NO way stan will walk and Delaney aint gonna push him either..if he makes it to the end of the qualifiers in 3rd place he will be kept on and we will continue to go backwards...
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NO way stan will walk and Delaney aint gonna push him either..if he makes it to the end of the qualifiers in 3rd place he will be kept on and we will continue to go backwards...
not 100% sure but I think so... pretty criminal to give a complete novice that sort of contract length.
contarct is till 2010 afaik and he will have to be paid out
Anyone able to post a video of dunphy's etc comments after? :D
Giles and Brady talked sense but another
Dunphy, the parish pump "champion of the common man" rant. Give me a break.
After the farcical train jibe?
Dunphy "do you think you can go straight into managing without experience"?
He didn´t say much after Brady said "well John did"
Giles replied "yes I did".
According to Dunphy We have great players eg.Doyle Hunt, even Long and Potter coming through, Given, Dunne, O´Shea Duff - not 'Andy Reid, he is just a championship player'.
Why? because Dunphy doesn't rate Reid, he wouldn´t admit that the championship player held his own out there.
Compare
Dunphy "a terrific squad of gifted and confident players"
Brady "no world class or extremly talented but about 6 very good players
as a nucleus and a fair share of good players"
Giles " not looking at whether they are world class but what I look at is are you getting the best of what is available, I don't think we are"
Lets do a whip round and give him his pay day, get O'Leary in and give him a shot at the WC quailfications.
I dont know or cant speak for anyone on this forum but I am ****ing heartbroken during the match i was gutted that we didnt turn up, the same team selection as saturday was nuts and the introduction of Hunt (forced) was what we needed. Another shagging summer of watching the Euro finals with no Ireland breaks my heart. Truely im devestated.
I think Dave O'Leary is the man for the job, hard and all as he is to take! He was fairly successful at Leeds, 5 top 5 finishes. Although he spent alot of money he did bring through some good young players like Woodgate, Smith etc. He had 1 very good season at Villa and 2 not so great. He is the best man for the job. At least we'd have a bit of structure and organisation.
Stan must go, but he won't and Delaney will not sack him as he'd be admitting to making a mistake.
Dunphy was spot on last night, broke Brady's heart but at least he was man enough to admit it amd Giles as ever was right on the money.
Stan has to go. We saw last night for 30 minutes the team that most supporters and pundits would have picked for the last two matches and the improvement was huge. It only came about because Stephen Ireland left and JOS got injured.
As much as I like Stan the player it has shown he is either clueless or plain pigheaded as a manager. The players and the fans deserve better.
I thought the RTE lads were good last night (even if Dunphy was a little over the top). You have to admire Brady for his frankness. You wouldn't get that on Sky or the BBC.
I'd have no problems with a foreign coach. We need someone with a relatively successful record of working with a limited budget in club football, or previous experience on the international stage. That's the criteria for an international manager for a country like ours.
The only argument in Staunton favour is that he is learning the job but the management of the National Team is not the place to be learning your trade. Its a disgrace this novice is in charge of our football fortunes until 2010.
I disagree with calls for guys like O'Leary and Aldridge to get the job. International football is an entirely different discipline to club management and the time has come to get someone who is a proven international manager. Real tactical nous is needed when there's no chequebooks around; someone with the resume of Guus Hiddink or as suggested elsewhere Roy Hodgson would be my choice.
The desperate cries for O´Leary, are like the rantings of the religious right when another end of the world scenario looms.
Or simply the realisation that the current set up is irreparably broken and there are very few credible candidates to take over?
You can stay calm and measured all you like but , the odd bit of hyperbole apart (I now accept after reading your quotes), Dunphy was correct.
Are you happy that things can get better if nothing much is changed?
Hiddink is the man who should have got the job when he was available. The FAI bottled it because he would have wanted to change the whole structure of football in this country....which is totally needed. Hiddink would have wanted a stronger local league and would have wanted a full time academy set up. Obviously this would have put us in a much better psoition but the FAI were too afraid to do it and would still be. They have and always will have the wrong attitude to winning and qualifying for big Championships. I think a foreign coach, who is a good motivator as well as having a proper football brain, is the way forward with Kerr taking charge of the underage set-up again. Wouldn't fancy O'Leary too much to be honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by el punter
You are correct on Hiddink. A candidate of his calibre is whats needed. However I suspect we will end up :Quote:
Originally Posted by westside hoop
- being stuck with Stan til 2010.
- getting either O' Leary, Aldo ......
However, Brian Kerr has had his chance in the international setup and his results/performances were no better than Stans. I wouldnt have it within 100 miles of the setup ... and neither would a competent international manager like Hiddink.
bottom line is Stan chose to stay 'loyal' to his players from Sat night. Making only 1 enforced change. When it was plain for all to see that the likes of Kelly (@ LB) and McGeady were nowhere near the races.
Loyalty is all well and good in the long run - possibly stay loyal by selecting a player in the squad if you want - but in make or break one-off must win situation it is totally naïve to start a player who is not up to the job. I think that his inexperience was there for all to see on that decision alone.
Dunphy wasn't faultless. He is a two faced snake in the grass who will express any opinion which could contradict an opinion uttered only a few days previously just for the sake of being controversial. Before the Slovak game he said "McShane was an accident waiting to happen", that Reid was an average Championship player and that our midfield is just not good enough for this standard of football. Last night he says we should be playing at the Euro 2008 finals because of the players we have and he lists among them, John O'Shea :eek: It is a total contradiction of what he said the previous game and I have it on tape to prove it. Of course I agreed with him about Hunt and Kelly (should be at right full) but then so did 90% of every other football fan. Nothing quality about that. He said players shouldn't go directly in to international football management until his hero Giles, pointed out that he did. As for the train analogy, if you been sitting in the front seat of a train hundreds of times watching a driver do his job, I think you could drive a train but all Bill can do is laugh. He is hopeless at arguing with the utter S**te he comes out with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
The FAI hire Stan, not the country so we might be rolling in dosh but that is irrelevant to Stan's remuneration or what we can afford to pay a manager. He scoffed at the predecessors (Kerr and McCarthy) - the absence of Charlton from that list was interesting. If the FAI could afford someone better, why wouldn't they hire them? The truth is no top class manager is interested in the job for 400K a year and the FAI can't afford to pay Stan off. No mention of this in the quality broadcasting. As ever no balance or contrary opinion. I'd love to get on that panel and show him up for the charlatan he is.
on Stans over all inexperience for the job I disagree with Dunphy that just because he hadn't managed a team prior that should exclude someone from managing the national team.
John Giles (Ireland) and Royston Keane (Sunderland) are both neck deep in the Moral Courage which Dunphy talks of and both went straight to management from playing.
HOWEVER, some can do and some cannot. I think Stan is unfortunately not in the can bracket. It isn't just because he is a novice but moreso a lack of knowhow for the task at hand.
And as for the FAI giving him a 4 year contract while being totally inexperienced at any level.... well thats CRIMINAL.
Take this as an example, you interview well for a new job but have no experience to speak of; however the company decide to hire you anyhow. Now would it be normal for you to undergo a period of Probation or would the company give you a 4 year contract straight off - bearing in mind your inexperience???
As a person with no experience you would take the job on no contract (or very short term) as you beleive in your own ability to do the task at hand and as you would be so happy to get it in the first place! after all you would probably feel that you would have no right to play hardball (like a more experienced person for the position would) and try and hold out for a permanent/long term deal!!!
Bottom line is the FAI are at fault, not necessilary for appointing a novice, but for giving him a deal whereby financially they are unable to get rid of him if he isn't up to the job!
Agree with that. The 4 year contract was madness and I said it at the time. Most people when they go for a new job are given a probationary period. Not 4 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by galwayhoop
Its an unbeliveable turanaround by the FAI that they should stand by the manager now, considering how easily they bowed down to the 'McCarthy out Keane back in' brigade and sacked a manager who had built a team capable of both qualifying for and competing in the later stages of a world cup
Dunphy´s pretends to be a mob politician, (whatever its called when the mob surround the jail and want to hang the prisoner on the nearest tree).Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
I don´t care with what is actually right in his content, it´s the mob psychology rampage that is repugnant. In fact Dunphy wouldn´t be fit to spit on Stan´s boots nor any of the past managers he has spewed upon.
I´d agree with what Giles said, he is spot on. I have respect for Stan and what he tried to do, albeit not very well, but Stan put his faith and belief in certain players to deliver a type of performance and for the team to play a certain type of game.
Last night after being totally played off the park for 35 minutes we had 10 mins of a spark followed by a 2nd half of being comfortably contained, reduced to a few gammy goal chances. With Kerr, only the Keane return kept some optimism afloat after the Swiss debacle. Stan doesn´t have much of a defence by now.
Who wouldn´t want a good manager now?
It´s interesting listening to what other managers or potentential managers have to say about our players, team selection, tactics, strengths. You´d be surprised at the amount of wackiness going around.
re DOL, It is not a solution to create another problem.
I'm not sure I've heard anything from other managers.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
I've no time for a lot of what Dunphy has said or they way he has said it in the past, but I thought the RTE panel's dissection of the failings were pretty incisive and fairly presented.
Team construction, balance, looking at players' match form rather their training form, learning on the job etc.
There's no stand out alternative and I think DOL may just be the best of an uninspiring lot. I've a very open mind on it.
What I don't have an open mind on is that we made a botch of this campaign, it's been a long time since we've been totally out with 3 games to go - and even before that we were clutching at straws. The only encouraging signs were in friendlies.
the lads outside the jail are known as a 'Lynch Mob', i have never heard of a mob politician though. i know what you are getting at though, Dunphy loves to lead the Witch Hunt/Lynch Mob!!Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
These are basics!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
I don't need any other manager to tell me these ditties! anyone who has played football at ANY level know about the players who are brilliant in training but anonomous when it comes to games and also the reverse of those who don't train particulary well but are immense in games.
as for team construction and balance - well for a start the best players in their best positions ... and if possible left sided players on the left and right sided on the right unless there are no other options :cool:
As for learning on the job...... in what other field are you afforded 4 years to learn the basics when you are supposidely in the top position for your trade in the country!!!!!!!
I was just pointing out all of the simple but accurate points they made.
You should have let it ride, we wouldn´t have known.
fair enough!Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
but in fairness I think that everyone with even the basics could point out these.... oh ... except our Gafhur
Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Dunphy is right
Yes Dunphy was right, and I am not a Fan of his either, but I fear after the mood settles and the average punters thoughts move elsewhere and we start another spring with a only a batch of friendlies against teams warming up for European Championship - Stan and Delaney will still be holding their Posts and we the fans get feed the usually crap about a building process in place , ya right!the spine of the team are well in their prime, Dunne, Given, Finnan, Duff, Keane, Kilbane etc - are they still being blooded?Quote:
Originally Posted by backtowalsall
I as a Fan have travelled extensively since I started earning a decent salary, my first trip was Russia 2002, a resounding defeat, but it was new ground I loved the experience building up to the match the craic etc, the nervous tension before the big game and most importantly I really felt like a real Fan, I kicked every ball from the stand in the locomotiv (spelling?) stadium in Moscow, I felt desperately depressed afterwards, but the experience was enough to drag me back again on countless trips to Switzerland, Cyprus, Scotland, France, Israel, Faroe Islands, all these trips although enjoyable produced preformance that were less than encouraging, at all times I felt bad management was to blame in some shape or form, and I finally decided after our 1-0 loss to Germany I was being short changed and Shafted by Irish Football, I spent a fortune on trips following the Boys in Green, attending Friendlies, keeping an eye on our talent in the premiership, But my conclusion marries exactlly with Dunphys Sentiments that we are gettin Rinky Dink Coaches too manage promising players..
So to conclude if I stop going to Friendlies and boarding planes and following my team around Europe because I believe the hierarchy in the FAI are hoodwinking me by putting in trainee coaches of little experience or pedigree cause they are Cheap? Does that make me a Fairweather Fan or unpatriotic?
I believe your question to be somewhat rhetorical, but no harm in offering a response in the current climate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reality Bites
The loyalty of fans is taking for granted so much by those who haven't paid for a match ticket in decades. There is only so much sh1t any supporter will be fed by the decision makers of the game. Revolution is needed, yes Dunphy is hysterical, but the majority of the posters on this board have been calling for Stan out before he was ever in - rightly so. We are in a poor place at the moment, a 3rd rate footballing nation in European terms.
This is not going to improve without experts calling the shots. We have a blundering rookie and an elderly, ill man as his mentor. They're nice guys, they're trying hard, but it's not good enough.
We must turn up at Croker and show our discontent. Show it loudly and clearly. The results on the field v Germany and Cyprus matter far less than the results which are needed off the field.
Delaney is a master politician, he will ride out this storm quietly in the hope that it passes - and in the meantime another qualifying campaign will be spunked away.
Are we going to look back in years to come and say these were dark days for Irish football and just blame Delaney - or do we blame ourselves for letting it happen.
The man is not a military dictator, he does not own Irish football, he will fold and give the people what they want, but we must make that abundantly clear to the FAI, the media and the Irish public.
[quote=el punter;770920]We must turn up at Croker and show our discontent. Show it loudly and clearly. The results on the field v Germany and Cyprus matter far less than the results which are needed off the field.
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What is the best way to do that? I'd hate to think of us being like those England fans when they played Andorra.
I think the black t-shirt protest mooted elsewhere on foot.ie is a good idea. This forum is probably the best place to co-ordinate the whole thing. Some press releases would highlight awareness for what's going on, and there's little the FAI stasi could do to stop it.Quote:
Originally Posted by shanekerins
I like the black t-shirt idea, support the team but not the organisation, makes it clear who we are mad at. Best I've heard so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by el punter
How about having writing on the T-Shirts:
Front:
I Support
IRELAND
Back:
NOT
the
FAI
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Originally Posted by City till I Die
yeah and Jack charlton was rubbish too!:rolleyes:
I think we all would, but the fact of the matter is, there are very few (if any) Irish managers qualified to take on an international side. You have to put personal preference aside in favor of what is best for the team, if that means a foreign manager, then so be it.Quote:
Originally Posted by City till I Die
I agree, we have given 2 100% Irish managers a shot and see where it's gotten us. It's time to get the best manager available who we can afford and who will take the job, regardless of his nationality, Irish or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
That has always been the key issue, even before Staunton was given the job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irish_Praha
Does anyone really believe that a top manager/coach would want to take on a team that is only rated as a third seed and certainly outside the top 20 in Europe?
Agree with this, particularily the sentiments about Brady. TBH I've never liked him as an analyst or critic, but I'll applaud him for being honest when it hurt him obviously so much, and added to the fact that it was a mate of his he was having to dissect. Kudos Brady, kudos!Quote:
Originally Posted by The Ball Boy