Fenlon Resigns

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22/05/2007, 12:51 PM
GuisaSaigon

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Originally Posted by dublinharp

What now for Fenlon who will chance taking him on as manager after all this??

Shels?:D
22/05/2007, 12:53 PM
Rory H

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Originally Posted by GuisaSaigon

Shels?:D

he is still a brilliant manager,just made the wrong choice of club. disappointed we appointed another manager before he became free:p
22/05/2007, 1:03 PM
Risteard

I'd say himself and Sean Conner would have been better off in the others job.
22/05/2007, 1:13 PM
Steve Bruce

Pat for Glentoran :D

As the Big Ian would say(or used to)

NEVER NEVER NEVER!! :D
22/05/2007, 1:20 PM
Ash

Pat for Athlone!

Vacancy may be opening soon ...
22/05/2007, 1:28 PM
dcfcsteve

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Originally Posted by Rory H

he is still a brilliant manager,just made the wrong choice of club. disappointed we appointed another manager before he became free:p

So let me get this straight. A successful team playing good football instantly became an unsuccessful one playing muck, despite having a core of the same players across both periods. Pat Fenlon was the man who was in charge across this lightening-fast transformation - yet he bears no blame at all, and it's all just the club's fault....? :confused:

And what is the wrong choice of club for Pat anyway ? One that is already quite successful and where he can't throw money around to buy further success ?

I don't know which is funnier - your belief that Pat is a footballing genius scuppered in his choice of club, or your view that he would have been interested in Sligo for anything other than taking a dump on his way through to Galway....
22/05/2007, 1:32 PM
passinginterest

Hands off 'not so fat anymore' Pat everyone! He's very commited to building a successful team in Wexford. After all in 2 years time Wallace is likely to hand over the team and a sizeable budget to him. And this team will be playing in one of the best stadiums in the country. So go and do a running jump the lot of ye :p
22/05/2007, 1:34 PM
Steve Bruce

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Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

So let me get this straight. A successful team playing good football instantly became an unsuccessful one playing muck, despite having a core of the same players across both periods. Pat Fenlon was the man who was in charge across this lightening-fast transformation - yet he bears no blame at all, and it's all just the club's fault....? :confused:

And what is the wrong choice of club for Pat anyway ? One that is already quite successful and where he can't throw money around to buy further success ?

I don't know which is funnier - your belief that Pat is a footballing genius scuppered in his choice of club, or your view that he would have been interested in Sligo for anything other than taking a dump on his way through to Galway....

Some times some managers are just not suited with some teams.

Maybe the problem is Derry City overachieved? Although I'm not saying for one second that you are at your level, because your certainly a top 4 club. But maybe just not a legitimate challanger to the league title?

Obviously you'll disagree but as you say it is the same set of players, who are not doing the job, so maybe last season was a slight overacheivement. The Liverpool of Eircom League football if you like.
22/05/2007, 1:37 PM
OneRedArmy

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Originally Posted by Steve Bruce

Some times some managers are just not suited with some teams.

Maybe the problem is Derry City overachieved? Although I'm not saying for one second that you are at your level, because your certainly a top 4 club. But maybe just not a legitimate challanger to the league title?

Obviously you'll disagree but as you say it is the same set of players, who are not doing the job, so maybe last season was a slight overacheivement. The Liverpool of Eircom League football if you like.

Bizarre then that you celebrate like loons when you get a result against a bunch of overachievers.

Losing out on the League 2 years on the trot would indicate that we weren't overachieving. Also whist we had a bad spell in the early part of the decade, our record is fairly impressive over the past 2 decades in the EL.
22/05/2007, 1:45 PM
lofty9

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Originally Posted by Rogue Trader

I heard a couple of weeks ago that he wanted out of Derry and some of the players as well. They actually even prefer to live across the border in Letterkenny. :eek:

You talking to O Halloran?;) He hates living in the goldfish bowl. I thought he would have experienced similiar at Cork.

They've underestimated what it's like coming to play for Derry. They think it's a regional club and then when they get here, the passion hits them right up the beak. Fenlon couldn't handle his family living here in that environment.
22/05/2007, 1:50 PM
Steve Bruce

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

Bizarre then that you celebrate like loons when you get a result against a bunch of overachievers.

Losing out on the League 2 years on the trot would indicate that we weren't overachieving. Also whist we had a bad spell in the early part of the decade, our record is fairly impressive over the past 2 decades in the EL.

We celebrated like loons when we pulled back from behind against Glenavon away as well last season. What's your point?

When your 2 nil behind, no possibility of getting back into the game and then somehow do, you celebrate. Maybe that's lost with you I don't know. But it is hardly relevent to my comment.

Also my observation came from teh fact, 2 or 3 years prior to season before last you where struggling then all of a sudden you where at the top.

I am not saying you are over achieving drastically, just that your not quite as good as Drogheda/Cork and Previously Shelbourne.

Why go on the defensive all the time? Just give your opinion and be done with it. I'm not trying to argue, just making an observation, if you disagree fair enough, but it's my opinion.
22/05/2007, 2:00 PM
lofty9

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Originally Posted by Steve Bruce

We celebrated like loons when we pulled back from behind against Glenavon away as well last season. What's your point?

When your 2 nil behind, no possibility of getting back into the game and then somehow do, you celebrate. Maybe that's lost with you I don't know. But it is hardly relevent to my comment.

Also my observation came from teh fact, 2 or 3 years prior to season before last you where struggling then all of a sudden you where at the top.

I am not saying you are over achieving drastically, just that your not quite as good as Drogheda/Cork and Previously Shelbourne.

Why go on the defensive all the time? Just give your opinion and be done with it. I'm not trying to argue, just making an observation, if you disagree fair enough, but it's my opinion.

You make valid points, but don't forget Drogheda have achieved nothing of merit league wise, like us. They were traditionally a bottom 6 team until recent investments. In comparison, we have amassed more points than any other team over the past 2 seasons. As a club, I believe we are similiar in stature with Cork. Shelbourne? Oh previous Shelbourne - like Finn Harps - guaranteed results against them every time.:)
22/05/2007, 2:00 PM
passerrby

have it on good authority he was having serious problems with the langauge barrier
22/05/2007, 2:13 PM
carrickharp

A good few of them live in Donegal, Stephen Kenny did as well when he was manager.
22/05/2007, 2:18 PM
lofty9

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Originally Posted by dublinharp

A good few of them live in Donegal, Stephen Kenny did as well when he was manager.

They all live no more than 20mins than the Brandywell.
22/05/2007, 2:27 PM
OneRedArmy

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Originally Posted by Steve Bruce

I am not saying you are over achieving drastically, just that your not quite as good as Drogheda/Cork and Previously Shelbourne.

Its uninformed WUM-esque posts like this that rag my hole. I appreciate your EL interest is recent, but we've as many League titles as Cork and two more than Drogheda.

And a bucket load more cups.

Shels were muck until the 90's, but that particularly house of cards appears to have collapsed.

Nobody has a divine right to be a "big club", we've had quite a few seasons in the doldrums a few years back, but clubs rarely come to the Brandywell expecting 3 points.
22/05/2007, 2:35 PM
Aaron

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Originally Posted by dublinharp

A good few of them live in Donegal, Stephen Kenny did as well when he was manager.

Stephen kenny lived in Fahan, which is literally 10 mins away from Derry
22/05/2007, 2:38 PM
Steve Bruce

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

Its uninformed WUM-esque posts like this that rag my hole. I appreciate your EL interest is recent, but we've as many League titles as Cork and two more than Drogheda.

And a bucket load more cups.

Shels were muck until the 90's, but that particularly house of cards appears to have collapsed.

Nobody has a divine right to be a "big club", we've had quite a few seasons in the doldrums a few years back, but clubs rarely come to the Brandywell expecting 3 points.

Well I'm not intendint to Wind anyone up. Just giving my opinion and unfortunately for many it isn't what they like hearing.

But then IMO there is no point in having message boards like Foot.ie and Irishleagueforums.net if you cannot give your opinion.

My point about other teams being that bit better was about about teams in the last few seasons who have just nipped ahead of you over the finish line. This season I think Drogs are too strong and will win the league.

Last season Shelbourne just pipped you and the season before Cork City(if I remember correctly) just got there.

Before that(correctly if I am wrong) you where flirting with relegation and where at best mid table and had to play a few friendlies etc because you where on the brink of extinction??
22/05/2007, 3:05 PM
michaelguineys

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Originally Posted by Rogue Trader

I heard a couple of weeks ago that he wanted out of Derry and some of the players as well. They actually even prefer to live across the border in Letterkenny. :eek:

Well i know for a fact that greg o halloran is living in Letterkenny
22/05/2007, 3:09 PM
OneRedArmy

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Originally Posted by Rogue Trader

I heard a couple of weeks ago that he wanted out of Derry and some of the players as well. They actually even prefer to live across the border in Letterkenny. :eek:

Geography lesson.

The border is no more than 3 miles, in three directions, from Derry City Centre.

Half of Derry lives in Donegal (however oxymoronic that may seem).

Letterkenny is 20-30mins away.
22/05/2007, 3:30 PM
dcfcsteve

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Originally Posted by Rogue Trader

Do people think Derry had their day in the sun ?

My God - you're right RT ! We had our shot and blew it ! We're doomed, do you hear, DOOMEDDD !!!!!!

Meanwhile - back on planet earth, DCFC will continue to do what all other football clubs in history have done. That is - have form that alternates over time. And doubtless we'll go back to/continue that thing that only a few clubs in history do - win things more than oncve in a blue moon. Unlike Sligo...

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Originally Posted by Rogue Trader

Start by trying to get the players to live in or at least nearer to the city would be a start.

Your posts have often tended to sugest you are clueless about a lot of things you speak about, but I didn't realsie you'd gone the whole hog and got the badge and T-Shirt to confirm it and tell the whole world......!

Still - you do make me smile..... :D
22/05/2007, 3:34 PM
lofty9

Steve, I think that he is now aware of the fact that players live close by, given previous responses. I don't think there is any need for the aloof patrionising tone you have taken.
22/05/2007, 3:41 PM
dortie

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

I'd be happy with Peter Hutton assisted by Tony Doc.

We have to get Gorman out first though.......until then its an unfinished job.

Wouldnt say no to Tony doc, fat Pat either.

As for Gorman, he failed miserably as a first division coach, great appointment he was.
22/05/2007, 3:42 PM
OneRedArmy

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Originally Posted by Rogue Trader

I don't blame them !

Derry's surburbs and hinterland stretch well over the border.

I'll draw you a parallel, its like me criticising the Sligo manager for living in Strandhill or Rosses Point.

Ridiculous I think we'll both agree.
22/05/2007, 3:51 PM
Cici900

Great news if hes gone because he was half yer problem with his style of play.
22/05/2007, 3:56 PM
Saint MacDara

Alan Mathews for Derry
Pat Fenlon for Glentoran
22/05/2007, 3:57 PM
sligoman

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Originally Posted by Saint MacDara

Alan Mathews for Derry
Pat Fenlon for Glentoran

Sean Connor for Longford so?:eek:
22/05/2007, 4:12 PM
Jerry The Saint

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Originally Posted by sligoman

Sean Connor for Longford so?:eek:

Sean Connor for Wexford
Mick Wallace for Setanta
Pat Dolan for Linfield
David Jeffrey for Derry?
22/05/2007, 4:13 PM
Dodge

Still at least Fenlon left Derry with 2 sub keepers and Peter Hynes...
22/05/2007, 4:19 PM
ciaraa

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

Shels were muck until the 90's, but that particularly house of cards appears to have collapsed.

Well, I wouldnt exactly call 6 league titles and 3 senior cups pre 1990's 'muck' in fairness...
22/05/2007, 4:20 PM
fbtn

I'll be really surprised if Felix isn't offered the job.

Serious question: If a Derryman lives in Donegal - is a greyhound or a sheep lover? ;)
22/05/2007, 4:23 PM
OneRedArmy

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Originally Posted by fbtn

Serious question: If a Derryman lives in Donegal - is a greyhound or a sheep lover? ;)

Wolf in sheeps clothing....
22/05/2007, 4:44 PM
BohsPartisan

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Originally Posted by Rogue Trader

YAAAWWWWNNNNN ah Steve how are things ? Hey i heard something today about that Kenny could be on his way back to Derry although no word on Short yet !? Care to Comment ?

Any chance we could get away from all the silly bickering and back onto the topic of how Nutsy made a huge mistake not taking the Bohs job? ;)
22/05/2007, 4:47 PM
BohsPartisan

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Originally Posted by Rogue Trader

Ah this must be some little sly dig at me for showing you up on your own forum last night sorry about that ;):D.

Sorry, what? Must have missed that.
What time was that as I can't get on to thebohs.com here at work, the web marshall blocks it.
What thread was that on?
22/05/2007, 4:50 PM
BohsPartisan

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Originally Posted by Rogue Trader

Ahem keep it on topic matey !

Genuinely confused. :confused:
22/05/2007, 7:14 PM
LukeO

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Originally Posted by Rogue Trader

Ah this must be some little sly dig at me for showing you up on your own forum last night sorry about that ;):D.

By the way not bickering with anybody to be fair read the posts man !

By having the arrogance to assume you know more about what Darren Mansaram or any other player is on than one of our club board directors and to continue arguing the point with him, the only person you showed up was yourself...
22/05/2007, 7:54 PM
LukeO

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Originally Posted by Rogue Trader

I loved it how your so called director knew straight off what wage the palyer in question was on pure bluff. I let is slide Luke O NO. I don't think you lads really want to admit to yourselfs as much as to anybody else how much you are really spending on the team of yours :rolleyes:

By the way i have a funny feeling Bohs may be after PF !

So-called director? It's well-known on our forum who BARD is and he sure as hell knows a lot more about player contracts at Bohs than some upstart from Sligo.

And of course he'd know what Darren Mansaram is on and while he mightn't know the exact figure off the top of his head, he'd know for sure that it's considerably less than the figure you mentioned.

As for our budget? It's public knowledge that our Hon. Sec. mentioned at the Se�n Connor press conference at the start of the season that we were increasing the budget by 50%, so it doesn't take Einstein to figure out what our approximate budget is for this season.

As for Nutsy... well, you may or may not remember that I wasn't 100% convinced that Connor was the right man for the job at the time of him being appointment and that my preferred option was Pat Fenlon. I remain unconvinced, but the chances of him being ousted in favour of Pat Fenlon in the near future are slim to say the least.
22/05/2007, 8:12 PM
Dazzy

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Originally Posted by fbtn

I'll be really surprised if Felix isn't offered the job.

Serious question: If a Derryman lives in Donegal - is a greyhound or a sheep lover? ;)

woof...i mean baaa...woof
22/05/2007, 9:24 PM
Vitruvian Man

I see Irelands most fickle fans have managed to drive another manager away.

Whats that now, six in six years.

For shame - if it was anybody else they (we) would be getting crucified here.
22/05/2007, 9:27 PM
EireBadBoy

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Originally Posted by Vitruvian Man

I see Irelands most fickle fans have managed to drive another manager away.

Whats that now, six in six years.

For shame - if it was anybody else they (we) would be getting crucified here.

I think you'll find he left for personal reasons, Mr.Knownothing or is it Sir Judgealot?
I'm sure Pat Fenlon has put up with a lot more than cyber critics and a bad run of results in his career.

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