Well it's the same BSC that seem to be made perfectly welcome at Dalymount - and can - for example - hang whatever banners they like, wherever they like.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonofstan
Maybe that might be a starting point...?
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Well it's the same BSC that seem to be made perfectly welcome at Dalymount - and can - for example - hang whatever banners they like, wherever they like.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonofstan
Maybe that might be a starting point...?
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Originally Posted by WeAreRovers
WAR
Even if 'Bohs' are well aware of who these people are, what do you actually want? The club cannot control what these little kunts do on a public street whether its a mile from Dalymount or 500 miles from Dalymount.
A group of teenagers [presumably] on a Monday night threw a few missiles at a few hoops on a bus and beat up one or two other hoops on the street.
I really actually dont give a ****, the same way you didnt give a flying fukk about 50-60 Hoops, in jersies/scarfs etc attacking 3 busloads of Bohs fans outside Richmond Park in September 2003. Back then I remember you and the rest of the great unwashed claiming it was a public order issue so I suggest you go the nearest cop shop to Dorset Street and whinge to someone there.
khoop, they are not welcome in Dalyer and thats the main reason a lot are barred.Quote:
Originally Posted by khoop
So that makes it alright then?? :confused::rolleyes: Try and explain that to someone's family who's son/daughter has the bad luck to be set upon by hooligans representing your club. They didn't throw a few missiles on a Monday night, this is a continous occurence at many of our recent home matches. I don't hear of many Hoops turning up in Phibsboro and Cabra at your home games looking for "something to do".Quote:
Originally Posted by bohs til i die
As it turned out, we were severely punished for the one-off Richer incident, but I guess nothing will happen to your lot. :rolleyes:
They don't represent my club.Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
While I totally condemn what happened I do get a feeling that it's a taste of your own medicine. You reap what you have sown for a long long time
I got the 16 bus to Tolka last night and was lucky that I got to the bus stop earlier than I intended. It's not just about Rovers fans getting a dose of their own medicine (the fans that got injured could quite possibly have never caused any trouble, not that if they did it would be acceptable), it's about innocent people being put in danger because of some scum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Block G Raptor
I agree innocent people are being hurt and as far as I'm concerned following one club or another does not make you a legitimate target. the point I'm making is a certain section of Rovers "FANS" have been at this type of thing for Donkey's years without much retaliation. but it looks as though the birds are coming home to roost and they(the rovers faithfull) don't like itQuote:
Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge
As DmanDmythDledge hints at the point is being missed completely.
I have no problem in condemning previous incidents involving Rovers fans and do not use the 'public order excuse'...because most incidents are directly related to a Rovers game for example, Rovers were playing Bohs in Richmond that day.
This is different. This is about public order. It would be like Waterford fans attacking Cork fans at a Cork-Cobh match. Or Sligo fans at a Harps-Derry match. It's preposterous. But it is happening. It is nothing like what has happened at previous Rovers matches. This is the proof it's happening. It no longer matters whether there's a derby or who Rovers are playing...it's no longer under any restrictions.
It was Rovers v. UCD, ffs on a Monday night.
I'm not surprised by this one bit. This Bohs shower have been at many of our games this season and last. They were even at our midweek game V Cobh ffs :rolleyes:. However, there's no need to have started this topic as it's going to achieve nothing.
It is disgusting that this kind of thing is going on. It's a cancer on Irish football and only harms the clubs involved as well as the league, not to mention the innocent victims. One can only hope the scum involved face the full rigour of the law.
the fan wasnt attacked at the match or even outside the ground as youre implying. He was attacked in the city centre by scumbags who claim to follow Bohs although many/all of them probably cant get into the ground anymore. Theyre just using the Bohs name as a vehicle to attack Rovers fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by dfx-
But i agree that something has to change. But where do we start? We have banned known hooligans from attending our games and beyond that what can the club do? What can the fans do? Form vigilante groups that roam the streets waiting for trouble to break out? Really, what do you lot want us to do? Whats your solution to this?
What are SRFC and Rovers fans doing about their own element? What have they done already to fix the problem? Its all well and good coming on here pointing the finger trying to score points but you should look closer to home yourselves.
And BGR has a point - live by the sword, die by the sword. I remember the days when Rovers fans came onto our message board laughing at the BSC for running away, never get a result against the Rovers etc etc. Now it seems these f*ckheads have accepted the Rovers challenge. Do Rovers fans deny all responsibility for what this rivalry has become?
My sympathies go out to the kid, truly. I hope that Rovers fans felt the same way about the kid standing close to me who got his head split open with a brick outside Richmond. It doesnt hold any water with me that this was at a derby game (as if that justifies it in some way?). Both acts are equally reprehensible.
Rovers asked Bohs to comment. We have. My question to you lot is simple - what do you want us to do about it? Please tell me cos id love to know what it is that Bohemians are doing wrong.
agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galway Harps
You seem to be missing the point that this latest craze is outside the Bohs vs Rovers rivalry. First of all there is a high chance that many of the Rovers fans that have been attacked have not caused any trouble previously or gotten involved in any BSC/Ultras 'wars'. This is innocent people getting attacked for simply following their team. Secondly a public bus was attacked endangaring men and women, old and young. Why should they suffer?Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Ignoring the above lets just say that the only people attacked were Rovers casuals who have a history of causing trouble. Do you think that it's alright for both sides to continue fighting? When will all this stop? Saying they did it first and pointing the finger is a sad excuse to carry out vicsious attacks and justify them.
Why do BFC allow BSC to freely fly their flags in Dalymount?Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
I'll comment after I see indesputable video evidence. If you don't come up with that it didn't happen. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by WeAreRovers
It is you who is badly missing my point. I was merely pointing out that rovers have been guilty of causing trouble in which innocent bystanders where hurt (I myself was struck by a bottle when they got into the Jodi stand) whilst I know that my example did happen at a game there have been other occasions where rovers have rampaged far away from football stadiums (Hill 16 Pub anyone) and here they are on here spinning this to make it sound like Bohs toerags have suddenly decided that they dont like Rovers and have invented a new type of hooligan activity to target anyone in a rover's shirt and anyone who gets between them and anyone in a rovers shirt.ffs open your eyes its the pot calling the kettle black they're just not used to being on the receiving end of things for a change. I agree there is very little that clubs can do about so called fans outside of the stadium and surrounding areas. It is up to the Guards and they should come down on these skuts like a ton of bricks. I hope this clears things up a bitQuote:
Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge
SkStu, my first post. However any comparisons that 'what goes around comes around' is showing ignorance of the point of what happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by dfx-
Block G, like at Richmond, Hill 16 and the Jodi were incidents surrounding Bohs Rovers games. This was Rovers v. UCD. When there's a regular incident where Rovers have attacked fans at Bohs v Pats or Bohs v Bray for example, then that is a valid comparison. There was no legitimate or justifiable reason for BSC/BSS or whoever it was to be there last night other than lying in wait.
How sad do you have to be to lie in wait for your 'rivals' to come home from a match v UCD? How bad does it have to get?
bullsh*t. You cant selectively quote my post like that and ignore the rest of that paragraph and the question that follows.Quote:
Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge
To answer your post in full - of course i get the point of this and it is sickening. Of course no innocent bystanders should be subjected to this. Where have i suggested otherwise?
The second part of your post is hypothetical and pointless. To be honest i wouldnt care if we got all the Bohs scum and all the Rovers scum in a big room and let them kill each other. In fact id be pretty happy.
Saying they did it first and pointing the finger?? Please! Im just pointing out the irony of Rovers laughing at Bohs for years for "running away" and then crying when these absolute scumbags accept the Rovers challenge. Its a bit cheeky to say the least.
So what about the rest of my post? What do we do about it Dman? Whats the solution? I want rid of this crap as much as you do.
Okay, so say we stop them flying flags. What then? Does that solve it? Does that take it off the streets? Is that even really an issue? Ridiculous post. Answer the questions in my post, show that you really care about what can be done to stop this and ill take you seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raheny Red
It's hardly accepting the challenge though is it? If 2 sets of hooligans want to meet up and kick **** out of each other away from the ground it doesn't really bother me but thats not whats happening. Cowardly scum are targetting innocent fans on buses and attacking people on the streets when they out number them 15 to 1. Accepting the challenge would be fighting with other like minded people.
DFX: seem to remember a gang of lads being attacked by so called Rovers Fans getting off teh No 10 on the way back from Belfield a few years back. anyone else remember this. Rovers where at home in dalymount that night
Bohs fans are saying that these people are banned from Dalymount. Having hooligan fans flags flying at your games would suggest otherwise. I think thats the point being made.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
dfx, if its not very useful what we think then where is the point of this thread and why arent Rovers complaining to the police? Read the rest of my points regarding "what goes around". I dont feel like repeating it for a third time.Quote:
Originally Posted by dfx-
"how sad do you have to be?" - pretty fukin sad alright. But i repeat the question - if this thread isnt simply Rovers fans trying to score points, what is the solution? Theres enough collective brain here to surely come up with some suggestions because I, for one, am at a loss. Its a sickening state of affairs.
The point is the kids and teens look who are involved in this **** look up to these ****s. They see the BSC flag in front of them on match night, they get a sense of pride and honour and feel part of this group. The fact is the club are now afraid to ask this lot to get of said flags.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
No, I think you'll find that BSC attacked Rovers fans who were in the Mill that night because they thought (mistakenly) that some Rovers hooligans were there. One Rovers fan was taken off in an ambulance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Block G Raptor
Nobody should take Gav seriously, he's just bored and is on a wind up because he got banned off the ccfc forum
The solution is for the Gardai to get off the donut munching asses and do something about it. Problem is they'd prefer to be in the ground away from any possible incidents as it makes their night easier.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
One Rovers fan who was on the bus that was attacked last night and got hit with a rock tried to make a complaint to a Garda at the ground last night. The garda's response was "looks like it didn't hit you hard enough". Thats what we're up against.
which was done, which is being done and has been let go for so long that unfortunately this is the next step.Quote:
Originally Posted by swano
Yes Block G, i remember that.
regarding the flags Swano, i understand the point of the question but i merely stated that its hardly at the core of the issue. As stated we have banned most trouble makers and members of BSC. Unfortunately not all. And i agree that allowing this flag at the games looks bad but really you cant deny that the club has acted in good faith to try to rid the ground of these c*nts on matchnight.
I don't think there's any point in the traditional "you're worse than us" type argument. This is a problem for both clubs and would best be tackled by both clubs together. I don't know what can be done about an incident like this but that doesn't mean both clubs should just give up. I've been on the recieving end of various different incidents like this and sadly for every one I post up a Rovers fan can post up an equivalent. So lets at least try not to get in to that argument as it will achieve nothing. I hate both sides scum.
That was a different night to the one Block G is talking about. And without getting into tit for tat bóllocks, there were Rovers hooligans in The Mill that night who rang the Bohs scum element and "called it on", some of whom are currently banned by Rovers.Quote:
Originally Posted by swano
This will be my only post on this thread because I'd just be echoing what most other Bohs have said already and nothing will be solved on the internet anyway.
Agree with everything there. As I've said before it's up to the Gardai to act. They were warned that it might happen last night after the incidents the previous weeks. They turned up at the wrong junction. It's either gross incompetence or else they didn't want to have to deal with it. I'd reckon it's the latter.Quote:
Originally Posted by bohsmug
Just to point out that after the Pats/ Drogheda game in Richmond in May there were a group of Rovers gurriers in the streets around St Michaels estate after the game looking for some aggro with the little Pats gurriers. The police with dogs had to stand between them. I'm not having a go at genuine Rovers fans here by any means, and stoning of public buses, in fact any kind of violence goes way beyond the pale. I'm just saying, it happened. Suggestions on the Pats forum at the time where that it was pre-arranged between the two sets of scumbags. It seems to be a growing trend, and it's kinda worrying.Quote:
Originally Posted by dfx-
I was on the 16A that came after that 16. Had I been a bit earlier getting to the bus stop I'd have been on that 16. When the bus got to Aungier Street one of the guys sitting near me answered his phone then started telling his mates that the 16 had been attacked and to expect trouble up the road. I thought they were taking the p1ss but it was unnerving heading towards Tolka. I was at the Shamrock Rovers v Bohemian derby there a few weeks ago and Rovers fans were telling me to expect that the 16 could be attacked on the way home. This is developing into a serious problem (not to say yesterday's incident wasn't serious enough). It's hard to say what's to be done but it's a poor state of affairs. I hope everyone who was caught up in the incident is doing ok.
People caught engaged in hooligan activity are banned from Dalymount. Obviously the people hanging the two flags haven't been caught at anything. There are definitely far more casuals at away games than home games. As for what happens on Dorset St, its been said over and over again, we can't do anything about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by swano
[QUOTE=SkStu;726414].
Saying they did it first and pointing the finger?? Please! Im just pointing out the irony of Rovers laughing at Bohs for years for "running away" and then crying when these absolute scumbags accept the Rovers challenge. Its a bit cheeky to say the least.
The people they are attackin never made any challenge?
I think the point he was making was that "ordinary decent Rovers fans salt of the earth that they are" sing run away, taunting the BSC that they don't stand up and fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by FarmHoop
Adrian Kennedy debating about Bohs and Rovers
the few people on here who have condoned this would want to get a serious dose of reality
As would the people who think Bohs are in a position to police Dorset St.Quote:
Originally Posted by half_full
No one is condoning this. For anyone who thinks Bohs haven't done enough, what would you have us do? As someone once said, put up or shut up.