Premier Division Odds 2007

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23/02/2007, 10:27 AM
Peadar

Given that we were the last team to win the league honestly and still have so many players who know what it takes to win a title, I think 4/1 is a great price. The FAI have pitted City v Bohs in the last game of the season because they clearly think we're the two best teams and will do everything in their power to ensure that it's a title decider.
23/02/2007, 11:21 AM
Celdrog

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Originally Posted by JW.

Very unlucky. I haven't been voided by Hills anyway. As far as I'm concerned the bet should stand.

I checked with Paddy Power and Corals (where I have Drogs at 5/1) to see what they would do if Shels did not start the premier. Powers said all bets would stand regardless.
Corals said all best void, form a new market. I'm not sure they can do it. Rule 4 should apply which potential winnings reduced. But Shels have been replaced by another team, its not an 11 horse race now, its still twelve.

Bet still standing but they are still taking odds on Shels for the premier :rolleyes:
23/02/2007, 11:23 AM
JW.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Celdrog

I checked with Paddy Power and Corals (where I have Drogs at 5/1) to see what they would do if Shels did not start the premier. Powers said all bets would stand regardless.
Corals said all best void, form a new market. I'm not sure they can do it. Rule 4 should apply which potential winnings reduced. But Shels have been replaced by another team, its not an 11 horse race now, its still twelve.

Bet still standing but they are still taking odds on Shels for the premier :rolleyes:

This would suit Corals enormously, as they built up large liabilities on Pat's, Bohemians and Drogheda. I'll be very annoyed if this is the case. They certainly haven't refunded me yet.
23/02/2007, 11:31 AM
lofty9

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Originally Posted by JW.

I think Derry overachieved under Kenny and believe that he is a better manager than Fenlon, who had easily the best squad year-after-year at Shels.

I'd say we under achieved by failing to win the league on two seperate occaisions. Time and time again when Shels played Derry we were the better team.. the best squad doesn't make the best team.

Overachieving is something Felix Healy managed to do with us in 1997, with the team we had then.
23/02/2007, 11:46 AM
wws

Quote:

Originally Posted by Celdrog

I checked with Paddy Power and Corals (where I have Drogs at 5/1) to see what they would do if Shels did not start the premier. Powers said all bets would stand regardless.
Corals said all best void, form a new market. I'm not sure they can do it. Rule 4 should apply which potential winnings reduced. But Shels have been replaced by another team, its not an 11 horse race now, its still twelve.

Bet still standing but they are still taking odds on Shels for the premier :rolleyes:

If that happens than John Delaney, Bertie Ahern and Macalese should all resign forthwith. There will be blood on the streets if this UK bookie tries to re-enact Bloody Sunday by voiding all Irish EL bets layed in confidence.
23/02/2007, 11:56 AM
JW.

I agree with wws - it's a faaah-aws
23/02/2007, 12:12 PM
Dodge

There shouldn't even be a rule 4 deduction as its an ante post market IMO

(and I'm not talking through my book here either as I haven't backed anything)
23/02/2007, 12:13 PM
wws

just back to the point about odds comparison sites raised above in this thread - the bookies pay a fee for inclusion so some may not be on the price site you are checking - and may belong to another - I've been checking prices for a tipping league we have on our Pats site and theres some differences between straightforward match odds 'best price' from one site to another...ideally you'd want a quick gander at two or three if you were serious. And thats even before you accept that non mainstream Irish bookies are not gonna stump up the fee to join the UK based odds comparison sites....
23/02/2007, 2:35 PM
JW.

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Originally Posted by Dodge

There shouldn't even be a rule 4 deduction as its an ante post market IMO

(and I'm not talking through my book here either as I haven't backed anything)

Basically the question to ask is: If you backed Shels to win the Premier Division, would you think you'd be entitled to your money back? I'm not sure I would.
23/02/2007, 2:39 PM
wws

ADVICE I GOT IS THAT IT STANDS

you'd win an appeal if they did pull fast one

The only rule CORALS have for antepost football is:

League Winners
For the settlement of Ante-post bets, final League placings count.

Also their rules for non-runners are as follows:

) Non runners

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In the event that a selection for an event does not participate, or if an event is cancelled, then bets on these will be considered non runners.

Excepting bets placed under ante-post conditions, a single bet on a non runner will be made void and the whole stake refunded. Where a non runner is part of a multiple bet the whole bet will not be made void, but only the parts of the bet relating to that selection. For example, a treble involving a non runner becomes a double - to the same stake - on the remaining two selections.
23/02/2007, 2:48 PM
Peadar

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Originally Posted by wws

For example, a treble involving a non runner becomes a double - to the same stake - on the remaining two selections.

That happened to me on Paddy Power before when a game in my treble was cancelled.
25/02/2007, 9:12 AM
CollegeTillIDie

Derry are stronger than last season minus Forde. And should be among the favourites to win the League. With Shels out of the Premier picture, it opens up a chance to look at some newer faces, Cork and Drogheda will be in the top 5 but someone like Bohs , Pats or even Rovers could get in there too.
25/02/2007, 10:25 AM
pete

While i need not rate Forde as much as others Jennings & Delaney are inadequate replacements.

Bennet is the only player that will be really missed while the Cork City squad is stronger in all positions.
25/02/2007, 3:31 PM
SligoBrewer

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Originally Posted by CollegeTillIDie

Derry are stronger than last season minus Forde. And should be among the favourites to win the League. With Shels out of the Premier picture, it opens up a chance to look at some newer faces, Cork and Drogheda will be in the top 5 but someone like Bohs , Pats or even Rovers could get in there too.

no CTID, somehow i doubt we'll be in the top 5 next season;)
25/02/2007, 3:43 PM
swano

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Originally Posted by wws

ADVICE I GOT IS THAT IT STANDS

you'd win an appeal if they did pull fast one

The only rule CORALS have for antepost football is:

League Winners
For the settlement of Ante-post bets, final League placings count.

Also their rules for non-runners are as follows:

) Non runners

sports betting rules

back to top

In the event that a selection for an event does not participate, or if an event is cancelled, then bets on these will be considered non runners.

Excepting bets placed under ante-post conditions, a single bet on a non runner will be made void and the whole stake refunded. Where a non runner is part of a multiple bet the whole bet will not be made void, but only the parts of the bet relating to that selection. For example, a treble involving a non runner becomes a double - to the same stake - on the remaining two selections.

They don't have a leg to stand on. I'll be straight on to IBAS if they try and void the bet because of their incompetence.
25/02/2007, 3:51 PM
JC_GUFC

I asked Ladbrokes and they said that all bets will be settled as losers regardless of who wins the league because Shels would've won it anyway. :p

It will save them come the end of the season though as last year they weren't too keen on settling Shels as a winner the day after they won the league!
25/02/2007, 4:35 PM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by JC_GUFC

It will save them come the end of the season though as last year they weren't too keen on settling Shels as a winner the day after they won the league!

Maybe they pay out on the Moral winner?
26/02/2007, 11:45 AM
JW.

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Maybe they pay out on the Moral winner?

I can definitely see this taking on Dodge :D
27/02/2007, 12:52 PM
centre mid

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Originally Posted by JC_GUFC

I asked Ladbrokes and they said that all bets will be settled as losers regardless of who wins the league because Shels would've won it anyway. :p

It will save them come the end of the season though as last year they weren't too keen on settling Shels as a winner the day after they won the league!

I've actually checked with Ladbrokes and all bets on shels void, all other bets stand with no rule 4, same as setanta cup
27/02/2007, 2:14 PM
JC_GUFC

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Originally Posted by centre mid

I've actually checked with Ladbrokes and all bets on shels void, all other bets stand with no rule 4, same as setanta cup

Fair play to Ladbrokes, it was good to see they had 1st goalscorer prices up for the Setanta Cup games last night - but bizarrely not for the live game!

Keep up the good work centre mid! ;)
27/02/2007, 2:44 PM
BohsPartisan

Saw some bookie had odds on Kingsberry to get the first goal for Linfield last night! :D
27/02/2007, 3:12 PM
centre mid

Did you not check the Racing Post JC?
27/02/2007, 5:23 PM
JC_GUFC

The Racing Post is a joke.

Their Irish tipster just looked at last season's results and decided to tip every eL team to win last night.

Did Ladbrokes have their goalscorer odds in it?!
28/02/2007, 12:14 PM
Eddie

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Originally Posted by Celdrog

I checked with Paddy Power and Corals (where I have Drogs at 5/1) to see what they would do if Shels did not start the premier. Powers said all bets would stand regardless.
Corals said all best void, form a new market. I'm not sure they can do it. Rule 4 should apply which potential winnings reduced. But Shels have been replaced by another team, its not an 11 horse race now, its still twelve.

Bet still standing but they are still taking odds on Shels for the premier :rolleyes:

Coral made a huge error on Bohs a few weeks ago having them at 16-1, I'm sure loads got on, so a new market would suit them.
28/02/2007, 12:25 PM
Dodge

No error there ;)
28/02/2007, 12:51 PM
OneRedArmy

Talking about mispricing, nothing beats Ladbrokes handicap League bet two seasons ago when Derry were 8-1 at +25 points (or was it plus 33?).

There are still people in Derry living off the winnings!
28/02/2007, 1:38 PM
Red&White

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

Talking about mispricing, nothing beats Ladbrokes handicap League bet two seasons ago when Derry were 8-1 at +25 points (or was it plus 33?).

There are still people in Derry living off the winnings!

Not forgetting of course, the famous 11/2 to beat Gretna...
28/02/2007, 1:54 PM
centre mid

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Originally Posted by JC_GUFC

The Racing Post is a joke.

Their Irish tipster just looked at last season's results and decided to tip every eL team to win last night.

Did Ladbrokes have their goalscorer odds in it?!

Price were in alright.

Couldnt agree more with you about RP tipster JC
28/02/2007, 2:58 PM
JW.

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Originally Posted by centre mid

Price were in alright.

Couldnt agree more with you about RP tipster JC

I lay his selections every week..
28/02/2007, 5:46 PM
JC_GUFC

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Originally Posted by JW.

I lay his selections every week..

I never thought of doing that - how many points profit were you in for last season? I'd say he must burn 2 pts a week. Mind you he's probably one of the better performing tipsters for the RP!
16/05/2007, 1:38 PM
Jerry The Saint

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Originally Posted by bluemovie

What are the odds on the use of an asterisk not being necessary at the bottom of the league table this year? Or in any one of the next ten years? When was the last time there WASN'T a points deduction in either division? Even apart from the Shels situation, it's a banker that there'll be a few deductions for unregistered players or maybe even a club or two collapsing mid-season again.

It will be a sign that the league is finally on track the first year that there are no asterisks required.

(By the way, if anyone gets a POTM nomination for references to Asterix the Gaul/Obelix, etc, I'm claiming the assist!!)

Never in doubt.:o

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