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Grow up ffs. Maybe he doesnt want to be a referee. You'd swear the refs were getting forced and coerced into it. They chose to become refs and get paid well for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by football fan
Now we're not allowed to criticise if we dont want to do it ourselves is it :rolleyes:
We don't pretend to be competent officials, they do
That's a very good point too. From a playing point of view the best refs are the ones who'll talk to you, explain decisions etc. The very worst are the autocratic types who make their pronouncements, explain nothing, and brook no discussion of any sort, even from captains. There seems be a majority of these in the eL. Whether they get that way from fielding abuse or constant whingeing is something I don't know. But it seems to me that taking a few seconds to say, 'look, that's how I saw that happening, so that's why I made that decision' would go a long way.Quote:
Originally Posted by robbiesdrogs
When I played the very best ref used to be a good player himself a few years before, knew all the tricks (especially those of centre-halves, he used to be a forward :D ), kept up with play, had a good rapport with players, was consistent, but most of all talked to the players. When he explained his decisions and why he made them, even if we still thought he was wrong (which was rare), it was impossible not to respect them.
How long does the beginners course last? Also, what level of games can you do after you pass?:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Réiteoir
Not sure how long the course lasts - as when I did mine last season I had my English FA Accreditation with me so I just did the regrading exam.Quote:
Originally Posted by sligoman
You'd normally slot onto one of the Amateur Leagues (UCL, AUL, AFL) and go from there
If referees are so well paid, how come there is a major shortage of referees in this country. I have no idea about LOI referees but we are struggling to recruit and retain referees at schoolboy and junior level. There is more football in ireland than LOI. The abuse and the assualts are major reasons for the shortage. The point I was trying to make was that if the cobh supporter became a referee, even for one match, he would have a better understanding of how difficult the job is and the comments these people receive in the name of sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by micls
Criticism they can handle, the abusive comments is quite a different matter. Referees in junior and schoolboy football dont pretend to be anything other than men and women doing the job to the best of their ability. Dont knock them for that!
I never have. Its the well paid EL ones I and most people have a problem withQuote:
Originally Posted by football fan
He rode Galway United in a cup game against Cork a few seasons ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by bellavistaman
I personally dont think that referees are biased in the eircom league they are just not very good at their job. It is possible that a ref could build up a dislike to a player or team due to the amount of times that they have to referee certain teams games but the pro-Dublin thing is a total red herring in my opinion, funny how Pat Dolan or Damien Richardson never noticed or mentioned it before going to manage Cork.
There isnt a league in the world where people think that the referees are up to standard which leads me to the conclusion that it must be a very hard job to do.
bad referees with a superiority complex plus attitude to match are what we are talking about and they are generally found in the EL
Most of the criticism of refs in this thread are totally valid imo. Probably the majority of them are inconsistent. Some of them are totally incompetent and a minority are totally arrogant (walking in the opposite direction of the offending player and then whistling for him to come back as if he had ran off.)
I wouldn't say any of the refferees are biased.
I think all refs are great,especially Alan Kelly and the little man who was at the Harps match tonight against Wexford!:D
yeah just brill, what an example of some1 wanting to be centre of attention :rolleyes: how can any1 defend this kind of ref? I dont think your sarcasm is harsh enough for that %$^&)(&$$"!$ of an &*^£%^&%$$"£$! hole.Quote:
Originally Posted by corkharps
sam you have issues
Sam is right, from what I've heard from a few lads back from the game tonight he was one of the worst ever refs at Finn Park (that says a lot) FFS it's not rocket science to ref a match or have a bit of common sense in wet conditions or are the FAS refs sent to Division One for their apprenticeships??
To be honest if Wexford had got an equalizer the sh1t would really have hit the fan, this is not on in such an important stage of the season in Division 1, this should not happen as dropping the points tonight would have been a big blow to Harps (or any team in the same position) people like this make the league a laughing stock, them and the “Power Trips they go on at times, I believe Dundalk fans also have a problem this person…
Stop slagging refs, jesus they don't help themselves do they.
Tonight at the Brandywell, Longford number 9 straight through, Pizza halfs him outside the box. Ref gives a peno but doesn't send Pizza off!! Now obviously I don't want our players sent off but Pizza was the last man. Correct decision was Pizza off and free outside the box, Whelan got both wrong. I rest my case get rid of the lot of them and replace them with robots:D
Feckin right I do but my psychiatrist told me not to tell any1 so ..........Quote:
Originally Posted by passerrby
So, you wouldn't be so bothered if they were paid a bit less ?? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by micls
Not as bothered no....It might be a bit more understandable if they were getting paid **** all, everybody works better with incentivesQuote:
Originally Posted by KevB76
Sorry bud, I dont believe that for a second, we've all seen ref's taking abuse at junior and scoolboy level. Dont think anyone thinks in a moment of so called passion "oops, I better tone it down, he's not paid so much". Sniping at their pay is just petty and frankly I dont think its anybodys business, not the likes of you and me anyways. And yes I've heard people grumbling about the pay that junior and schoolboy refs get as well !Quote:
Originally Posted by micls
The refereeing last night in Finn Park was absolutely diabolical. This is twice this season that he reffed us. In Oriel he sent Curran off for two very soft yellow cards and turned away a stonewall penalty.
Last night he dished out 2 reds and about 6 yellows in a game that there wasn't one bad tackle. It is people like this that is helping to destroy the game in this country.
To come out and say that they shouldn't be slagged is a laugh. Mistakes can happen. It is part and parcel of the game. But some refs in this league are no where near the standard and it is these people that annoy the average football fan.
The wee ****** that wrecked the game last night obviously never kicked a ball before in his life as he hadn't a clue. In my opinion, some people get into refereeing because they love the game, others because they love the power. Unfortunately there is too many of the latter in this country.
prettty **** in oriel the weekend too.
I said I wouldnt be as bothered. I cant speak for everyone. So you're saying that you dont expect better quality from someone paid say a few hundred Euro to do a job as opposed 50 euro to do a job? I certainly do. (Random figures)Quote:
Originally Posted by KevB76
Yet another poor decision at the Brandy last Friday night. Here was Longfords penalty decision
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You sureQuote:
Originally Posted by City till I Die
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Originally Posted by kkontour
Yes I am sure because someone has obviously edited that:rolleyes:Look at the line beside Pizza's leg, they forgot to edit that, they forgot to do the line from the byline to the box
Shadows, Shadows, ShadowsQuote:
Originally Posted by City till I Die
SorryQuote:
Originally Posted by City till I Die
forgot the:D
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No, I'm saying I expect a better standard of reffing because of the level they are reffing at, not because of what they are paid. I'm saying their pay should never be an issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by micls
The issue is their competence, and on that matter, I think we do get mostly the best refs available in the el. This is clear to see when you follow junior football, taking limerick district league as an example, someof the refs used in div 3b are ridiculous, they are clearly better in div.1b, and there is a noticable step up in the standard for div 1a. Then when I watch an el game I can honestly say the standard in general is better again compared to the junior refs (although they're are some very good junior refs who could easily make the step up but not all want to).
For all the abuse eL refs get it is the lines-people who are so much worse. I have lost count of the times when the ref makes the decision for throw ins but linesman is closer. If a lineman does not get to make throw in decisions all he is left with a guessing at offside calls as he is 20 yards behind the play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Juanace
Btw they are linemen as to be called an Assistant you need to actually assist the referee.
Agree wholeheartedly.Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
Pizza should have walked then? Last man back by the look of it there.Quote:
Originally Posted by City till I Die
Yes he should have. Dont think he even got a card.Quote:
Originally Posted by fbtn
Watching the weekly last night, referees didnt do themselves any favours again.
I was giving out about the ref sendin the Rams player off the weekend, must apologise it was all the linesman doing.
What was the first Bray player sent off for?
I don't know how they do it in Senior football but at junior and schoolboy level I've met refs who'll tell you to put up the flag when the ball goes out and they'll make the decision as to which way it goes. Now that's all rght if they keep up with the play but when they don't......!!Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
Gettin hammered by a 2 foot lunge:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Risteard
Same as Ventre, two footed tackle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Risteard
bit harsh on him though wasnt it. considering he came out second best.Quote:
Originally Posted by sligoman
His own fault for not being as good as Ventre at it:pQuote:
Originally Posted by bellavistaman
Exactly. When Martin was pulled down by the sligo keeper a few weeks ago the linesman was looking directly at it.Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
It all comes back to respect for the ref. There is none because they dont communicate. Arrogance and attitude problems seems to define their personality. Good example is Kelly.
And yet if you call them into question you get fined. Joeshop.
Although Richard Damienson was wrong about McGuinness' challenge. In all fairness ref did well there.
KOH
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Originally Posted by sligoman
Cant argue with that