Looking forward to the transcripts on that!Quote:
Originally Posted by WeAreRovers
As for hoping that the best team of lawyers wins, what a load of utter nonsense!
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Looking forward to the transcripts on that!Quote:
Originally Posted by WeAreRovers
As for hoping that the best team of lawyers wins, what a load of utter nonsense!
Wait Til They Play The "abortion" Trump Card!
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Originally Posted by Erstwhile Bóz
I can't think of 2 better phrases to describe them than "bigots" and "vile organization"
Is 'Trump' not a dirty word in Inchicore these days?Quote:
Originally Posted by wws
KOH
hope all goes well for rovers today but is anyone prepared to give a brief synopisis of why thomas davis are insisting on sharing the ground with rovers.
please refrain from terms such as bigots, vile organisation...etc in answer. non-partisan reply if possible!
my take is:
offical line: that because it is financed by the county council that they feel it should be a municipal stadium, which incopropates gaelic games.
reality: GAA are freightened that youngsters in the area will choose soccer over gaelic football
There's a very weird form of pre-emptive censorship going on here, and with more than one poster.
Are we afraid to contemplate the possibility that, beyond the huffing and puffing about legalities, there is simple bigotry?
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Originally Posted by BohDiddley
huh???
explain
I think he means that the GAA's stance on the stadium in Tallaght could purely be down to bigotry as a possibility as such.Quote:
Originally Posted by wws
"May the legal team who argue most successfully win" (in the eyes of whoever's presiding, of course). When things go to litigation instead of mediation that is essentially what you're relying on. Unfortunately this is what it boils down to now in this situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by BohDiddley
Rovers have a good case, they're probably in the right, and they should win through. The anti-GAA ballsology makes me almost not give a feck either way, though.
Saying that the GAA are "bigots" and referring to them as a "vile organization" is as pathetic as saying everybody who calls the GAA "bigots" is a "bigot". I can't see how such ridiculous language would attract support for Rovers' cause, either, except of course amongst the converted who are already fully aware of the bigotry and vileness of the GAA.
And Thomas Davis referred to football people as "inferior Irishmen" in their submission to-day, as well? How ill-advised! They must have crap lawyers; Rovers are laughing, so.
Good luck to Rovers.
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Originally Posted by galwayhoop
How many times does it have to be said - it is down to pure bigotry and fear. I've read TD's submission so I think I can answer better than those who haven't.
The legal part of TD's case is that the SDCC had no right to change their mind about the use of the stadium but the submission goes on and on about the GAA's place in the community being hindered by this and how subsequently the youth of Tallaght are being denied their natural rights. (Despite the fact that SDCC are more than willing to allow under-age GAA games in Tallaght.)
KOH
We keep being told that we mustn't mention the B-word. That doesn't make sense, when there is plenty of evidence, historically and in the present, that actions like this are likely to be motivated by bigotry.Quote:
Originally Posted by wws
Do I win a prize? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by BohDiddley
The gist of their argument is that public money should not be given to a football club's ground without the ground being available for GAA too. In reality they just want to delay and kill the project and hope Rovers go to the wall.
As we all know the GAA who have trousered hundreds of millions of public money make all their grounds freely available to other sports. Then again they are also not inhabited by vile sectarian bigots.
Good luck Rovers.
Yes, you do, as such.Quote:
Originally Posted by CharlesThompson
When the SDCC change their mind?Quote:
Originally Posted by WeAreRovers
Surely they just took over the ownership of a half built soccer stadium and decided to finish it:confused:
From our MB as posted by birthday boy EFFC, might help explain -
http://www.srfcultrasforum.com/forum...2965#post32965
the eamon fagan fanclub - "The council for TD put forward that they felt they had "reasonable" grounds for a judicial review on the following basis:
that SDCC had voted to change the use of the stadium to include the playing of GAA . Then the SDCC was informed by the office of the Minister that on the basis that such a change would involve not only the changing of the diameters of the playing pitch but also the destruction of the existing stand to cater for a larger pitch, the Minister was of the view that would not make sense and thus he was informing the SDCC that if they intended to proceed on the basis of extending the pitch etc then he would not sanction the funds. Thus the SDCC held another vote based on the letter from the Minister and voted to revert back to the original proposal ie a municipal stadium with Rovers as the anchor tenant.
It was when asked by the judge agreed by our and the SDCC council that the above was the substantial issue in question and it is on the above that the judge... not on the TD guff etc about culture etc....
I know I'm not objective but IMO the judge would be going down a very illogical road were he to decide that TD are entitled to a JD.... all the SDCC did was hold a vote, then receive a clear reason from the Minister that funds for very good reasons wouldnbe withheld and thus based on that fact the SDCC held another vote as is their entitlement and decided to revert back to their original position... ie they dealt with this in a democratic and fair manner
so I'm very optomistic."
KOH
is there an expected outcome today
Court adjourned until Tuesday
Or thonged maybe?Quote:
Originally Posted by gspain
Its like the GAA is a poledancer and the taxpayer is a punter thats been hustled into a dodgy strip joint in Amsterdam. There's a big bouncer making us put Euro's into the dancer's smalls but the dance isn't very alluring at all.
Listen - I don't need a lecture on the language and terminology I should or shouldn't use. As long as the GAA continue to try to grab the Tallaght Stadium - without so much as having a clear idea as to what they would actually use it for - then the only conclusion is that the BIGOTS want to keep soccer down as much as possible in Tallaght.Quote:
Originally Posted by Erstwhile Bóz
Once the courts tell them where to go - they become a complete irrelevance, so you won't have to worry about my GAA terminology in future.
Bizarre how some people - who's club's very existence is far from being threatened by such wanton bigotry - want to divert the debate to something so trivial as the terminolgy used on forums.
It's obviously hard for some people here (Erstwhile Bóz) and those who also play and support GAA as well as football to accept that some members of the GAA are bigots and the anti football mentality still runs throughout the GAA hierarchy. It may be hard to accept but that doesn't make it untrue. Facts are facts, Thomas Davis with the backing of GAA president Nicky Brennan are engaged in a bigoted campaign against Shamrock Rovers getting to Tallaght. That is the one and only explanation as to why the issue was heard in the High court today.
Don't agree with Tallaght takeover bid.
Calling other people bigots shows a comparable level of ignorance as those we are alluding to and an incomprehensible lack of cop-on - no need to ape the antics of your supporters.
David Kennedy, the main man in Thomas Davis, is on record as saying that in a battle between Shamrock Rovers and the GAA 'the GAA will be the last man standing'. The fact that they have the unamimous backing of the Dublin county board says it all. They hate football and have no faith in their own games and demand preferential treatment in order to protect dying sports.
Bigots create bigotry. An inferiority complex merely adds to the mix.
Without prejudice I'd supported the GAA for three decades but, as a Shamrock Rovers fan first of all, I cannot support an organisation that is deliberately trying to kill the club I love. It's goodbye to the Hill (and Parnell Park) for me.
No loss when the Dubs are playing an All-Ireand semi but a different story when the hurlers (there's a great game that they're killing because they don't know what to do with it) are playing in front of a man and a dog. What are the GAA doing to promote handball? Another great game they've destroyed at the expense of the worst gaelic game of all, gaelic football.
My eyes have been opened by this experience. I now despise the GAA and see their bigoted bogeymen as the sporting neo-facists that they clearly are. Culture me arus. There's one game of football worth talking about and it ain't yours.
I'm a Gaelic fan but im 100% behind rovers on this one. What Thomas Davis are doing is wrong and shame on the Dublin board for backing them. But not everyone in the GAA are bigots or anti soccer. I understand where the rovers fans are coming from and would feel the same if someone was trying to destroy my club.
I am 100% behind Rovers on this and certainly don`t know the ins and outs of what has gone on behind closed doors but is anyone surprised that the GAA are trying to get in on the act?
FFS the stadium has been sitting out there in disarray for years and has been an embarrassment to football, Rovers and the FAI, does anyone think the GAA would of taking that long to build a half stadium like that?
Typical of football in this country, just look at the joke that is dalymount and tolka will be gone altogether in the next year or so. Again would the GAA let their grounds run into a state like that....no.
Of course not all of the GAA are bigots. However the GAA are the only sporting organisation that have a significant minority of bigots that they allow to spout their nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Louth4sam
However Rovers fans who have no exposure to the GAA other than these lunatics in TD would naturally assume that the whole organisation is full of bigots.
This goes all the way to the top of the GAA. They support the move on Tallaght - and laughably claim that "opening up" Croke park for a couple of years should give them the right to play in Tallaght forever - having first torn down what's there and then re-building a GAA stadium.Quote:
Originally Posted by gspain
What planet do these BIGOTS live on?????
They really think that the GAA is above the law. Fact.
The Govt. should just take Croke Pk off them and fcuk them all out of Dublin in classic 70's South American manner. Give the cnuts something to whinge about. They live in the 70s anyway, the fcuking 1870's.
Great stadium but a shower of cnuts.
You're a credit to your sport. Is your middle name 'ultra' by any chance?
whatever about the TD & SRFC situation and peoples views on it (and i support rovers) your above post shows your IQ to be less than your age and i would think you would have to be in your early teens with a post like that!Quote:
Originally Posted by stojkovic
the GAA have an amature sport but it is run by professionals. there are quality grounds in every one of the 32 counties in this island with the jewel in the crown being croke park.
the FAI is a TOTALLY amature organisation running a professional sport. there is no stadium throughout the country owned by any soccer club or organisation with a capacity greater than san marino or even half the population of san marino. that is despite soccer being the highest participation sport in the country. soccer have had to go cap in hand to use the rugby ground for 30 years and now has to go on bended knee to the GAA.
before you critise other sporting organisations in this country just look at the morons who run soccer in this country. and that includes local, national and international soccer!
fair enough the GAA have received government funding for these stadiums but if you think that the majority of monies spent came from the govt. then you are deluded. the GAA is without equal on this island when it comes to raising funds and providing facilities to players and supporters alike.
rant over..... best of luck rovers on tuesday
Thanks for the support lads! The rest of the court case will be herd on tuesday and hopefully the judge will make the right decision...
This is essentially football verses bigotry orientated nonsense, lets hope football wins... :o
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Originally Posted by galwayhoop
and the GPA are doing their bit to drag the the GAA'S stance on the welfare of its players into the modern era
110 million PUNTS is no delusion my friend.Quote:
Originally Posted by galwayhoop
I also happen to have first hand experience of the workings of the GAA and local council with my own schoolboy 'soccer' club regarding the construction of facilities. Unfortunately I cannot divulge names or details at the moment as the legalities are at a crucial stage but I will gladly do so in the future (hopefully 3/4 weeks). The corruption and coercion between the GAA club, local residents, local businessmen through local council level will shock you. Luckily An Bord Pleanalla and the lotto treated us right.
I used to be open minded but I have become cynical by our plight. We have been awarded lotto funds and planning permission over three years ago but we have still not laid a brick. We were forced to turn a bit 'Goodfellas' if you know what I mean and play them at their own game.
Believe me when I say that you will be reading about this in the papers in the months to come, especially with the forthcoming election.
Sports Minister spoke out against the GAAs actions in Tallaght yesterday. Fair play.
According to the Minister, the figure is €114m. The GAA have been trying to deflect attention from this by splitting hairs over the fact that most of it came from lottery funds, rather than from the exchequer. But they do not seem to be disputing the fact that €114m of public money has been lavished on them. Have to say, John O'Donoghue has gone up in my estimation in this affair. It takes a brave Kerryman to confront the GAA.Quote:
Originally Posted by stojkovic
NB Edit:But not enough to make up for trying to shaft Bohs on Dalymount!Quote:
John O'Donoghue has gone up in my estimation in this affair.
If that's the justification for the terminology then sure look at the football side: the majority of football fans love other sports but there's a minority amongst us that despise anything got to do with the GAA, to heroic levels of hysterical paranoia, and there is an anti-GAA mentality in the official FAI hierarchy. It certainly goes both ways. Does that mean, though, that "bigotry" is a useful or proper word to describe the petty "North Stand/Hill 16" crap on the tickets or the "stick your GAA up your arse" song on the plane years ago? Would incidents like that, going by the above standards, not entitle GAA people to refer to the FAI/football people as "BIGOTS"?Quote:
Originally Posted by HulaHoop
The friction and bitterness from both sides is undeniable, but the term "bigot" is itself extremely divisive with heavy historical connotations; it's very unedifying to see that it has become fashionable shorthand for GAA people amongst football fans, with those connotations deliberately invoked.
Rovers are in the right (and it's unfortunate that you're now at the mercy of judges and lawyers) but when you're throwing the virulent anti-GAA stuff about, mouths foaming, it makes you look as bad as you're screaming that they all are.
Support shams all the way and hope that we get the first game with them, like the last game at Milltown.
I cant say how you can say that there is bigotry towards the GAA from the FAI hierarchy when just 2 weeks ago Packie Bonner, John Delayney & a slew of other top FAI told Monaghan County Council meeting that it is very important for kids in particular to play both codes and that they should be working together to give the kids the best chance at sports. Packie says he wouldnt have been half the footballer he was if he hadnt played GAA too.
If anything the FAI are too sympathetic to the GAA, some of whom are trying to block Monaghan getting a Development Officer.
C'mon the Rovers.
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Originally Posted by Erstwhile Bóz
Very good question...........I'll add the use of the word "Bogball" to the mix.
Doesnt the use of these terms constitute the same kind of behaviour, which is termed bigotry here, as we accuse of the GAA?