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14/03/2007, 2:41 PM
Dr.Nightdub

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Originally Posted by A face

Have Pats sold their soul ??

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Originally Posted by Brian Kerr

The key attraction for me and one of the main reasons why I am happy to come is that St Pat's will continue to play in Inchicore in what will be a modernised stadium...The thought of moving to somewhere like Tallaght was abhorrent to me...We have no intention of leaving Inchicore. The area needs St. Pat's and St. Pat�s needs the area.

How much clearer does it have to be? The soul of our club is in very good hands.
14/03/2007, 3:07 PM
DvB

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Originally Posted by Dr.Nightdub

How much clearer does it have to be? The soul of our club is in very good hands.

So Brian Kerr has the controlling interest in Pats then?
Or is he's merely going on what your new property speculating owner has told him!?
Not saying that this aint the holy grail you all seem to think it is, its just i wouldnt be quite so happy until i'd seen the guy walk the walk after all this talking he seems to be doing through Kerr!

Keep your eyes & ears open would be my opinion, at least until you're 100% sure of his long term intenions!

Koh
14/03/2007, 3:34 PM
Dodge

No one knows DvB, some of us are slightly more grounded than others BUT Brian Kerr is god, and if he's attached that'll keep me happy for a little bit. A relation of mine has seen the plans he submitted months ago to DCC and they're ambitious but acheivable. Very little pie in the sky stuff that LOI chairman seem to love

I've done a bit of research on Kelleher for the past number of months. He's notoriously private regarding his business deals. Coming out so open about this one makes no sense and is totally at odds to his usual way.

His PR drive this week alone is impressive
14/03/2007, 3:45 PM
Dr.Nightdub

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Originally Posted by DvB

So Brian Kerr has the controlling interest in Pats then?
Or is he's merely going on what your new property speculating owner has told him!?
Not saying that this aint the holy grail you all seem to think it is, its just i wouldnt be quite so happy until i'd seen the guy walk the walk after all this talking he seems to be doing through Kerr!

OK listen, I accept you are far more familiar with property development and land banks and so on than me, and yes, I know you've been saying to me for yonks that this has all the hallmarks of big property deals you've seen happen before.

But bear in mind there's an equal possibility - the same building blocks (no pun intended! :D ), parcels of land, etc are being put in place in Inchicore for something that you or me or no-one else has ever seen before simply cos it's never been tried in this town before.

Of course I want to believe it's true and not believe the worst, same as any Pats fan. We all dream. But it's not just blind optimism on my part, it's also putting the two and two's together. I just posted this a couple of minutes ago on our forum, so to save meself the bother of retyping it all again...

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Originally Posted by Dr.Nightdub on our forum

The bit that makes me 110% convinced that all this is on the level is Kerr saying in today's Mirror that "�I told Johnny that Garrett didn�t want to come on board unless I was involved.�

Any doubting Thomases should note the sequence: no Kerr, no Kelleher. That's the key to this whole thing.

If Kelleher was merely after a land grab, he'd've simply plonked down �X million last autumn when he first came on the scene, Mulvey and some others would've probably bitten his hand off and we'd be much more at risk of a Milltown scenario.

That didn't happen.

Yeah, Kelleher wants Kerr involved, but not as a smokescreen or a front man - don't forget he's big enough to be able to tell Donald Trump to do one, he doesn't bloody need front men. He wants Kerr cos of his unparalleled track record at developing underage football talent. I'm guessing if he's building the tallest building in the States, he's not one to settle for second best at anything, be it skyscraper-building or youth development. Don't forget he went to the States on a tennis scholarship so he knows a bit about development of young sporting talent.

Go back donkey's years, to when the Ajax kit made a brief appearance in Richmond. That followed a visit to their academy in Amsterdam around the end of Kerr Era 1. You reckon whatever impression that visit left has been totally lost? I'm only putting two and two together out loud here, but I'd like to think that's what Kelleher and Kerr are aiming for.

Like I said, no Kerr, no Kelleher. Yes Kerr, yes academy, yes Kelleher, yes a revitalised Pats, yes a revitalised Richmond, yes a revitalised Inchicore, yes a bright gleaming future.

You want to see him walk the walk? He already has - he walked away last autumn, when we all first heard about him and thought all our Christmases had come at once. At the risk of repeating myself, no Kerr, no Kelleher. But Andy obviously didn't delete his number from his mobile and now we're at yes Kerr, yes Kelleher.

Hence my optimism. Now I'd love to stay and debate the thing with you some more but as you know, I'm in the process of moving. Pats aren't! :D
14/03/2007, 3:47 PM
geysir

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Ive done a bit of research on Kelleher for the past number of months. He's notoriously private regarding his business deals. Coming out so open about this one makes no sense and is totally at odds to his usual way.
His PR drive this week alone is impressive

You have to hope that he has the interests of the club at heart. He can do anything he wants. Are the interests of the club protected in legal documents?
14/03/2007, 3:55 PM
Dr.Nightdub

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Originally Posted by Dodge

He's notoriously private regarding his business deals. Coming out so open about this one makes no sense and is totally at odds to his usual way.

Maybe, just maybe, it's cos this isn't simply just another business deal to him - and a very chickensh1t one too, compared to some of his other stuff. Maybe it's cos he's got a personal interest in this beyond the money element?
14/03/2007, 3:58 PM
Jerry The Saint

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Originally Posted by Dodge

His PR drive this week alone is impressive

It's been hugely impressive.

Fearing the worst you could say that Kerr is either

A. Being lied to just as much as the rest of us.

or

B. In on the scam.

Neither scenario seems particularly likely to me but if they were true you'd have to wonder - why would Kelleher bother:confused: This is small fry compared to the attention and hassle that building Chicago's biggest skyscraper will bring you. He could have easily done a land grab without the PR blitz and building up of (possibly) false hope :eek: And why would there be plans to renovate Richmond - he could have come out with some pie-in-the-sky super stadium scheme down the road somewhere with no intention of ever building it?

Anyway, while there's still questions to be answered at least one clear thing has emerged that we can all agree on.

Tallaght is abhorrent.

:D
14/03/2007, 4:02 PM
wws

bang on jerry

but i suspect the 'Special K' team will be addressing the Pats massive on Friday directly.

There will also be a Big Macnas display - I urge all EL fans to give up supporting their clubs and follow Pats. The Delaneyship is dead. Long Live the Republic of Inchicorestan!
14/03/2007, 4:07 PM
Dr.Nightdub

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Originally Posted by wws

I urge all EL fans to give up supporting their clubs and follow Pats.

Nah, as we saw the other night, it's far more fun when there's fans of other clubs to humiliate.

We're from Inchicore and we're richer than you!
14/03/2007, 4:09 PM
Jerry The Saint

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Originally Posted by Dr.Nightdub

Maybe, just maybe, it's cos this isn't simply just another business deal to him - and a very chickensh1t one too, compared to some of his other stuff. Maybe it's cos he's got a personal interest in this beyond the money element?

This very week, Kelleher has been meeting with community representatives and other groups in Chicago to win support for his other (150-story, $2bn) project. The final plans will be unveiled in the next few weeks. Genuinely surprised to see him in Richmond yesterday but this would appear to back up the point above.
14/03/2007, 4:28 PM
paudie

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Originally Posted by Jerry The Saint

This very week, Kelleher has been meeting with community representatives and other groups in Chicago to win support for his other (150-story, $2bn) project. The final plans will be unveiled in the next few weeks. Genuinely surprised to see him in Richmond yesterday but this would appear to back up the point above.

Is Kelleher known as a Pats fan? Just wondering why Pats?
14/03/2007, 4:32 PM
wws

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Originally Posted by Jerry The Saint

This very week, Kelleher has been meeting with community representatives and other groups in Chicago to win support for his other (150-story, $2bn) project. The final plans will be unveiled in the next few weeks. Genuinely surprised to see him in Richmond yesterday but this would appear to back up the point above.

he wasnt in richmond yesterday!

my guess is those pics were taken last summer! :eek:
14/03/2007, 4:45 PM
TheSaint2002

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he wasnt in richmond yesterday!

my guess is those pics were taken last summer!

naa if ya look behind them the walls were only recently painted,

http://unison.ie/images_papers/news/...res/400932.jpg
14/03/2007, 5:21 PM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by paudie

Is Kelleher known as a Pats fan? Just wondering why Pats?

Have you seen the state of the other Dublin clubs. Not even a contest...

Oh and hoopdub, ever hear of a rhetorical question?
14/03/2007, 5:27 PM
WeAreRovers

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Have you seen the state of the other Dublin clubs. Not even a contest...

The 2 most famous and successful Dublin clubs aren't for sale so that leaves Shels or Pats.....

KOH
14/03/2007, 5:29 PM
Jerry The Saint

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Originally Posted by wws

he wasnt in richmond yesterday!

my guess is those pics were taken last summer! :eek:

We can't rule out the possiblity of cloning. Or have you forgotten just how rich this guy is? :eek:
14/03/2007, 5:32 PM
Bald Student

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Originally Posted by WeAreRovers

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Have you seen the state of the other Dublin clubs. Not even a contest...

The 2 most famous and successful Dublin clubs aren't for sale so that leaves Shels or Pats.....

KOH

Don't forget about Dublin's least successful and least famous club. We're not for sale either!
14/03/2007, 5:35 PM
Jerry The Saint

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Originally Posted by Bald Student

Don't forget about Dublin's least successful and least famous club. We're not for sale either!

All good points. Also we're the only football club with plans (now!) to stay in the city.
14/03/2007, 6:00 PM
Bald Student

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Originally Posted by Jerry The Saint

All good points. Also we're the only football club with plans (now!) to stay in the city.

Only just, Belfield Bowl is about 5 yards from the border with the Corpo and is a few hundred yards further from O'Connel Street that Richer.
14/03/2007, 7:25 PM
Dodge

Whatever culchie
14/03/2007, 7:43 PM
kdjaC

If he gets all the planning permission for the things he wants on site, we be unstoppable financially. The centre, shops,gym, flats, pub would generate enough income to sustain the club.

I dont want to do a shels and buy everyone, pats have a tradition of getting the best out of certain type of players, i hope that continues with players coming tru rather than Zayed etc:

With Kerr there i have faith Johnny mac wont go FM07 on the league, and if JMC goes i think Dolan will come back may even come back before that in some job.

How can other teams compete with a Chelsea type situation, our old board struggled for years and tbh well done to them for having the club in a decent position.

Regarding why us? Rovers ground issue and previous history isnt a decent selling point, but if they had Tallaght sorted they would be the next Kelleher type person investment.

Bohs had the deal agreed at some point before Kelleher met Andy.

Shels who the **** wants a 1st div club :D but than likkely Ollie put them off, put my job off sponsoring them.

Would Bohs Rovers Shels fans accept this guy if he picked them?

kdjac
14/03/2007, 9:07 PM
bad mongo

Out of interest-what exactly is in the other bank of the Camac?. any chance of a new access route into the site (pedestrian or vehicle)? Richmond is a very constrained site to build anything other than a 6k capacity ground. Will be very interested to see how this pans out. good luck to the junkies bit i for one am glad not to have to place the fate of my club in the hands of one potential benefactor-no matter what offer is on the table though.
14/03/2007, 9:13 PM
kdjaC

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/171/4...c44b00.jpg?v=0

kelleher owns the factories some of the houses and the hill behind the camac would be an aquedate stand if the camac was piped. As for placing our faith in one man...... You must be new to the Eircom league?

its not an offer he owns the club the lease on the ground, everything, we are his bitch now.

kdjac
14/03/2007, 9:15 PM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by bad mongo

Out of interest-what exactly is in the other bank of the Camac?. any chance of a new access route into the site (pedestrian or vehicle)?

Plan is for an access point from Inchicore Road, probably where the current park is now.
14/03/2007, 9:20 PM
chippie0001

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Originally Posted by kdjaC

If he gets all the planning permission for the things he wants on site, we be unstoppable financially. The centre, shops,gym, flats, pub would generate enough income to sustain the club.

I dont want to do a shels and buy everyone, pats have a tradition of getting the best out of certain type of players, i hope that continues with players coming tru rather than Zayed etc:

With Kerr there i have faith Johnny mac wont go FM07 on the league, and if JMC goes i think Dolan will come back may even come back before that in some job.

How can other teams compete with a Chelsea type situation, our old board struggled for years and tbh well done to them for having the club in a decent position.

Regarding why us? Rovers ground issue and previous history isnt a decent selling point, but if they had Tallaght sorted they would be the next Kelleher type person investment.

Bohs had the deal agreed at some point before Kelleher met Andy.

Shels who the **** wants a 1st div club :D but than likkely Ollie put them off, put my job off sponsoring them.

Would Bohs Rovers Shels fans accept this guy if he picked them?

kdjac

Sorry but I would rather be in our position that yours. Our destiny is in our own hands, when we move we have about �40m in the bank and its the clubs. The interest alone on that is a few million a year. You have an owner best case scenario has no plans to move you etc, but may get bored, see no return etc in the long run. So if this guy picked us I would say NO and we will look after ourselves, rather than bank on someone who has to this point in his life had no interest in the league.
14/03/2007, 9:35 PM
wws

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Originally Posted by chippie0001

Sorry but I would rather be in our position that yours. Our destiny is in our own hands, when we move we have about �40m in the bank and its the clubs. The interest alone on that is a few million a year. You have an owner best case scenario has no plans to move you etc, but may get bored, see no return etc in the long run. So if this guy picked us I would say NO and we will look after ourselves, rather than bank on someone who has to this point in his life had no interest in the league.

bit closed minded chippie? how on earth do we attract outside investment (which I believe is essential) with that attitude - there is no one involved in irish football with that kind of moolah - so Irish football doesnt contain the answer in itself - it HAS to appeal to the big rollers and stop them - stupidly - in my view investing in Sunderland and their ilk

I mean Sunderland?? wot in the name of fck has that to do with Ireland??
14/03/2007, 9:35 PM
kdjaC

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Originally Posted by chippie0001

Sorry but I would rather be in our position that yours. Our destiny is in our own hands, when we move1 we have about �40m in the bank and its the clubs. The interest alone on that is a few million a year. You have an owner best case scenario has no plans to move you etc, but may get bored, see no return2 etc in the long run. So if this guy picked us I would say NO3 and we will look after ourselves, rather than bank on someone who has to this point in his life had no interest in the league.

1 If when , rovers should be a lesson in how things work, letting fasn run a club is complete madness, and letting bohs fans run a club is comcial, how long has Connor got?

2* return in the EL? if you put in 25 mill as kelleher is what can you honestly get back? 400k if you do 4 in a row? there is no money to be made unless 2 things happens you sell one player to PL every year and get into the CL. you must be apart of the bohs running staff if you believe you will get a return out of a El club.

* Kelleher is a buisness man he wil get a return for the club out of the pub and flats and AFL team. Bohs fans/club are not all they are doing is ****ing 40 million into the wind in a mad belief they will be better than Rovers, unless you have a strategy to retain the investment and and capitilise on ehh stuff you ehh own umm sorry after taking the 40 million and running im kinda lost on the plan to keep Bohs at the top of the league.

3 he did you told him to feck off as you just agreed your own deal to move out of Dublin City.

Pats living of Shels and Bohs scraps and loving it :D

kdjac
14/03/2007, 9:38 PM
kdjaC

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Originally Posted by wws

bit closed minded chippie? how on earth do we attract outside investment (which I believe is essential) with that attitude - there is no one involved in irish football with that kind of moolah - so Irish football doesnt contain the answer in itself - it HAS to appeal to the big rollers and stop them - stupidly - in my view investing in Sunderland and their ilk

I mean Sunderland?? wot in the name of fck has that to do with Ireland??

Ssshh stop talking sense, sell your ground move to tallaght and compete with Rovers history. I mean its what bohs are doing so we should all do it. Completley overlook the fact someone irish is investing in a irish club along with wallace who have the money to back up any mad ideas they have.

Wallace has Dolan , Kelleher has Kerr...........

rocket science it is not.

kdjac
14/03/2007, 9:57 PM
Jerry The Saint

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Originally Posted by wws

I mean Sunderland?? wot in the name of fck has that to do with Ireland??

I caught the end of NewsTalk's excellent 'Off Their Balls' radio show and someone texted in a similar comment. The presenter (really sharp guy) made an insightful point in response

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Oh yeah, because the eircom League is REALLY attractive to investors, isn't it???:rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I didn't hear what he said after that because I was distracted by the explosion of my sarcasm detector.
14/03/2007, 9:59 PM
paudie

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Originally Posted by kdjaC

If he gets all the planning permission for the things he wants on site, we be unstoppable financially. The centre, shops,gym, flats, pub would generate enough income to sustain the club.

kdjac

Where are these going to be built? I always thought the Richmond Park site was very small.

Has Kelleher made his plans for the site public?
14/03/2007, 9:59 PM
A face

How much would Richer be worth now anyway lads?
14/03/2007, 10:08 PM
Buller

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Originally Posted by A face

How much would Richer be worth now anyway lads?

a very sizeable sum it would be safe to assume...
14/03/2007, 10:18 PM
Dodge

Figures range from 15-50 million
14/03/2007, 10:20 PM
A face

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Figures range from 15-50 million

And if its developed?

(Just asking now lads, its obviously a reasonable question aswell)
14/03/2007, 10:28 PM
Dodge

who knows face.
14/03/2007, 10:38 PM
Kingdom

Not savvy enough to read between the lines but if the ground was going to be extended to 10/15k then surely there will have to be some extraordinary building because Richmond always appears limited. Even more so having looked at the picture. Would it be possible to build a bigger stand over the Camac?
14/03/2007, 10:39 PM
Dodge

Thats the plan, and he's bought land behind the inchicore end and on emmet road...
14/03/2007, 10:45 PM
wws

this is the benchmark site value in the area - a quote from the papers about the Hilton Hotel site in adjoining Kilmainham - a stones throw from Richmond Park and adjacent sites.

"In Kilmainham, Dublin 8, he (Lally) bought the old Nestle Rowntree factory from Treasury Holdings for �25 million and is developing apartments and a 120-bed Hilton hotel on the site. That deal ended up in the Supreme Court after property developer Bryan Cullen took legal action to force Treasury to sell the site to him."
14/03/2007, 10:55 PM
Kingdom

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Thats the plan, and he's bought land behind the inchicore end and on emmet road...

So we're talking a complete demolishing of Richmond?
14/03/2007, 11:15 PM
bad mongo

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Originally Posted by kdjaC

1 If when , rovers should be a lesson in how things work, letting fasn run a club is complete madness, and letting bohs fans run a club is comcial, how long has Connor got?

2* return in the EL? if you put in 25 mill as kelleher is what can you honestly get back? 400k if you do 4 in a row? there is no money to be made unless 2 things happens you sell one player to PL every year and get into the CL. you must be apart of the bohs running staff if you believe you will get a return out of a El club.

* Kelleher is a buisness man he wil get a return for the club out of the pub and flats and AFL team. Bohs fans/club are not all they are doing is ****ing 40 million into the wind in a mad belief they will be better than Rovers, unless you have a strategy to retain the investment and and capitilise on ehh stuff you ehh own umm sorry after taking the 40 million and running im kinda lost on the plan to keep Bohs at the top of the league.

3 he did you told him to feck off as you just agreed your own deal to move out of Dublin City.

Pats living of Shels and Bohs scraps and loving it :D

kdjac

guff of the highest order. You make it sound nice and simple: Canny investor with unbeatable business plan Vs Fans boys with cheque books. If/when there is a wobble in either proposed future for Pats or Bohs who's gonna be left standing: A members owned entity or a private company?

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