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14/06/2007, 10:34 AM
Steve Bruce

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Originally Posted by Pablo

and who is more likely to qualify now Steve.........

We are in just as good a position as we where before. The requirement was to win the next 3 games before Spain and Sweden played theirs and the requirement is STILL win the next 3 games.:rolleyes:
14/06/2007, 10:38 AM
NY Hoop

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Originally Posted by Steve Bruce

Until the new rankings where released I forgot about this thread.

But now at least the rankings now reflect the reality of the difference between NI and ROI at this present moment.

If you honestly believe that I feel sorry for you. Ranking system is a joke and only minnows like yourself get wet over it.

KOH
14/06/2007, 10:45 AM
Steve Bruce

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Originally Posted by NY Hoop

If you honestly believe that I feel sorry for you. Ranking system is a joke and only minnows like yourself get wet over it.

KOH

TO be honest it is a bit of fun, but I find it a good laugh when another country who are minnows themselves come off with a minnows jibe.

Not only that we are a better team. Our results have proved that over the last couple of years. Whilst we are beating Sweden, England and Spain, your struggling to beat San Marino:rolleyes:
14/06/2007, 10:56 AM
NY Hoop

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Originally Posted by Steve Bruce

TO be honest it is a bit of fun, but I find it a good laugh when another country who are minnows themselves come off with a minnows jibe.

Not only that we are a better team. Our results have proved that over the last couple of years. Whilst we are beating Sweden, England and Spain, your struggling to beat San Marino:rolleyes:

The difference sonny is that we are a country. And we've never been humbled by Iceland at home.

KOH
14/06/2007, 11:53 AM
Steve Bruce

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Originally Posted by NY Hoop

The difference sonny is that we are a country. And we've never been humbled by Iceland at home.

KOH

We are a country to, with our own devolved government just like Scotland & Wales.:rolleyes:

And also it was the ROI who broke away from us not the other way round.

We may have been humbled by Iceland, but atleast the make up of our team is 90% Northern Ireland born and bread.

The ROI's two successful teams contained more Englishmen than Irishmen 94 and 2002. The sign of first class minnows. Republic of English Rejects
14/06/2007, 12:04 PM
Soper

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Originally Posted by Steve Bruce

The ROI's two successful teams contained more Englishmen than Irishmen 94 and 2002. The sign of first class minnows. Republic of English Rejects

Our survey says - EH UH

2002
13 Irish born players
4 English born with Irish parents
6 English born with Irish grandparents

Frankly, you have insulted me. I was born in Wales, to an Irish parent, and lived in Sligo for 10 years +. I am Irish, just likethe majority of the players who represented my county.
14/06/2007, 12:08 PM
Steve Bruce

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Originally Posted by Soper

Our survey says - EH UH

2002
13 Irish born players
4 English born with Irish parents
6 English born with Irish grandparents

Frankly, you have insulted me. I was born in Wales, to an Irish parent, and lived in Sligo for 10 years +. I am Irish, just likethe majority of the players who represented my county.

Was there not 11 englishmen in 2002.

Slight mis judgement about the majority in the 2002, nearly 50 50 between Englishmen and Irishmen.

My sisters where born in England, I'm from Belfast, my family is all from Belfast, but my sisters are still English, with Northern Ireland connection. But they are English.

I felt insulted by the remark we are not a country and more or less being denied ligitamacy(sp?). Something that should never even enter a football debate, but it has and I'm going to hit back.
14/06/2007, 3:25 PM
Pablo

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Originally Posted by Steve Bruce

Was there not 11 englishmen in 2002.

Slight mis judgement about the majority in the 2002, nearly 50 50 between Englishmen and Irishmen.

My sisters where born in England, I'm from Belfast, my family is all from Belfast, but my sisters are still English, with Northern Ireland connection. But they are English.

I felt insulted by the remark we are not a country and more or less being denied ligitamacy(sp?). Something that should never even enter a football debate, but it has and I'm going to hit back.

Are you trying to convince us or Yourself?
14/06/2007, 11:23 PM
Ceirtlis

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Originally Posted by Steve Bruce

We are a country to, with our own devolved government just like Scotland & Wales.:rolleyes:

And also it was the ROI who broke away from us not the other way round.

We may have been humbled by Iceland, but atleast the make up of our team is 90% Northern Ireland born and bread.

The ROI's two successful teams contained more Englishmen than Irishmen 94 and 2002. The sign of first class minnows. Republic of English Rejects

Northern Ireland have had a fair few "english rejects" play for them in the past so get off your high horse. During the world cup in 2002 at least 7 Irish born players started each game and all the main players were Irish born so ya presumed wrong about that dont try and pass it off as nearly 50-50. The rankings are a load of ****** always have and always will be. Also if your going to slag ROI off about our recent results try picking a game we didnt win.
15/06/2007, 10:41 AM
Steve Bruce

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Originally Posted by Pablo

Are you trying to convince us or Yourself?

Nope, I know my national identity.
15/06/2007, 10:46 AM
Steve Bruce

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Originally Posted by Ceirtlis

Northern Ireland have had a fair few "english rejects" play for them in the past so get off your high horse. During the world cup in 2002 at least 7 Irish born players started each game and all the main players were Irish born so ya presumed wrong about that dont try and pass it off as nearly 50-50. The rankings are a load of ****** always have and always will be. Also if your going to slag ROI off about our recent results try picking a game we didnt win.

So you have 12 Irish players and 11 English players and that isn't nearly 50-50:confused:

Also compare any NI team in history to any of the Irish Republic team in the last 20 years and you have always had more englishmen.

We reached the World Cup finals with the vast majority of Northern Ireland men.

Currently we have 2 non-Northern Ireland born players. Taylor who is German and James Quinn(who will probably never play again for NI) who is English.
15/06/2007, 11:10 AM
Louth4sam

How does Taylor qualify to play for you?
15/06/2007, 11:29 AM
ifk101

Fair play to NI for doing so well in the rankings, it is a considerable achievement.

And just so you know Steve Bruce, I've personally have never had any sense of rivalry with the NI football team. It's always good to see our regional teams doing well ;)
15/06/2007, 12:54 PM
Steve Bruce

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Originally Posted by ifk101

Fair play to NI for doing so well in the rankings, it is a considerable achievement.

And just so you know Steve Bruce, I've personally have never had any sense of rivalry with the NI football team. It's always good to see our regional teams doing well ;)

:D

I'll let you away with that, for it brought a smile.
15/06/2007, 12:56 PM
Steve Bruce

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Originally Posted by Louth4sam

How does Taylor qualify to play for you?

I'm not quite sure. Probably NI parents. He's still German though with Northern Ireland connections.
15/06/2007, 1:03 PM
Louth4sam

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Originally Posted by Steve Bruce

I'm not quite sure. Probably NI parents. He's still German though with Northern Ireland connections.

He has no Northern Ireland connection except he has a British passport so you cant really slag us about having non irish born players when you've abused a crazy rule like that.
15/06/2007, 1:12 PM
Steve Bruce

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Originally Posted by Louth4sam

He has no Northern Ireland connection except he has a British passport so you cant really slag us about having non irish born players when you've abused a crazy rule like that.

So you are comparing ONE player to Irelands MANY players.

This is hilerious:D
15/06/2007, 1:18 PM
Flexy

Only current ROI player not Irish is McGeady at the moment steve
15/06/2007, 1:24 PM
Louth4sam

No comparing the rule that we use that can be used in any fifa county compared to the one you use that can only be used in the uk. Anyway this is the team that played our last competitive match 3 non irish born players in it.

1 Shay Given
5 Richard Dunne
3 Steve Finnan
4 Paul McShane
2 John O'Shea
6 Lee Carsley
11 Damien Duff
7 Stephen Ireland
9 Kevin Kilbane
8 Aiden McGeady
10 Kevin Doyle
15/06/2007, 1:26 PM
The Sheliban

Didn't we always have strong ex-League of Ireland representation in internationals. Without going back to the 50s and 60s, names like Staunton, Roy Keane, Paul McGrath, Ronnie Whelan spring to mind?
15/06/2007, 1:43 PM
Soper

I must point out that being born in a country does NOT have any bearing on your nationality, unless you choose it to.
15/06/2007, 2:03 PM
Steve Bruce

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Originally Posted by Soper

I must point out that being born in a country does NOT have any bearing on your nationality, unless you choose it to.

I choose to be Brazilian:rolleyes:
15/06/2007, 2:05 PM
Soper

Don't be stupid. There's no point in being childish about this, although it doesn't surprise me.
15/06/2007, 2:06 PM
Louth4sam

Wait a minute i thought you guys were singing we're not brazil we're norn iron. Make up your damn mind...
15/06/2007, 2:10 PM
Steve Bruce

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Originally Posted by Louth4sam

No comparing the rule that we use that can be used in any fifa county compared to the one you use that can only be used in the uk. Anyway this is the team that played our last competitive match 3 non irish born players in it.

1 Shay Given
5 Richard Dunne
3 Steve Finnan
4 Paul McShane
2 John O'Shea
6 Lee Carsley
11 Damien Duff
7 Stephen Ireland
9 Kevin Kilbane
8 Aiden McGeady
10 Kevin Doyle

Do you think you'll qualify?

Anyway the reason this topic has went like this is because some one came off with this minnows talk as if ROI are superior. Which they aren't. I replied that any time ROI have been any way successful there team was full of Englishmen. In 1994 World cup, you had a squad of 23. Their was FIFTHTEEN Englishmen. In the last World cup you played in their was 11.

So my point is, when we achieved success in the 50s & 80s we had a squad that made up 99% of Northern Ireland born players. When the Republic where successful in the 90s and 2002 You had more than your fair share of Englishmen. So if anyone are minnows, it would be the Republic.

Maybe the ROI have more than the players nationalities in common with England. The arrogant attitude seems to be shining every bit as bright to.
15/06/2007, 2:10 PM
Steve Bruce

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Originally Posted by Soper

Don't be stupid. There's no point in being childish about this, although it doesn't surprise me.

So then you agree your last post was incorrect:rolleyes:
15/06/2007, 2:12 PM
Steve Bruce

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Originally Posted by Louth4sam

Wait a minute i thought you guys were singing we're not brazil we're norn iron. Make up your damn mind...

:D

But then as a Linfield fan we are prone to sing, "we're just like watching Brazil"

Ask the Cork fans about our Brazilian play:D

On 2nd thoughts, let's not get into the molestation of football again :p
15/06/2007, 2:41 PM
The Sheliban

But steve, call me thick but if we achieved greater success, whether it be with Englishmen, Frenchmen or Cocker Spaniels, how does that make us minnows?
15/06/2007, 2:41 PM
Soper

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Originally Posted by Steve Bruce

So then you agree your last post was incorrect:rolleyes:

How was it?

I was born in Wales, that does not mean I am Welsh. It is simple. Get over it.
15/06/2007, 3:00 PM
holidaysong

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Originally Posted by Soper

I must point out that being born in a country does NOT have any bearing on your nationality, unless you choose it to.

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Originally Posted by Soper

I was born in Wales, that does not mean I am Welsh. It is simple. Get over it.

Exactly, birthplace and identity are two separate things! I was born in Drogheda FFS, but God help anyone who calls me a Drog! :eek::o
15/06/2007, 3:18 PM
Steve Bruce

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Originally Posted by The Sheliban

But steve, call me thick but if we achieved greater success, whether it be with Englishmen, Frenchmen or Cocker Spaniels, how does that make us minnows?

You haven't acheived greater success than Northern Ireland. We achieved the Quarter finals Twice. 1958 and in 1982 in which we topped the group and beat the hosts. We reached the 2nd round in 86.

We also hold the record for youngest ever goalscorer in the World Cup.

We also had arguebly the greatest ever player in George Best and also one of the greatest Goalkeepers.

We are the last and current holders of the Home Championships.

Compare that to your wee country?

You qualified 3 times - Same as us
You got to the quarters once - Inferior to us
You qualified to the 2nd round 3 times - the same, but we qualified to the quarters 2 of the 3 times.

Can't think of any ROI players that can be labeled the worlds best. Although you have had a few good players eg Roy Keane. But never anyone of the calibre of Best.

So who has the best record?:rolleyes::cool:
15/06/2007, 3:19 PM
Steve Bruce

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Originally Posted by Soper

How was it?

I was born in Wales, that does not mean I am Welsh. It is simple. Get over it.

You are:rolleyes:
15/06/2007, 3:20 PM
Soper

...........
15/06/2007, 3:21 PM
Steve Bruce

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Originally Posted by Soper

It's funny, it is always British people that have trouble comprehending my point on this topic...surprised to finally find an Irish person that doesn't

Who's the Irish person?
15/06/2007, 3:26 PM
Soper

Don't worry....
15/06/2007, 3:40 PM
NY Hoop

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Originally Posted by Steve Bruce

You haven't acheived greater success than Northern Ireland. We achieved the Quarter finals Twice. 1958 and in 1982 in which we topped the group and beat the hosts. We reached the 2nd round in 86.

We also hold the record for youngest ever goalscorer in the World Cup.

We also had arguebly the greatest ever player in George Best and also one of the greatest Goalkeepers.

We are the last and current holders of the Home Championships.

Compare that to your wee country?

You qualified 3 times - Same as us
You got to the quarters once - Inferior to us
You qualified to the 2nd round 3 times - the same, but we qualified to the quarters 2 of the 3 times.

Can't think of any ROI players that can be labeled the worlds best. Although you have had a few good players eg Roy Keane. But never anyone of the calibre of Best.

So who has the best record?:rolleyes::cool:

You are obsessed. We are a country you are not. A country has its own national anthem and its own currency (we had before the euro!).

Also you keep going on about englishmen while its obvious thats what you wanna be.

Who gives a flying fcuk about the Home Championships ffs?

Why do you wear green?

How are a wee country compared to you? Are you a troll or just an attention seeker? You will always be minnows like Andorra and the like and all the rankings in the world wont change that. Now run along back to your own forum.

KOH
15/06/2007, 3:53 PM
Steve Bruce

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Originally Posted by NY Hoop

You are obsessed. We are a country you are not. A country has its own national anthem and its own currency (we had before the euro!).

Also you keep going on about englishmen while its obvious thats what you wanna be.

Who gives a flying fcuk about the Home Championships ffs?

Why do you wear green?

How are a wee country compared to you? Are you a troll or just an attention seeker? You will always be minnows like Andorra and the like and all the rankings in the world wont change that. Now run along back to your own forum.

KOH

Oh an nerve has been touched here.

We always wore Green, always will. Your national team isn't as old as ours. The IFA has been about from well before the FAIs existance. You lot copied us.

We are a glorious wee country. Our own devolved government, our own laws, our own national football team.

If we are minnows the Republic must be less than minnows as we are more successful than yous. And you are a wee country but a great country. I didn't compare you to anyone, I just stated you are a wee country. We are a smaller country, but obviously with more of a winning mentality.

Remember you broke away from us, not the other way around;)

As I only go on this durin the week when Im at work, i'll leave this now as I could do with a good laugh on Monday when I see your next reply(if your last post is anything to go by)
15/06/2007, 4:07 PM
Soper

Pee country
15/06/2007, 4:34 PM
NY Hoop

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Originally Posted by Steve Bruce

Oh an nerve has been touched here.

We always wore Green, always will. Your national team isn't as old as ours. The IFA has been about from well before the FAIs existance. You lot copied us.

We are a glorious wee country. Our own devolved government, our own laws, our own national football team.

If we are minnows the Republic must be less than minnows as we are more successful than yous. And you are a wee country but a great country. I didn't compare you to anyone, I just stated you are a wee country. We are a smaller country, but obviously with more of a winning mentality.

Remember you broke away from us, not the other way around;)

As I only go on this durin the week when Im at work, i'll leave this now as I could do with a good laugh on Monday when I see your next reply(if your last post is anything to go by)

Dont know how you type without laughing to be honest:

"We are a glorious wee country" :D:D If you say so son.

"obviously with more of a winning mentality" LFMAO. Funny and delusional.

KOH
15/06/2007, 4:38 PM
dancinpants

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Originally Posted by Steve Bruce

We achieved the Quarter finals Twice. 1958 and in 1982 in which we topped the group and beat the hosts. We reached the 2nd round in 86.

Thats not technically true about reaching the Quarters in 82. You got past the Group stage and into the second phase. The second phase comprised 4 groups of 3 teams. The winners of those groups went into the semi finals. So strictly speaking there was NO quarter finals in the 82 world cup. Oh and you finished bottom of the 3 team group.

Oh and you didn't reach the second phase in 86 that i can see. You were the worst record of the third place teams and therefore didn't advance. The second phase (last 16) comprised of, Belgium, Russia, Mexico, Bulgaria, Spain, Denmark, England, Paraguay, Germany, Morocco, France, Italy, Argentina, Uraguay, Brazil, and Poland.

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