Why? You went to the game with both your kits. It was Cork who refused to budgeQuote:
Originally Posted by superfrank
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Why? You went to the game with both your kits. It was Cork who refused to budgeQuote:
Originally Posted by superfrank
Anyone got a scan of this?Quote:
Originally Posted by harpskid
Both of their kits, neither of which was sufficiently different from the home team'sQuote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
.............so Cork change their kit.Quote:
Originally Posted by TommyGaynor
They didn't, and got fined.
Am I missing something?:confused:
No you're not, under the rules Bray are in the right. However the rules are stupid. Were Derry fined last season when Sligo came to the Brandywell and their away of white shirts and red shorts was deemed to clash with the Derry colours and Sligo wore the black Derry away?
It the problem not partially caused by the fact that the decision is made on the day by the ref. Should these issues not be decided at the start of the season and let the FAI decide which kits clash and let the clubs register what they plan to wear well in advance of the game?
Clubs do register their home & away colours
And is there a register of what kits clash? Is it written down anywhere whether Bohs can wear their away kit when Waterford are wearing their home kit?Quote:
Originally Posted by centre mid
Not sure but its not a secret or anything, common-sense should have dictated but obvioulsy not here. Cork refusing to change, allegedly, is childish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bald Student
Common sense should have dictated that Bray had an away kit that didn't clash with the home kits of the only two sides they'd need to wear it againstQuote:
Originally Posted by centre mid
Based upon the assumption that those are the rules, Cork City have gotten off lightly here. Had they worn their away kit there was no problem. What reason other than stubborness could they have for refusing to change? The away kit had all their sponsors and logos on it. Bray arrived in good faith with both sets of approved kit. The ensuing fiasco can't have endeared eL football to their current sponsors and any which they might pursue in the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by harps1954
Cork City - riding the EL solid since 2007.:)
Seemingly it is. Whether Bohs away clashes with Waterford home depends largely on who you talk to. It's my opinion that such things should be decided long before the day of a match.Quote:
Originally Posted by centre mid
Can we get proof that this rule is actually in the rulebook?
Hold on, Bray or any other club are entitled to have whatever colours they want as a 2nd gear whether or not it clashes or not, Cork (or any club for that matter) have a change gear aswell, Bray shouldnt have had to wear that ridiculous gear with gaffer tap over the sponsor logo.Quote:
Originally Posted by TommyGaynor
But the point is the away shouldn't have been approved as it didn't solve the clashing problemsQuote:
Originally Posted by Sniffer
No they're not entitled to wear whatever colours they want as an away, they're change colours, designed to avert a clash with the home side. Bray's away kit clearly doesn't do this, as Rovers had to wear black at home to Bray earlier in the year as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by centre mid
That's because the home team has the advantage of playing at home. It's the same in Europe too (or at least was a few years ago).Quote:
Originally Posted by harps1954
Clubs can still pick their own colours, even if they are likely to be the same as another clubs - thats why every club has a change of strip aswell. i.e. Bray brought home and away strip to the cross, ref wasnt happy to let the clash go ahead, Cork shoulf wear their change - happens all the time in Junior football - the owness is on the home team to changeQuote:
Originally Posted by TommyGaynor
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Originally Posted by centre mid
But what if every club was like Bray and their away kit was too similar to the home? If City still had their 2005 away of white jerseys and green shorts what would have happened at Turner's Cross that night? The point is, Bray should not be allowed to have an away kit that fails to avoid the colour clash created by the similarity of the two homes
I tend to agree with Tommy here. Whatever about what happened in Cork, surely there must be something done at the start of the season to ensure a clubs away colours are sufficiently different to their home colours.
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Originally Posted by Super Rovers
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Originally Posted by superfrank
Did any of you actually read the explanation posted before replying?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pablo
I think the rulebook is supposed to be on the FAI website now.Quote:
Originally Posted by TommyGaynor
Obviously, while it appears Cork were due to be fined under the rules, the FAI should by rights be fined for letting Bray register an away jersey which is so close to their home jersey, but that's not going to happen anytime soon. Also, as Bald Student noted, there's no reason why it can't be decided long in advance which colours clash, and let clubs know about this.
But hey, brand new league...
The rules state:
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13 Club Colours
13.1 Each Participant Club shall register two sets of colours to be used. All jerseys shall be numbered on the back. Goalkeepers must wear colours, which distinguish them from other players and the match officials. Sponsors advertising on team gear must receive the prior approval of the League Director before each season commences. Rules governing sponsorships and team kit are described in Schedule Three Commercial Rules, which must also be adhered to.
13.2 In the event of two Clubs playing in the same colours, the Away Club shall change colours when such Clubs meet in competition. In the event of there still being a colour clash, the Home Club shall change colours to the referee’s satisfaction. In all cases the referee’s decision on the necessity for any Club to change colours shall be final.
And Cork's away kit is black and yellow, which barring any referee kit or problems telling black from white under floodlights, seals the deal. Cork should have gotten fined under the rules. But Bray still shouldn't have been allowed register such a similar away kit.
What happened when Rovers played in Cork? Their kits are the same. Or when Rovers played Bray? All four of their kits are green and white.
Rovers' away is all black, they wore it in Cork and Bray, and as previously mentioned, at home to Bray because Bray's away doesn't solve the clashing problems.
Oh, OK. Colours of football has it as all white.
The FAI should not have let Rovers & Bray register away kits that were so similar to their home strip. But the referees need to be told cop on also. Cork v Galway, in the second game of the season, Cork wore green& white, Galway wore their white away jersey, Richie Winter & his officials had no problem with that. Galway v Pats in April, Galway wore maroon strip Pats, red & white, again Alan Kelly had no problem with this. Lasf friday Galway had to wear white away strip & Pats their 'Barcelona' away strip. The reason, the ref decided that both Pats strips clashed with Galways home kit. The referee? A certain Mr Alan Kelly who had no problem with a colour clash in April!!!!
The refs would never survive in the GAA
Bray's away kit is sufficiently different. Its just that both are similar to corks. Which has very little to do with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by noby
Pats away kit is COMPLETELY different to home but Galway were made wear their away kit. No big deal. Unless a club is looking to be awkward
It's not sufficiently different to the home kits of either of the two clubs they'd need to wear it against!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
City might not have changed, but theres more at fault for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demoshield
If at the start of the season you had to pick out clubs that might have these problems, then Rovers and Bray would be two of them for me. To let them register those away kits so similar is madness, and fingers shoe be pointed.
Good administration will avoid this happening ....... Bad administration wont.
On the Cork and Galway game that demoshield mentioned, it was actually a small bit confusing, I don't know why Galway didn't wear maroon, as they did a few weeks ago
Mt problem with it is that, one, the rule is stupid and, two, in the eyes of the ref Bray were the guilty party by not bringing a "sufficient" jersey.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Yes and I feel the rule is very poor. I'll restate it. The ref clearly saw the jersey situation as Bray's problem : our jersey wasn't up to his very high standards and, whilst I feel he's wrong there, the ref's decision is final and you get on with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
The ref was given a workable solution, which he (it appears) tried to invoke - namely, make Cork play in away kit. They refused, they got fined. Bray were being awkward by not having a proper away kit; Cork were breaking the rules by not wearing theirs. There's the difference. The jersey situation was as much Cork's fault as Bray's in the ref's view - not just Bray's fault as you say - and he tried to get them to change too, but they refused.
Bray shouldn't have been allowed register the white away top in the first place, but in the context of this one game and the resulting fine, that's neither here nor there.
Or Cork's jersey is too similar to both of Bray's kits. And don't even start on "well they're our club colours", as we've all seen Cork wear white, red and green seperately and together as home colours....Quote:
Originally Posted by TommyGaynor
Regardless of history (though while we're on the subject, within the past ten years Bray have had white, green and striped home jerseys), Cork were the home team and therefore the visitors should have had a kit that would not have resulted in a clash. By the same token I wouldn't expect Cork to travel to Bray and only have kits that would force Bray to change. Bray had this problem away to Rovers tooQuote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
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Originally Posted by Dodge
I don't tend to agree. Not having a go at Bray here, specifically, but if your home jersey is a combination of two colours (50/50 as opposed to trim), then if one of those two colours is your away jersey, then I don't think they're sufficiently different.
Foot.ie summed up nicely in one sentence there. :)Quote:
I don't tend to agree.
Eh, our away kit is all black, i fail to see how thats even vaguely similar to green & white hoops, white shorts & white socks!? You'd need some kit to clash with both of those!! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Demoshield
Koh
FS, will some of you grow up ! some of the posts in this thread are just childish.
Why all of a sudden is clashing jerseys such a BIG problem this season ? We have had the same home and away gear for the last number of years and not once has there been a problem up until this season. Our home and away jerseys are very different and can be easily distuingished from each other. As i said, why all the fuss this season when in all other season there has not been a problem what so ever.
Also, As the rules state, that if the 2 sets of jeresys clash then the home side must wear there away jersey. These are the ruls, Cork unsportingly refused and were then fined for this. End of.
In fairness, Bray brought their two kits down.
The ref decided that both clashed with our home jersey.
The rules are quite clear, we should have worn our away strip.
We didn't.
We deserve the fine.
It's comical though that in the same week Rico gives out about fans causing the club to be fined €100 for lighting a flare, the club themkselves incur a fine ten times as large through their own stupidity/stubborness/superstition.
Whether the rule is daft or not is irrelevant.