Watch it again - things have truly come to a sorry state in Tolka when Ollie can't even afford a bit of tape to hold his broken glasses together.
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Watch it again - things have truly come to a sorry state in Tolka when Ollie can't even afford a bit of tape to hold his broken glasses together.
His glasses are very cool the way they open and close.
God, is there no end to the adulation of Ollie among you lot? :D
Notice how he talks about how going part time is something that "we" will have to consider... It's just him!
He's skitzo and has broken glasses, this is great revealing journalism by TV3! :p
I have always thought his galsses were very novel and if you owned a pair I would tip my hat your way too, even if your a Pats fan :)
As for the Tv3 bit, nothing new, nothing new.
Is Ollies nose getting bigger?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Poor Oily is like a less sophisticated version of Max Bialystock from 'The Producers'
Maybe he reckons he can make more money if the club is a failure... :confused: :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Soper
First old lady rolls up:
"Congratulations - you now own 50% of Shelbourne FC"
Second old lady rolls up:
Congratulations - you now own 50% of Shelbourne FC
Third old lady toddles up:
Congratulations - you now own 75% of Shelbourne FC
Fourth old lady rolls up:
Congratulations - you now own 162% of Shelbourne FC
and so on
''No Way Outtttttt''
Problem is: Ollie isn't dealing with gullible oul wans, he's dealing with callous sharks such as Jeremiah O'Reilly who would think nothing of bulldozing him, Shels, Tolka Park, as well as anything and anyone who stands in the way of them making shedloads of money.
O'Reilly tried to pull a fast one with Rovers in Tallaght, but got nobbled. He saw a mirror image of Tony Maguire/Joe Colwell in Ollie and went for it. I genuinely thought Ollie was smarter than that, but the Champions League mirage caught him like a rabbit in headlights.
and without the suit of armour in the shape of two precious away goals
That's very harsh thing to say about Joe Colwell..Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Lord
Am I the only non Shels fan that feels genuinely sorry for Ollie here?
I appreciate he has make enemies and can rub people up the wrong way. However nobody can question his commitment to Shelbourne FC and doing what he thought was best for the club.
He was clearly chasing the dream of making the Group Stages of the Champions League. He saw the opportunity to maybe finally have Irish football fans supporting an irish team rather than Man Utd/Liverpool. I'll save my anger for those who came into clubs with the sole intention of milking them for personal profit.
Not sure if you're the only neutral to sympathise with him, but I'd say you're in a very small minority. If you listen to any of his interviews this week it is plain to see that Oily places himself with more importance than the club he proports to love. Anything he says is laced with his own personal feelings i.e. I've put myself out for this club, I stood this club back up, I can't/won't take a backseat in my club. Oily thinks that he is Shelbourne and that Shelbourne is him.
He has spent over €6.5m over the last three years of money the club was promised by the sale of it's ground on increasing players wages - something we have all had to deal with since - and has remortgaged the future of his club by gambling on Champions League success. This money should have been ringfenced for structural funds in guaranteeing that when the inevitable comes and Shels are kicked out of Tolka Park that their future will be in their own hands. Thanks to Oily, that is now not going to be the case and the people who are going to pay for this ultimately are the supporters of the club.
I'm not buying the naive dreamer line.Quote:
Originally Posted by gspain
Ask the Derry City fan he allegedly assaulted if he is sorry for him?
Ask those who were on the end of his many legal threats and actions?
He has caused more damage than improvement to the League and if it takes Shels going under to get him out of football then so be it.
rubbish, the guy has got a very easy ride of it... nice chap, they all are when you're having a pint, but just as bad as the rest. I wonder which port the stadium roof is waiting at now???Quote:
That's very harsh thing to say about Joe Colwell..
there goes the co-efficient!
Lots of sympathy for genuine Shels supporters. Ollie has sold the family heirlooms, seemingly without the backing of other board members, who have since resigned. The investors he talks about are no more than vultures, waiting to build apartments and make a shedload of cash. They will bankroll Shels until 2008, if Byrne vanishes. By that time Shels will be tennants to either Bohs or Fingal Co Council. Obviously no bank is going to touch Shels now, otherwise they would have reached agreement with Fingal for Santry.
Why would you have sympathy for Shels supporters?Quote:
Originally Posted by drummerboy
They knowingly rode the rollercoaster on the way up, when it was clear to everyone that the sums didn't add up and they deified Ollie, refusing to question or criticise and buying into the dream. Its only in the last few months when the wall of lies collapsed that they have started to whine.
Too little, too late.
In the end of the day supporters go along to support their local team. Most aren't political animals and just want to see a game of football. Besides, there was no way anyone could wrestle the reins off Byrne. Not even now. He will hang in there, until someone gives him a very big payoff.
Fenlon has escaped criticism in all this. I think he must have known the financial implications of his spending. Yet he went back again and again, looking for money to sign players. Then when the **** hits the fan, he is the first to jump ship. Hardly honourable.
fair point on fenlon. haven't thought of it before. a bit like o'leary at leeds except o'leary took the flak there and fenlon walks away unscathed.
Teflon Fenlon!!!!!
i'm not trying to justify assault or condone some of the things that Ollie has done. i think he is his own worst enemy. However I think he was always doing what he thought was best for Shelbourne Football Club.
There are other people far more worthy of abuse and scorn who have robbed clubs blind
this is the type of crap which p.sses me off about the irish mentalityQuote:
Originally Posted by gspain
the guy your defending here effectively destroyed his club carrying out a suicidal policy (there are so many parrallels with a certain Galway commercial managers past its unreal)
i dont feel any sorrow for this individual - i do feel sorry for the fans of the club and those who dug deep from their OWN pockets (rather than someone elses) to keep it all goin
this persons delusion is so great he refers to Ozzie kILKENNY ET AL as "investors" - as if they're some kind of benevolence fund for shels and its maniac and reckless leader
what the person you're defending here has done is nothing short of criminal - and the ENTIRE el has suffered greatly from the inflated wages now being paid (all of which are way beyond the income generating capacities of all clubs in the island)
Ive no time for the guy anymore - I cant even be arsed naming him - he's nothing, a total muppet - in the truest sense of the word -EVERYONE and i do mean everyone with a shred of cop on has been saying for years that the course his club had embarked on was reckless and suicidal - at every step of the way these sensible ppl were met with the defence of "oh he's a great man for shelbourne" "look at the work he put in" etc etc
well each man kills what he loves - and he killed shels
Is it just me but every time Olly says " Shelbourne" it sounds like " Shamrock"?
Or maybe he's playing head games..........with himself !!!!!!
In all fairness, you know sod all about what Nutsy had to put up with last year. If Nutsy didn't have his own business he'd have been in serious financial trouble. Nutsy was lied to more than anyone else in this debacle - with the exception of the gullible fan base.Quote:
Originally Posted by drummerboy
As for the UCD fan defending Joe Colwell, you know even less about that particular gent. His tunnel vision and self-imposed martyrdom was what handed our club to Maguire and his crooked cohorts.
And wws - Did someone drop you on your head over Christmas? You're talking a lot of sense on here these days and you seem to be the only one on the Pats MB with his eyes open. Dodge's "I just want to see a winning football team" is very very sad coming from a clever bloke.
KOH
Oily has been on a media blitz recently. What is the purpose of this as hes usually not quick to be so forthcoming in public? I presume he trying to drum up some interest from a white knight?
Chasing the dream stuff is a load of crap. Its fine speculating a little bit but when revenues reduce you need to reduce expenditure too. When Shels only had Inter Toto cup football last season I saw no sign of Shels reducing spending. Hoolohan was sold but thats about it.
How is any of this Nutsy's fault? If Ollie couldn't afford new or more expensive players, it was his duty to tell Nutsy it wasn't on.
Given the very real debacle at Shels, all the marketing in the world won't change the public perception that Irish football is an irrelevant mess.
Note to Delaney and co: the difference between saying something is better and it actually being better is vast. It's like 'near' and 'far away' on Father Ted.
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Originally Posted by WeAreRovers
That would back up a few stories I have heard from people connected to Derry City in regards to Fenlons situation last year. I'm surprised he stayed as long as he did.
In defence of Dodge, if Keegan/Molloy/Caffrey/Armstrong/Rutherford were all high earners, replacing the 5 of them with O'Neill and Ndo can't be putting that much financial strain on the club. Having a small sqaud will have separate implications, but there is always another side of the coin to wws' paranoia. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by WeAreRovers
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaime
jaime will ya do me a fooken favour
ndo kirby o neill are wots signed "SO FAR"
we're now linked with even more of these guys (from shels)
ive no paranoia
re the signing policy - with wages saved/the molloy transfer fee plus knock on bonuses - they could juggle the figures to leave them in a similar position to last season wages wise - but if they sign the likes of jason byrne etc well that goes out the window again
the board of pats met the fai re tallaght - as per their own admission
its all out war on these fckrs till that plan is well and truly torpedoed
I'd be agreeing with gspain here on this one.
Shels and Bohs were the 2 clubs to start bringing the league up to the level it's at now a few years ago and led the way for the likes of Cork, Derry and Drogheda. Obviously with a support base like Shelbourne have it was going to be difficult to sustain this (Bohs lasted about 3 years at that level).
As Felix Healy says when you give money to players it's automatically out of Irish football and that's really what's killing the game here, look at Shels league winning team - half of them have jumped ship already. Look at Fenlon's list of clubs as a player and it will tell you what motivates him.
Obviously there can't be a situation where an employee is going without wages but it's not too difficult not to feel sympathy for players who had no loyalty to the club in the first place.
thats just stupid jcQuote:
Originally Posted by JC_GUFC
you cut the cloth within reason
they didnt
that ol players loyalty crap is for roy of the rovers readers
Every time I think of Shels and their fans, a song by the Housemartins comes into my head:
The people who grinned themselves to death
Smiled so much they failed to take a breath
And even when their kids were starving
They all thought the Queen was coming
For "Queen", read "Champions League group stages" and you have the recent history of Shels in a nutshell.
I would have the same degree of sympathy for Ollie as I would for the likes of Peter Ridsdale at Leeds. In other words, zero.Quote:
Originally Posted by gspain
I don't care what his motives are or how well-intentioned they are, Ollie is a delusionist who has driven the most successful Irish club in recent years to the brink of complete meltdown. If I became Taioseach and made a complete fcuk-up of the country, would it be alright as long as I was well intentioned.....?
I have no sympathy for oilly.........Since he won the league in the courts all those years ago.poaching players, inflating wages.his general underhandmanship (is that a word you know what i mean) the whole league knew what he was at and knew this day was coming..Shels might have won titles under Oilly but they won no friends.. if derry had won the league he would still be in the courts trying to win it....Oilly..If you really love something set it free......
A manager's job is to assemble the best possible team, and motivate them on the pitch to win things. It is not the Manager's job to manage the club's balance sheet, nor are they usually privvy to even half of the necessary information to enable them to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by drummerboy
If Fenlon was asking for players the club couldn't afford, how was he to know they couldn't be afforded without having an intimate knowledge of the club's finances (which seemingly only Olly had) ? Olly would've set the direction and aims for the club on a season-by-season basis (and if he didn't, it's another failuing on his part), which then would've given Fenlon a budget and dierction to work towards. If he then attempted to go beyond that, it's the Boards job to say no, as they hold the purse strings.
Even if Fenlon had been asking for players his club couldn't afford, so fcuk ? It's Olly's job to say 'no'. Which he clearly either didn't do, or didn't want to do.
Blaming Manager's for the financial and managerial inadequacies of thsoe who run football clubs is pathetic. The buck stops at the Board Room, nowhere else. End of story.
while you are mostly right dcfcsteve i think everyone in the country knew that the good ship shelbourne was going to sink sooner or later. with this in mind fenlon signed players on contracts that he must of thought the club could have problems honouring. so while it's is not his fault for the financial mess, if i was a player i wouldn't totally exonorate him. after all he would of sat them down and said you will be paid x, y and z for playing.
I agree that Byrne should shoulder most of the blame. But surely when there was problems with players not getting bonuses, wages ect, alarm bells should have rung in Fenlons head. Some of the bonus due goes as far back as 2004. Was it not possible to ship out some of the many guys picking up large wads for sitting in the stand.