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Given
Finnin
McShane
Dunne
Kelly
McGeady/Ireland
Carsley
A Quinn
Hunt
Doyle
Stokes
Time to drop the likes of Duff,Keane,kilbane and OShea and give the fringe
players the chance they deserve. Its been to long now that we have had to watch the 4 above not deliver the goods.It would be good for the others to get a start. Also it must drive them mad sitting on the bench watching whats going out on the pitch.
I'd say the big change will be the full backs switching positions.
If it's a stop Slovakia at all costs team, then it's 5 in midfield
Duff Carsley Douglas Kilbane
Ireland
I'd prefer Hunt to start instead of KK.
Hunt deserves a start for his recent performances. I think both Given and Ireland are going to be fit so wouldnt be at all surprised if he just makes the one change.
However, i have a feeling from what he said after the game that Douglas will be dropped with Carsley and kilbane in midfield, duff on the left, mcgeady on the right and Ireland playing behind doyle - a bit like the position he was in when we scored.
I could regret saying this but i think with Given behind this defence, we are pretty solid at the back.
Given
O'S McS Dunne Finnan
McG Carsley Kilbane Duff
Ireland
Doyle
If he does opt for Hunt instead of McG, Duff to start on the right, Hunt on the left.
Duff Ireland Carsley Kilbane HuntQuote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Would be my preference and 4-5-1 need not be negative, that's what we ended up with in Stede Paris when Morrison hobbled off and Reid came on, and we created a lot. Hunt and Duff will go at the defence (obviously!) and Kilbane running up the middle would scare any team.....even more so if he brings the ball with him :) But seriously, I think that midfield is the strongest available.
This has to be the best team at his disposal (are you playing Duff on the left or the right?).Quote:
Originally Posted by JGKyne
You can nearly guarantee that Kilbane & O'Shea will be wheeled out again at the expense of better players, but we must nearly expect that at this stage.
Considering Keane is out and Doyle not match fit, stokes has to start. He has the fearlessness and imagination to unlock the Slovakian defence that no other members of the squad seems to have, He will raise the tempo of the game (similer to hunt) and will get the crowd in full voice(again similer to hunt)
Given
Finnan McShane Dunne O'Shea
Duff Carsley Ireland Hunt
McGeady
Doyle
But what do I know - I am not part of a world class management team!
Duff on the right, unless Hunt as a right foot then duff would be better on the leftQuote:
Originally Posted by SeanieBoy
If Wales made hime nervous enough to start with 2 destroyers in midfield and one up front then I would expect more of the same for a very useful Slovakia side.
I expect the exact same side with Doyle in for Keane and I expect a defeat if that is the case.
I would go with charliesboots team myself.
Its a pity that Miller is not in the squad as I think a three man midfield of Douglas Ireland and Miller woudl keep the ball a lot better than Carsley Douglas and Kilbane might.
How about
Given
Finnan Dunne Mc Shane Kelly
Carsley
Ireland Hunt
Duff
Doyle Stokes.
But he will probably play Kilbane instead of Stokes and O Shea instead of Kelly.
Stans Team
Given
Finnan McShane Dunne O'Shea
Duff Carsley Kilbane Hunt
Ireland
Doyle
Finnan puts in a load of great crosses for Liverpool from the right and zero crosses for Ireland on the left!
Doyle or stokes will start up fromnt on their own and one will replace the other.
Given will have to play the game of his lfe if we are to survive.
IMO Ireland (S) is over-rated and played c*** on Saturday but the goal changes everything. If he scores the only goal on Wednesday then that is enough 4 me.
If we perform like we did against Wales we will loose heavely
We badly need a targetman up front.
Most of the balls being played into the strikers on staurday were skyscrapers. Two midgets up frontand landing in high balls. Classy stuff.
We also badly need a decent central midfielder. Douglas is cack, Ireland is ok but too light and Carsley is too negative. I'm not a fan of non Irish players playing for us but I would take Kevin Nolan in a heartbeat.
Slovaks are very long odds at 3/1 to win this game , I would have had them as slight favourites.
Hard to say who's the favorites, I'd give Slovakia a slight edge
We beat Wales 1-0 at home, they beat Wales 5-1 away.
We lost to Cyprus 5-2, they beat Cyprus 6-1 at home and 3-1 away (albeit Cyprus were down to 10 men, and leading 1-0 at half time)
On the other hand, we had a good showing in a 1-0 loss against Germany away, Slovakia lost 4-1
Also, we drew 1-1 at home to the Czechs, Slovakia lost 3-0
We're missing Robbie Keane, and possibly Stephen Ireland and Shay given
They're missing Jan Durica (played every minute of their campaign so far) and Matej Krajcik (played every game so far)
looking forward to giving him a cead mile failte
No which is great news for everyone who gets embarrased by the booing of Rangers or ex Rangers players by the small minded hooped fraternity. Bit like the booing of giggs on Saturday.
Can you please delete this thread. This is an Ireland forum, not a forum for British clubs. True Irish supporters do not boo a player merely because of where he happens to earn his living.:mad:
They are missing their best player in Mintal too. Ireland and Given will make it I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
giggs was cheered by a bunch of people sitting near me.Quote:
Originally Posted by gufct
dunno which is worse to be honest
My team would be:
-------------------------- Given --------------------
Finnan ------- Dunne -------- ? ----------- O'Shea
McGeady ----------- Carsley -------------------Duff
----------------------- Ireland--------------------------
------------------------ Hunt (Capt) -------------------
------------------------ Doyle -------------------------
Staunton will probably play Shay Given down the right and have Richard Dunne down the left wing with Finnan up front along side Wayne Henderson.
Mc Shane has not had a bad game for us, why leave him out instead of a question mark.
Given
Finnan
McShane
Dunne
Harte
Duff
Ireland
Carsley
Kilbane/Hunt
Doyle
Stokes/Keogh
I know people slag off Harte but he is worth having on the Team for his Passing and Dead Ball situations and is far hungrier than John O'Shea who doesnt seem ars*d most of the time.
Its a matter of opinions but in my opinion he has not had a good game for us. He got man of the match against Czech despite the fact that he combined with Henderson gifted them the goal. Against San Marino the same exact duo combined again for yet another howler and he looked far from certain against Wales. Bellamy made a joke out of him for Wales' best attempt. I think hes dour to be honest. Calamity waiting to happen (again).Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
Quote:
Originally Posted by gufct
Harte hungrier??? Don't know about that. If people are describing O'Shea as lazy then Harte is comatose! I'd still rather have O'Shea.
How you rate Kilbane on a par with Hunt is behond me. Hunt will probably get player of the season at Reading. Kilbane will probably get a P45 from Wigan.Quote:
Originally Posted by gufct
Keogh is not good enough to be in the panel. McShane is also a pile of sh***.
Ireland's 3 best outfield players are Hunt, Doyle and McGeady and none of the 3 of them were playing last Saturday.
Mintal is a good player but I think that Karhan is more influential for them, Vittek is also a solid player, can not afford to give him a chance, cause he will take it.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
How about Liam Miller ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by finnpark
Sorry hes from Cork. Lets not speak of him again.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBoss
The goal was John O Sheas fault not Mc Shanes. O Shea has never had a man of the match performance, deserved or not deserved yet you have him in your team. The goal against San marino was as much Dunnes fault as it was Mc Shanes but the one at fault was the keeper. Against the Czechs and the Welsh , Ms Shane showed good reading of the game and an agression and leadership that has been lacking since Keane retired. Bellamy is a very pacy player and only got into that position cause Dunne made the mistake but you blame Mc Shane for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by finnpark
Given
O'Shea
McShane
Dunne
Finnan
Duff
Carsley
Kilbane
Hunt
Ireland
Doyle
4.4.1.1.
finnpark - what would a top class defender have done that McShane failed to do against Koller for the goal? I don't know how anyone that knows the game of football could critisise McShane for that. McShane has a superb football brain and leadership skills. I think he's an excellent young player. His passing is dodgy but it's not exactly necessary for a centre half.
Given and Ireland set to play- http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ls/6493225.stm
Given
Finnan Dunne McShane O'Shea
Duff Ireland Carsley Hunt
Doyle Stokes
We have to play 4-4-2- we don't have anyone suitable to play the lone striker role, except perhaps Keogh but it would be too much of a risk IMO to play him just to accomodate 4-5-1.
Stokes has to start-there is no other option in the squad. If he plays I think he will have a good game.
If Stan didnt play 4-4-2 against Wales i cant see him changing it for Slovakia.
He did!Quote:
Originally Posted by gustavo
Duff and Keane started upfront
Cn't see him not playing 4-4-2 It's what the Irish do.
He changed to 4 5 1 though after about 20 mins. Our best performances have come with a 4 5 1, Sweden and the Czech Rep. While we were not great on Saturday we were never opened up so I think that a 4 5 1 is not a bady way to combat our poor central midfield. Power in numbers in the centre. But this only works if we have players who can pass like Ireland or an Andy Reid. Also Kilbane Douglas and Carsley is far too negative and lacking in imagination. 1 or 2 out of these 3 is enough.
i agree 100% if we let ireland do his thing in the middle then the two lads have to be there , carsley and douglas. 4-5-1 with doyle up front is a good option
I don't think Doyle upfront on his own is an option giving his lack of match fitness. Ideally he would only be a sub IMO even if we had two strikers, but the poor squad selection means that he has to start with a partner upfront.
Strangly enough id say 4 5 1 will work alot better against this sort of opposition than it did against Wales. Not saying it is better but it might not be such a disaster if Slovakia are good technically and a swift counter attacking team. There record points to them being poor at the back. They dont seem to be able to handle against the big boys getting trashed by the Czechs, Germany and Spain but have a good recent record against the lesser teams. Which are we? **** nows the way things are going these days but i think this crowd are there for the taking.
Apart from Highlights I have never seen Slovakia play and dont have a clue what to expect.They're mixed results seem to suggest they are a confidence team.Maybe if we get about them early we could put them on the rack.Then again I could be fooling myself and we could get whacked.
4-5-1 it will be with Doyle up front on his own. If Doyles not fully fit then don't be surprised to see Stokes up front on his own. It will be the same midfield and backline as started against Wales. Night games are always better and I expect us to put Slovakia under the cosh no matter who is playing. A win here and then everything has changed in this group for us. I have a feeling this will be a much quicker(tempo) game than Saturdays. A half decent performance and a win and everything will change.