2007, 5:50 PM
DmanDmythDledge

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Who?
.

McEwan.
26/10/2007, 5:55 PM
pineapple stu

Even less reason to care so.

CTID - Tidman's clearly around if he's out injured. Not as if the media would report someone injured for months after they'd left a club.

So the injury crisis isn't as bad as it looks. But it's still going to be an interesting evening...
26/10/2007, 5:58 PM
CollegeTillIDie

The point is pineapple stu is they are worse keepers than PJ and if you were looking for Derry's weaknesses either of their sub keepers would be a doozie.
26/10/2007, 6:03 PM
pineapple stu

But their sub keeper won't be playing, so it's irrelevant.
26/10/2007, 8:29 PM
Poor Student

Waterford are losing 1-0 to Drogs. That's going to significantly ease chances of getting sucked into the playoffs. Galway are drawing with Derry but that match kicked off late due to floodlight failure. I have no idea what stage it's at.
26/10/2007, 8:31 PM
pineapple stu

No, it's currently suspended because of floodlight failure. Only happened about ten minutes ago.
26/10/2007, 8:32 PM
pineapple stu

Waterford equalise...
26/10/2007, 8:41 PM
pineapple stu

Result in Waterford. Still two points dropped from them. They're now three points behind us with two games to go and a far inferior goal difference. Galway at home and Rovers away (can't see them winning that, in which case we're safe).
26/10/2007, 8:42 PM
Poor Student

Waterford take the point in the end. They're three away from us with a significantly worse goal difference. Hopefully Galway won't win and then at least one of the two of them will be dropping points next week.
26/10/2007, 8:43 PM
pineapple stu

Echo!
26/10/2007, 8:45 PM
Poor Student

Also, someone might stay up with less than 33 points or a less than one point a game average, shock horror.:eek:
26/10/2007, 8:47 PM
pineapple stu

That could never happen. I saw a team go down with less than a point a game once, so it will always be the case.
26/10/2007, 8:54 PM
pineapple stu

Galway 1-0 up. :rolleyes:
26/10/2007, 9:24 PM
pineapple stu

FT in Galway.

8 - Galway P31 Pts 31 GD -8
9 - UCD P31 Pts 31 GD -9
10 - Bray P31 Pts 30 GD -19
11 - Waterford P31 Pts 28 GD -24
12 - Longford P31 Pts 25 GD -17

Games to go -
Galway - Waterford (A), UCD (H)
UCD - Pat's (H), Galway (A)
Bray - Drogheda (A), Sligo (H)
Waterford - Galway (H), Rovers (A)
Longford - Bohs (A), Derry (H)
26/10/2007, 10:18 PM
CollegeTillIDie

We are now BEHIND Galway and if we don't beat them we are probably going to be in the play-off I have already worked out that beating Pat's is extremely unlikely. Bray only 1 point behind and Waterford only 3 points behind. If we don't pick up any points, and the others do we are in the play-off. Am I being Alarmist now or REALISTIC?
27/10/2007, 12:55 AM
DmanDmythDledge

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Originally Posted by CollegeTillIDie

If we don't pick up any points, and the others do we are in the play-off. Am I being Alarmist now or REALISTIC?

Eh, Waterford could pick up points and not finish ahead of us.

I said this earlier and I'll say this again. The players have themselves to blame for this. Too many many half arsed performances, for example Sligo away, Waterford and Longford at home. They'll play against the big teams when there's TV cameras or scouts watching the opposition, but when it's the teams towards the end of table it's the "a sure they're crap" attitude. That's what has us where we are now and **** it there's still a chance we could finish bottom! A team of Conan Byrnes, Tony Mcs, whoever you want to name is what we need. Even if the recent games wouldn't have had an effect on our season or a half arsed performance the fans deserve more. We travel all around the country to watch your perform, having to go to a few kips along the way, **** it go to some kip every second week.

The players we have at the moment are full of talent, without doubt the most talented group of players that have ever played for UCD. Relegation dogfight aren't what this team is about. Show us your courage lads, show us your bottle, show us your passion. You shouldn't be where ye are now. 4 points from the next two games, ye know you are good enough. All this talk about Leeds, Stoke, Derry- **** it. Stay here. We'll win the league in the next few years if we keep everyone that we have- no doubt about it. What would you prefer- go over across the water and say at the end of your career, "I played in England I did", or say "ah yeah stayed in Ireland, won a few medals".

Well ye might be able to say that this year. Longford are no jokers- definitely not the worst team in the league but not as good as us. Peform to your potential and we'll have them. After that **** what the media say, **** reputations, **** full interntional caps, **** a 4-1 loss in their backyard. It's up to you lads- have your nice comfy like in England or have a battle and reach the top over here. Give us another 300 appearance legend, not the 50 add fella that ****ed away his career going to England thinking he was the dogs ******** and ending up playing in the reserves.
27/10/2007, 12:28 PM
Poor Student

Best result next week is that Galway beat Waterford. That'll keep Waterford three points behind us with an impossible goal difference to overturn.
27/10/2007, 1:36 PM
Schumi

Even if we lose both games, Waterford would have to get 4 points from their last two games to catch us. I don't think that's likely. I don't intend thinking about the league for another few days anyway, there's much more important matters to worry about first.

Classic drunken rant above BTW, well done. :D
27/10/2007, 1:54 PM
DmanDmythDledge

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Originally Posted by Schumi

Even if we lose both games, Waterford would have to get 4 points from their last two games to catch us. I don't think that's likely.

I wouldn't put it past them getting a point against a Rovers team with nothing to play for...

As someone who is usually overly optimistic I'm worried about how worried I've gotten about this...
27/10/2007, 5:17 PM
pineapple stu

Interesting how we've generally done better against the top teams than last year, but worse against the bottom teams. A quick analysis from soccerbot -

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Club 2007 2006 Pts Bohs 4 3 Bray 4 7 Cork 0 2 Derry 5 2 Drogheda 3 1 Galway/D City 2 0 Longford 1 5 Pat's 2 2 Shels/Rovers 1 0 Waterford 9 7 Sligo 0 9 31 38

So, better against Bohs, Derry, Drogheda and Rovers, but worse against Bray, Longford and Sligo, and the Galway tally is very poor too.

Hopefully, if we survive next season's cull, then we can start to do much better with fewer crap teams in the league!
27/10/2007, 6:06 PM
Poor Student

I wonder is it a question of motivation or did those games come at particularly bad times with reagrds to injuries and suspensions? Also, would the number of home and away games against each opponent changing around have affected things?
27/10/2007, 6:48 PM
pineapple stu

We had Drogheda, Derry and Bohs away twice this year, which makes those results even more impressive. We had Longford and Bray at home twice.
27/10/2007, 7:37 PM
CollegeTillIDie

We're seven points worse off than last season with only six points remaining up for grabs, so effectively we have gone backwards league wise this season.
10/11/2007, 8:19 AM
gufct

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Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge

Given the fact that Bray are playing Galway and Waterford are playing Galway we're more or less safe. Each team's run in:

UCD
Bohs (a)
Pats (h)
Galway (a)

Bray
Longford (a)
Drogs (a)
Sligo (h)

Galway
Derry (h)
W'ford (a)
UCD (h)

W'ford
Drogs (h)
Galway (h)
Rovers (a)

Longford
Bray (h)
Bohs (a)
Derry (h)

Can only see the three teams below us getting three points at most. Very annoying where we are in the table as we would be top half if we were more consistent.

And ye wonder why other fans find yere arrogance unbelieveable. One of the websites gave the wrong score in the waterford game at half time so everybody in Terryland thought waterford were one up until 20 mins from the end and you would want to see how worried the UCD Players were before the score came through.It should have been 4-1 at half time only for Quigley.
10/11/2007, 8:25 AM
CollegeTillIDie

gufct

It's not only fans of other clubs that find the arrogance of some of our '' younger'' fans unbelievable. I flagged that we were in danger of being in the playoff weeks ago and was savaged for doing so.

And the point being made in the extract that '' we would be in the top half of the table if we were more consistent'' is like saying if our aunts had balls they'd be our uncles!
10/11/2007, 10:05 AM
DmanDmythDledge

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Originally Posted by gufct

And ye wonder why other fans find yere arrogance unbelieveable. One of the websites gave the wrong score in the waterford game at half time so everybody in Terryland thought waterford were one up until 20 mins from the end and you would want to see how worried the UCD Players were before the score came through.It should have been 4-1 at half time only for Quigley.

Seeing as you're so smart why didn't you disagree at the time?

I thought Quigley was part of the 11 players that we put out on the pitch. We wouldn't have lost if we played a full strength team either.
10/11/2007, 10:21 AM
Poor Student

Most of us felt safe weeks ago that on the basis if we somehow managed to pick up no points for the remainder of the season we still had enough points to probably stay up. The unlikely situation happened, we lost our last 4 four games and only picked up 2 points out of a possible 21 in our last games and we still managed to stay up. It's obvious to see why most of us felt no threat until the end. We accumulated enough points to stay up just as most of us felt we would, we just didn't think it would be so little.
10/11/2007, 10:28 AM
Gaillimh Al

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Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge

Seeing as you're so smart why didn't you disagree at the time?

I thought Quigley was part of the 11 players that we put out on the pitch. We wouldn't have lost if we played a full strength team either.

Ifs. Buts. Maybes. And maybe we would have won by more if Fitzgerald, O'Halloran and O'Flynn had been involved and O'Brien had stayed on the pitch a bit longer. And we gave 2 U-21's their first taste of LOI football. Delighted to have finished ahead of the mighty students.
10/11/2007, 12:32 PM
gufct

it should have been 4 or 5 at half time with 6 first teamers missing and how many points have ye taken off us all season 2. UCD were very lucky as there wasnt a hope in hell of them beating any team in the playoffs they were brutal last night and looked a team doomed to relegation.

Just for the record how many UCD fans were there because I didnt see one UCD Jersey and the only supporters I saw were Noel King and a few other parents of players.
10/11/2007, 3:19 PM
pineapple stu

For record, I think most Galway fans will admit that gufct is a bit of an over-reactor, often getting into rows with their fans and gets bees into his bonnet very easily. I don't think his views hold much weight here, to be honest.

We switched off seven weeks ago - stupid thing to do, but the season's over now. At least we know that we're better than where we finished this season and, with three going down next year, we won't be in a position to switch off so soon and will have to keep going to the end. This at least gives us a bit of a boost over the likes of Bray and Galway, whose positions are more reflective of their strengths.

It is of course worrying that we couldn't beat a First Division club with 10� players (Wes Charles is one of the worst players I have ever seen in the league, and doesn't count as one player), but that's life. Last night was a open game between two poor teams - entertaining in the way a Superleague game is entertaining. Galway's defenders were comically bad under any sort of pressure, as were ours. Quigley merely did what we pay him to do, and any talk of "should have been 3 or 4" is pure speculation based, as dmanetc noted, on the premise that we didn't have Quigley in nets. If we had a decent forward, we would have easily gotten a point at least as Sammon and Byrne passed up a lot of good openings.

I wasn't counting our fans, so I don't know. I was there in my UCD jersey, so you obviously weren't looking that hard. Titan was there, met Maccer and various other Sherros.
11/11/2007, 8:17 AM
CollegeTillIDie

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Originally Posted by Poor Student

Most of us felt safe weeks ago that on the basis if we somehow managed to pick up no points for the remainder of the season we still had enough points to probably stay up. The unlikely situation happened, we lost our last 4 four games and only picked up 2 points out of a possible 21 in our last games and we still managed to stay up. It's obvious to see why most of us felt no threat until the end. We accumulated enough points to stay up just as most of us felt we would, we just didn't think it would be so little.

Did you ever hear the expression never count your chickens until they are hatched? So it should be with league points, don't count them till they are in the bag and on the table next to your clubs name.
11/11/2007, 11:50 AM
Poor Student

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Originally Posted by CollegeTillIDie

Did you ever hear the expression never count your chickens until they are hatched? So it should be with league points, don't count them till they are in the bag and on the table next to your clubs name.

Actually I think I'll continue to assume we won't lose every game we'll ever play from henceforth. You'll have us in the A Championship for 2010.

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