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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
You can't rule it out. We all now know that Reid does his best work through the middle so by that logic Stan will think he's Ryan Giggs and tell him to stick wide and take players on.
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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
You can't rule it out. We all now know that Reid does his best work through the middle so by that logic Stan will think he's Ryan Giggs and tell him to stick wide and take players on.
Stop it, now stuts.Quote:
Looking at the team, does anyone think Stan may be thinking of putting KK in the middle with Reid and McGeady playing wide, swapping sides through the game?
as I said leaving aside who you would or wouldnt pick...on the basis of last saturdays performance this team wont beat czechs. Carsley kept hoofing the ball upfield to nobody in particular on saturday. stephen kelly(who I liked against the czechs at lansdowne.) was brutal on sat. you wont beat footballing teams if you keep giving them the ball back. FACT!Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
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Originally Posted by drinkfeckarse
It's hardly just for the sake of it.
So how to you suggest we advance to being a better team?? Just leave it as it is and hope that these things work themselves out??
yeah, but cause & effect. Carsley hoofed the ball beacuse Ireland wasn't anywhere to be seen and Reid is less likely to give the ball away.
That's the theory. In practise I expect the Czechs to monopolise possession but we'll score from Doyle knocking in the rebound after Robbie fails to beat Cech in a 1-on-1. We'll then retreat and they'll hit the post 8 times and we'll hold out for a famous victory that will see Stan getting a contract extension.
Please God no. Andy Reid on the right of midfield v Switzerland October 2005 has to be one of the worst performances I've ever seen from any Irish player.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
maybe he wasnt picked for saturday because he went on a session on the sauce ( leading up to the game )? Of the ketchup kind that is
Thought McGeady was brutal on Saturday, don't think he should start on Wednesday. IMO
Swapping a player who doesn't look to be up to it for a player who quite clearly isn't up to it is definately for the sake of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by mackannovic
I'd rather try someone from the U/21's or below than put in a player that will never be better than an average Championship player. If Geary was 21 I'd say yes but he's not, he's about 27 and will not improve much if at all.
Kelly, while being poor for us, is young enough to get better and if not there are other young lads out there who will young enough to advance and get better.
Lads I have stopped myself posting since the Ireland match for a number of reasons firstly that everyone would be calling for Stan’s head and secondly because i was suicidal. The showing was nothing more than awful and the subs well dreadful I could not believe my eyes or ears. Even my wife who knows nothing about football and is from Mauritius said and I quote why has he not taken the bald fellow off he’s **** coupled with Mc Geady and O shea. The selection this time is poor and shows stans inability to manage or even learn from his mistakes that’s what’s so frustrating a first division player taken on in an important international match and decent championship players overlooked embarrassing and down right disgraceful
McGeady does feck all defensively and when he gets the ball in his own box he tries to dribble out with it. Stan probably feels that playing O'Shea, because of his experience, behind him is a better option than Kelly. Would prefer to see Kilbane left back and Hunt left midfield. KK is reportedly playing well at LB for Wigan. We know Hunt will run up and town like a terrier all day. Reid in centre midfield might unlock a few doors for McGeady and the front men. Would expect a better performance from Doyle up front. I think we're in for a long, tough night at the coalface. Think Hunt is paying for turning up injured for the trip to America and telling no one plus a few remarks he made on the squad selection. If he is, that's wrong. Results are more important than the managements pride.
My thoughts exactly.
When did Hunt make his remarks about his brother? It can't have been before the Denmark game.
If Stan is flexing his muscle then it's the mark of an obstinate idiot at the expense of everyone who cares about how the team does.
Stan brings so much pressure on himself. If you go and look at peoples opinions of the starting 11 we should have had starting against Slovakia most people were in agreement with the starting 11, maybe only differing on Ireland or Reid in the centre. The Stan goes and picks the team he does:confused:. Again if you put anyone from this forum into Stans situation on saturday night during the game im sure we would all have made similiar substitutions to one another but totally opposite to Stan. I really get the feeling that he is trying desperatly to prove this is his team, he runs it the way he wants to and because of this idiology his choices can seem downright baffling at times. Never was this more obvious than with the substitutions on Saturday, he was trying to prove a point that he didnt need to use Andy Reid, Hunt or to a lesser extent Long or Keogh. I mean how long did it take the man to realise Carsley deserved to be in the squad. Stubbornly he refused to call him up and now he has him as the heartbeat of the team. How can his opinion go from one extreme to another. He strikes me as a guy who is treating the job like he is playing Football Manager on his PC. Incidently i wonn the European championships in 2012 in my game........only 2 years after Stan was sacked. 2 more years of Stan:(
Also im fairly sure Geary isnt a regular starter for Sheffield united so we certainly should look past that
this article on eleven-a-side about it - http://www.eleven-a-side.com/boysing...p?newsid=28424 - is dated July 12, so just over a month before the Denmark gameQuote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
And a fair point he made too!
Not realy suprised with the selection, we have no right-mid fielder for years now and MCGeedy gets stuck out there because no-one else wants the job. Last left-back was Ian Harte, he might be back for Germany.
I hope Reid does the business or else we are finished.
Hunt and long to come on with 25 mins remaining to win it for Ireland!
McGeady is much better playing on the left.He needs to be that bit quicker
with his delivery and he can cause problems.We will know after the first ten minutes whether hes going to be brillant or awful.
There was also an article in, I think, the Sunday Times where he admited carrying an injury to the states.
As for McGeady, time after time on Saturday he had the chance to get the ball in early but took too many extra touches. Drove me to excessive drinking:(
Who will Stan bring on as subs? Now that really worries me. If Gibson, Douglas and Murphy are going to be his choices again then forget about winning this game.
Is Hunt being punished for going to America with an injury??? Hell i think he deserves praise for going to what was a pretty pointless end of season tournamnet. He would have played a hell of a lot of games that season too. Nice to see him going with a knock when you had certain players pulling our for family reason i.e. they had booked the holiday to Portugal
All the nonsense predates Hunt starting against Denmark where he played POORLY. McGeady played very good.
McGeady was given a vote of confidence to start in the team.
A vote of confidence means, ye played crap but we still believe in you.
A vote of confidence does not mean ye played crap so feck off back to the bench.
I´m all for stability, I hope McGeady plays a stormer.
And Hunt comes on as a sub with 20 minutes playing time.
I just wish we introduced Hunt on Saturday. Ignoring Stan's team selection I'd move Killer to LB and have Hunt on left wing. O'Shea and Kelly can toss a coin for the right back spot.
Great rational post, this is what I am hoping for too, as i cnat see mcgeady playing in the last 20 mins unless searching for a goal. Unfortunately this is waht I hoped the last day too, but then on came douglas and murphy.......I almost think staunton thought we had it won and was giving murphy the chance to get international competitive actionQuote:
All the nonsense predates Hunt starting against Denmark where he played POORLY. McGeady played very good.
McGeady was given a vote of confidence to start in the team.
A vote of confidence means, ye played crap but we still believe in you.
A vote of confidence does not mean ye played crap so feck off back to the bench.
I´m all for stability, I hope McGeady plays a stormer.
And Hunt comes on as a sub with 20 minutes playing time.
He was voted fans favourite for August.Quote:
Originally Posted by carloz
http://www.scotland-mad.co.uk/news/l...601&teamno=463
MOTM
http://www.scotland-mad.co.uk/news/l...594&teamno=463
Incidentally, Derek Geary was named fans favourite during the 1-0 victory over West Bromwich Albion at Bramall Lane last weekend.
http://www.scotland-mad.co.uk/news/l...862&teamno=463
Sheffield United defending duo Chris Morgan and Derek Geary were named in the Championship Team of the Week; as named by the Football League.
MOTM v Colchester
http://www.sheffutd.vitalfootball.co...le.asp?a=78741
So two MOTM awards and a POTM award for Geary. Now let me check through the news for Stephen Kelly.....tap.. tap.. tap..ah now their is a ssurprise - absolutely nothing.
Now which one will big Stan pick? The man in form or the one who had done f**k all. Well I think you know the answer to that one.
He was first choice most of last season and has played 3 out of 4 this season (MOTM twice and third choice in the other IIRC), he must be first name on the team sheet.
I don't agree with the Hunt or McGeady debate. I would rather start the Hunt AND McGeady debate. McGeady is naturally right footed and as far as i know, the right wing is his prefered position. I certainly remember him causing problems there when he came on against the dutch, all be it that we were 4-0 down by then.
Why would he name the team so early? Managers used to always play cat and mouse with each other until an hour or so before kick off. Is this more naivety? God only knows if it's a stunt and he changes something before kick off to throw the Czechs off. He did say he was going to make a few changes, so what has he found out since Sunday that stopped him? He admitted the pitch was sapping and the players tired. It looks rather odd to me.
Ireland are 5/1 with Totesport :eek:
That is an incredible price. When these teams last met Ireland were a lot poorer and the Czechs have seemed to have gotten worse if anything. I think Ireland will beat the Czechs tonight as the Czechs like Ireland are rubbish. In fact this is a really rubbish group.
Ireland to win and Staunton will keep his job :mad:
The Czechs are no great shakes but they are at home and even if we go up a goal, I can't see us holding onto it unless we score in the last minute. 1-1 draw is my prediction
F**k it. Come on Ireland. Head says it'll be a nervous draw between two out-of-form teams. Heart says that we'll be the only team on the pitch who gives a f**k about qualification. We give out about our players underperforming and not caring about the jersey - what about the Czechs? They were rubbish in Lansdowne and without Koller, who do they have? Nedved? Retired. Rosicky? Lightweight. Baros? Headless. Galasek? About 104 years old. Plasil?!
We've every chance. They're not Barcelona. They're not Brazil. What happened in Bratislava was typical bad luck, see Brussels 83, Turkey/Lineker 91, Skopje 99. No-one is to blame, but everyone likes a scapegoat (even me, in the heat of the moment). Everyone likes to think that they could do better. If we had survived the last minute in Bratislava, we would all be optimists, despite being in almost the same position that we now find ourselves.
I think we have better players than the Czechs. We should not be afraid. And this pessimistic knee-jerk stuff that I've read, about 'Irish football being crap', restructuring the youth system, dissolving the Eircom League, decrying the foreign players in the EPL; shouldn't be instigated by a toe-poke from a nobody Slovakian. I'd rather blame our current misfortune on the absence of a fully-fit Duff/Finnan/Steven Reid and the relative youth (naivety) of our more promising players. Lets not forget that Jack Charlton's results suffered badly in the face of injuries to key players. (eg, Spain in '93)
Lets not rule ourselves out... just yet. I won't believe that we're out until we drop more points in this group. It's still in our own hands. As for Staunton, I don't care who's in charge; the players take the final responsibility. We can still qualify. I don't like Staunton as a person, then again, I don't like Paul McCartney either. And what did he do, despite his lack of personality? :)
Come on Ireland!!!
Harrumph!!!.....
We can do it!!
Andy Reid is gonna be key tonight.. Thing is you can't get ninety good minutes out of him and we've no replacement or alternative available on the bench so I hope he hits the ground running.
i wasn't sold on staunton when he was appointed, but after having met the guy on 2 occassions (at a practice prior to wales game in croker) and at half time during ireland / bolivia game in Boston, he comes across as an absolute gentleman. He may not be 'guus hiddink" on the "astute manager"scale, but i can not say i dislike the guy. supremefeet - you are a true fan though. I share your optimism, i havent slept a fookin wink since saturday night, and have replayed every possible scenario in my mind as to what will happen tomorrow. i'm settling for the ireland 2-0 scenario, with Stan to get it right. hunt and Long coming on with half an hour to go, and a glorious night in prague (and Tampa!)Quote:
Originally Posted by Supreme feet
I'm with you two lads. There's 90 minutes to play against a team we can no doubt compete with. We have to believe, fight for every ball, take the game to the Czechs and take the chances when they come. We don't have Ronaldinho, but neither do they. One good run and McGeady beats his man or stretches the defense in the process, one great pass from Reid gives Robbie a chance. This is not a game plan, just a reminder that we're not hopeless. We have impact subs, and here's hoping they'll be utilized. The campaign is still in our hands despite plenty of blunders, who's to say we can't finally get it right. The team that wins tomorrow is the team that wants it the most on the day. That's why we'll all be watching, because we know it could be us.
I'm not sure if this has been responded to, but I have to address the wingback debate.
People criticizing Stan for playing Kelly and O'Shea "on their wrong wings."
Kelly is a right back, and O'Shea is a centre back who plays everywhere but centre back.
That said, Kelly has played at left back for Birmingham more than O'Shea has played left back for United this term, if that means anything to anybody.
As for Derek Geary, he is a right footed RIGHT BACK that is improvised as a left back at Sheffield United (and I think he's pretty good, if lacking a bit in the pace department).
We have no natural left back in the squad, only players who play their from time to time.
Kilbane is playing there now for Wigan, but has been sent off 2 out of his 4 starts.
He is way too clumsy to be a defender.
Kelly and O'Shea would be my choice to start at wingbacks, Kelly at left back, O'Shea at right.
Anybody genuinely upset over our wingback situation needs to give their heads a shake.
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Originally Posted by Supreme feet
"Rosicky? Lightweight" !!!
The guy is pure class, he is there main player and will cause us lots of problems tonight, no doubt about it
OH Dear.... It will be a massacre..... O'Shea will kick lumps out of him:D:D:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Tuff Paddy
....said keane.Quote:
'We have an understanding. He's got a tremendous left foot and he can see the pass not many other players can, so he is a big player for us.'
I had a dream....that keane scoreds a drop volley into the corner of the net tonight. I hope this one comes true.Quote:
i wasn't sold on staunton when he was appointed, but after having met the guy on 2 occassions (at a practice prior to wales game in croker) and at half time during ireland / bolivia game in Boston, he comes across as an absolute gentleman. He may not be 'guus hiddink" on the "astute manager"scale, but i can not say i dislike the guy. supremefeet - you are a true fan though. I share your optimism, i havent slept a fookin wink since saturday night, and have replayed every possible scenario in my mind as to what will happen tomorrow. i'm settling for the ireland 2-0 scenario, with Stan to get it right. hunt and Long coming on with half an hour to go, and a glorious night in prague (and Tampa!)
... and hopefully that is the last kick of the ball in tonight's game. Otherwise they'll equalise.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
OT Tuff Paddy, no apologies to Westlife necessary, they didn't write that song or record the original version they only covered it