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30/07/2007, 10:07 PM
stiofain

Yeah the BBC did a programme about that Welsh speaking community in Argentina. Fascinating stuff.
31/07/2007, 12:33 AM
Metrostars

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Originally Posted by RiffRaff

Argentina have also had a few players with Irish names over the years. One of the goalscorers in the 86 world cup final was of irish descent. I also remember watching an Argentina match on eurosport a few years ago and they had a player called McAllister playing who was apparantly also of Irish descent. Maybe that shouldnt be such a surprise as there was a huge number of Irish people who emigrated to south american countries and there are still some areas in Argentina where Irish is the spoken language.

Jose Luis Brown I think.

Also a few more Americans - recently capped Michael Parkhurst's father is from Cavan. Greg Berhalter's mother is from Galway. Not sure about Brian McBride.
31/07/2007, 1:03 AM
CraftyToePoke

wha about Landon Donovan? and a guy who played in italy a few years back called Fabien O'Neill (i think he was from Uruguay, but is not on the wikpedia list above.)
31/07/2007, 4:45 AM
Noelys Guitar

I remember this "chappie" who wanted to declare for us. It went on for a couple of weeks and then no granny could be found. "Sure I drink Guinness". etc etc. And yes he actually said that. Introducing one Mick Quinn.
http://www.sportcartoons.co.uk/mickquinn.html
31/07/2007, 11:41 AM
RiffRaff

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Originally Posted by holidaysong

Not true. There is a Welsh speaking community in Argentina, not an Irish speaking one.

There are some Irish speaking areas in Argentina. I've read a few articles about it though i cant give a reference to them. I have also been told that by a few Argentinian people.
31/07/2007, 12:22 PM
Metrostars

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Originally Posted by RiffRaff

There are some Irish speaking areas in Argentina. I've read a few articles about it though i cant give a reference to them. I have also been told that by a few Argentinian people.

I read an article recently about how hurling was popular in some parts of Argentina but it more or less did out in the 1940's. Have to dig that one out...
31/07/2007, 12:43 PM
RogerMilla

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Originally Posted by RiffRaff

There are some Irish speaking areas in Argentina. .

i cant find anything about this in google and never heard it before, surely we would have been told that in school and it would be the subject of numerous RTE and TnaG documantaries and visits from hector
31/07/2007, 1:12 PM
OwlsFan

Hate that phrase "plastic paddy":mad:. Usually used by those who don't have blood relatives born abroad. I have two brothers with children born in the UK and Germany. I wouldn't describe them as "plastic paddies" if they were ever good enough to play for Ireland. Countless generations before them came from Ireland.

Thank heavens for the wild geese, that's what I say.
31/07/2007, 1:30 PM
paul_oshea

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I read an article recently about how hurling was popular in some parts of Argentina but it more or less did out in the 1940's. Have to dig that one out...

sunday independent, an article about the buenos aires hurling club, that is still a social club for irish descendants. They like tipperary cos they have the same colours as Boca Juniors :D
31/07/2007, 2:05 PM
lopez

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Originally Posted by RiffRaff

There are some Irish speaking areas in Argentina. I've read a few articles about it though i cant give a reference to them. I have also been told that by a few Argentinian people.

The main Irish newspaper of Argentina is the Southern Cross and is nearly all in Spanish now though originally in English (odd bits are still in English and Irish with basic Irish lessons for beginners). It is truly surreal to see such a publication, mostly bought by people whose family have been in the country for three or more generations.

http://www.thesoutherncross.com.ar/
31/07/2007, 2:55 PM
paul_oshea

go to foxford if you want to learn more!
31/07/2007, 3:10 PM
geysir

Quote:

Originally Posted by RogerMilla

i cant find anything about this in google and never heard it before, surely we would have been told that in school and it would be the subject of numerous RTE and TnaG documantaries and visits from hector

You have a lot a faith in the schooling system:)

I remember listening to a radio docu about some of the Irish Argentinian descendants and they were speaking with thick north munster accents, wierd stuff indeed.
31/07/2007, 4:08 PM
Stuttgart88

Don't they speak with Irish accents in parts of Newfoundland?
31/07/2007, 4:15 PM
tetsujin1979

Isn't there parts of Jamaica where all the names are Murphy/O'Brien/McCarthy/etc ?
I remember a friend of mine telling me about it before
31/07/2007, 5:04 PM
beautifulrock

well in Monserrat they celebrate St Patrick day infact it is a public holiday.
31/07/2007, 5:57 PM
bennocelt

Quote:

Originally Posted by RogerMilla

i cant find anything about this in google and never heard it before, surely we would have been told that in school and it would be the subject of numerous RTE and TnaG documantaries and visits from hector

dont know about an Irish speaking area, but there is a lot of history between ireland and argentina
many irish emmigreated out there or were left stranded
westmeath has an argentina society to reflect many people from the midlands who ended up there (the lucky ones i guess)
and i could mention Boca juniors and the irish connections but then Dodge would be at me again and i would rather leave it!;)
31/07/2007, 10:00 PM
The Legend

I know a few Argies, they are good craic, we share our distaste for the english! Only problem is they think their rugby team is somehow better or at least on the same level... i guess we'll see...
31/07/2007, 10:14 PM
sniffa

Noel Whelan
31/07/2007, 11:20 PM
lopez

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Originally Posted by RogerMilla

i cant find anything about this in google and never heard it before, surely we would have been told that in school...

I doubt the Irish scools history curriculum has emigration as a topic, if my travels supporting Ireland for nearly 26 years is anything to go by. :rolleyes:
01/08/2007, 9:01 AM
Bluebeard

I remember (from school) that the major figure in the foundation of the Argentinian Navy was Irish - I googled it and it's Lt. William Brown. He was the boss man there in their independence fight with Spain.
01/08/2007, 9:44 AM
DeNiro

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Don't they speak with Irish accents in parts of Newfoundland?

Yeh with Waterford accents I'm told!
01/08/2007, 10:50 AM
galwayhoop

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

Isn't there parts of Jamaica where all the names are Murphy/O'Brien/McCarthy/etc ?
I remember a friend of mine telling me about it before

descendants of irish SLAVES!

apparantely:

"Few people today realize that from 1600 to 1699, far more Irish were sold as slaves than Africans."

Read this fascinating article which contains the following gem:

"The planters quickly began breeding the comely Irish women, not just because they were attractive, but because it was profitable,,, as well as pleasurable."
01/08/2007, 11:02 AM
paul_oshea

AGAIN, GO TO FOXFORD AND FIND OUT.

bluebeard i am mainly talking to you there....this time.

Its o'higgins in chile. I remember seeing deportivo O'higgins before hehe.
01/08/2007, 11:06 AM
paul_oshea

Quote:

Isn't there parts of Jamaica where all the names are Murphy/O'Brien/McCarthy/etc ?
I remember a friend of mine telling me about it before

ya they also have the 17th of march as a public holiday. I think its called monserrat ( not montserrat the mountain in spain ). I lived with a girl from st lucia and she used to go on every so often about horny priests planting their seeds, "the horny white monnn cum and plant his seed and then F off", he not know how make luv mon!, quick in and out mon". She was fit enough as well.
01/08/2007, 1:12 PM
Bluebeard

A bit far to travel on a Wednesday afternoon, but I did look it up and this I found this. Quite faciniating really.

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

ya they also have the 17th of march as a public holiday. I think its called monserrat ( not montserrat the mountain in spain ). I lived with a girl from st lucia and she used to go on every so often about horny priests planting their seeds, "the horny white monnn cum and plant his seed and then F off", he not know how make luv mon!, quick in and out mon". She was fit enough as well.

I hope you did your bit to change her mind about horny white men;)
01/08/2007, 1:13 PM
Bluebeard

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Originally Posted by Rovers

theres no irish speaking areas of argentina. maybe a handful of inddividualos who still speak some irish. but no proper irish speaking areas.

It would be the ultimate secondary school Gaeltacht trip if it was though.
01/08/2007, 5:41 PM
SkStu

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Don't they speak with Irish accents in parts of Newfoundland?

its absolutely surreal listening to Newfies speaking. Its like listening to a load of Dubs on stag or something. Hilarious. I was working as field marshall for the Canadian U16 Soccer National Championships and took control of the Newfoundland v Montreal game. It was hilarious listening to the benches. One with thick Irish accents and the other speaking french. They play alot of traditional irish music (fiddles and uileann pipes) in Newfoundland too. Canada is a pretty interesting country.

By the way, i got chatting to the Newfoundland coach after the game and turns out he was from Fairview - about two mins away from where i went to school!
01/08/2007, 8:38 PM
Torn-Ado

Most countries in the civilised world have areas where the people talk with Irish accents.

Some people call them Irish bars ;)
01/08/2007, 9:01 PM
geysir

We could have had Che Guevara.
01/08/2007, 9:10 PM
Torn-Ado

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Originally Posted by geysir

We could have had Che Guevara.

Yeah, On the left wing. And we could have had Martin Sheen too. He has a Galwegian mother. We probably would have played him on the west wing...

:D

Don't bother. I'll get my coat myself. :(
06/08/2007, 4:49 PM
stojkovic

We could have had JFK as a goalkeeper.

Heard he was good between the posts and an excellent shot-stopper.
12/08/2007, 7:29 PM
Junior

Bernardon O'Higgins, Admiral William Brown, Che Guevarra Lynch, Streets & monuments galore after these folk, throughout Chile and Argentina .
13/08/2007, 9:31 PM
RiffRaff

Ryan O'Leary was named in Scotlands under 21 squad today - thats Pierce O'Leary's son (David O'Learys nephew). Having said that he doesnt play for either of the big two in Scotland so he is probably about Eircom League standard.
15/08/2007, 7:03 PM
TheJamaicanP.M.

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

Isn't there parts of Jamaica where all the names are Murphy/O'Brien/McCarthy/etc ?
I remember a friend of mine telling me about it before

No that's not true Tetsujin. I'm the only Jamaican with Irish connections, apart from Clinton Morrison and Marlon King!
15/08/2007, 7:17 PM
TheJamaicanP.M.

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Originally Posted by bennocelt

dont know about an Irish speaking area, but there is a lot of history between ireland and argentina
many irish emmigreated out there or were left stranded
westmeath has an argentina society to reflect many people from the midlands who ended up there (the lucky ones i guess)
and i could mention Boca juniors and the irish connections but then Dodge would be at me again and i would rather leave it!;)

The connections between Ireland and Argentina are very interesting. As mentioned already, Jose Luis Brown scored the first goal in the '86 World Cup Final. Also, I think another man by the name of Brown was very influencial in setting up the Argentinian Navy/Army?? He may have been from Galway. President McAlesse was involved in a ceremony to mark his achievements a few years ago. I've read that it is estimated that around 90% of the Irish that went to Argentina came from Westmeath and Longford. Its understood that a large number of emigrants travelled from the area of Ballymore just outside Athlone. Apparently, most Argentinians of Irish descent speak English with an Irish Midlands accent.

I've also noticed that someone mentioned the Irish descendents in Newfoundland. Is there any truth that a large proportion of the emigrants to go there were from Cavan?

Did anyone see the US playing in the recent U-20 World Cup? They had players by the names of Ward, Bradley, McCarthy and Rogers. Surely some of them would qualify for us.
16/08/2007, 7:50 AM
Billsthoughts

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Originally Posted by TheJamaicanP.M.

Did anyone see the US playing in the recent U-20 World Cup? They had players by the names of Ward, Bradley, McCarthy and Rogers. Surely some of them would qualify for us.

interesting post. however see Joe Lapira thread for reasons why these players wouldnt choose to play for Ireland!:D
20/08/2007, 1:50 PM
The Swordsman

How about Deco.

Apparently, his ma and da were from Coolock :D
20/08/2007, 3:08 PM
greendeiseboy

just seen a thread on a brazilain forum asking a similar question

"how many plastic brazilians from gort have we (brazil) nearly had"

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