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05/12/2006, 8:50 PM
Stuttgart88

hoops1, have you seen Reid play recently?

eirebhoy's been spot on in his admiration of Reid's recent form. I'd be surprised if he wasn't given his obvious liking for footballers with some guile. Bill's right in calling him a proper footballer. I can't recall which paper it was last week, but it singled out Reid as being ''gifted''. Not a bad accolade for a guy playing in a struggling team, hence having less opportunity to shine, and for a guy who's not English, so less likely to attract praise in the English press.

I've no axe to grind either way on Reid, but when I saw him against Fulham about 6 weeks ago I was really impressed. His passing & decision making was superb and I think it's interesting now that, for the first time, he's had a succession of games in the Premiership & has kept injury free he's consistently attracted rave reviews.
05/12/2006, 8:56 PM
Stuttgart88

In fact, check this out (including the true context of the Puskas comparison). Bear in mind that there's barely a more anti-Irish publication on the planet than the Mail!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1779
05/12/2006, 9:54 PM
Qwerty

The comparison to Puskas is in terms of physical build and his one-footedness and not actual ability.
05/12/2006, 10:34 PM
republicofwhite

Awww...Its a nice gesture though isn't it??:D
06/12/2006, 9:11 AM
youngirish

Reid was MOTM again last night and has always been an excellent player IMO. He had a miserable time at Tottenham a team with a ridiculous turnover of players (he should have went to Charlton initially when he had the option under Curbishley) but in our WC qualifiers he was consistently one of our best performers along with Given. He's the sort of player though that to really shine needs to be playing week in, week out and not have to worry about being dropped if he has one bad game. He also needs for the team to be built around him in some sense to really show his talent. Neither of the above happenned at Spurs.

Hopefully now he can progress from here and Charlton don't get relegated (which unfortunately I think they will).
06/12/2006, 9:23 AM
NeilMcD

Great performance from him last night. They played him just behind the front two. With three workers behind him. His vision was top notch in my opinion and his passing was very good also. I would rather have the likes of Reid in our team than the Kilbanes of the world. Its all about what type of player we want in our team and I want footballers who keep the ball and I think Reid is one of those.
06/12/2006, 3:04 PM
Fergie's Son

Watched the game last night in the comfort of my bed as the Chicago winter tore the ******** off of the city.

Reid was excellent. The odd sloppy play (he tends to lose out in tackles and can give the ball away too easily) but overall he was the best player on the pitch.

Everything Charlton did went through him. Without him they are a muck team. On this form, the Irish team needs to be built around him.
07/12/2006, 8:34 AM
geysir

I haven't seen Reid play but surely the Mail photgraph is a useful update to our Andy Reid physical profile gallery, looks to be a slim 30" waistline.
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/200...CS_228x184.jpg
07/12/2006, 12:22 PM
as_i_say

i dont think you can compare kilbane to reid. kilbane is a winger and reid is a central mid-hopefully by now staunton has realised this-those two players cant be in competition with each other for a place on the ireland team
07/12/2006, 1:18 PM
endabob1

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Originally Posted by youngirish

Reid was MOTM again last night and has always been an excellent player IMO. He had a miserable time at Tottenham a team with a ridiculous turnover of players (he should have went to Charlton initially when he had the option under Curbishley) but in our WC qualifiers he was consistently one of our best performers along with Given. He's the sort of player though that to really shine needs to be playing week in, week out and not have to worry about being dropped if he has one bad game. He also needs for the team to be built around him in some sense to really show his talent. Neither of the above happenned at Spurs.

Hopefully now he can progress from here and Charlton don't get relegated (which unfortunately I think they will).

HAve to disagree with this. Reid was given every chance at Spurs but the harsh facts are he didn't take them. He was bought as a left sided player but his ahem "physique" meant he wasn't suited to getting up and down the line in the way Duff does (or did) when Reid got injurred he never really looked fit againm it was no real surprise he was let go. He'll do well at Charlton because they'll build a team around him, he wasn't good enough for Spurs to justify doing that in a season when they were pushing for the Champions League.
07/12/2006, 3:45 PM
republicofwhite

I have a feeling Charlton might just escape...and if they do it'll be because of Reid and Scott Carson. I reckon Les Reed has something to offer in the managerial department and he's clearly building the team around Andy Reid at the moment. He raves about him after every single match. Deservedly so,anybody who's following Andy this season will agree that he's been really consistent, and is having a great season. Despite playing for a muck team.
07/12/2006, 9:34 PM
dr_peepee

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

Great performance from him last night. They played him just behind the front two. With three workers behind him. His vision was top notch in my opinion and his passing was very good also. I would rather have the likes of Reid in our team than the Kilbanes of the world. Its all about what type of player we want in our team and I want footballers who keep the ball and I think Reid is one of those.

No doubt about it.. Playing very well.. We all agree he has the abililty. But it brings back the original point of the thread "Where to play him?" Charlton are accomodating him and rightly so with 3 grafters (Kishishev, Faye and whoever). Charlton aren't deploying him in a conventional 4 4 2. I've said and i still believe he we have to use him either as part of a five man midfeild or on side of two central midfielders. For us to accomadate him in the manor in which he's been successfull at Charlton in recent weeks who would you exlcude. Doyle or keane in the case of a lone front man... Or Duff McGeady.

Best midfeild four for me when fit.... Duff, Carsley, S. reid and Andy Reid
08/12/2006, 7:41 AM
drinkfeckarse

He must be in line for the Player of the Month award at this rate. Best form I've ever seen him in.
08/12/2006, 8:57 AM
Dr. Ogba

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Originally Posted by dr_peepee

No doubt about it.. Playing very well.. We all agree he has the abililty. But it brings back the original point of the thread "Where to play him?" Charlton are accomodating him and rightly so with 3 grafters (Kishishev, Faye and whoever). Charlton aren't deploying him in a conventional 4 4 2. I've said and i still believe he we have to use him either as part of a five man midfeild or on side of two central midfielders. For us to accomadate him in the manor in which he's been successfull at Charlton in recent weeks who would you exlcude. Doyle or keane in the case of a lone front man... Or Duff McGeady.

Best midfeild four for me when fit.... Duff, Carsley, S. reid and Andy Reid

Well there's no coincidence that the best I've seen Ireland play in a while (against the Czechs) was when we had the 5 man midfield similar to that of Charlton's....i.e the 2 grafters in Douglas (would have S. Reid back when fit) and Carsley allowing Reid the freedom to spread the ball around and create chances. Unfortunately I don't think Robbie Keane really suits the lone-striker role, would sooner have Kevin Doyle in that position...

I think Reid's still a bit off being the more rounded (excuse the pun) central midfielder that could play in the 442 for us but if he keeps playing this well its definitely something to be looked at in a friendly...
10/12/2006, 2:24 PM
ken foree

well i think it's worth mentioning that he was mediocre yesterday against spurs. did well for charlton's goal and tried to keep the ball moving in the middle when charlton were enjoying possession but he did give it away quite a lot. subbed for hasselbaink with about 20 or 25 mins left i think.
10/12/2006, 2:45 PM
tetsujin1979

According to most reports I've read, Reid was Charlton's best player, and was only taken off because of a hamstring tweak.
10/12/2006, 3:21 PM
eirebhoy

Yeah, I'd usually take Sky Sports ratings with a pinch of salt but he got 7/10 on that when all the others got 5 and 6's.
10/12/2006, 4:11 PM
tetsujin1979

Some quotes about Reid:
From http://football.guardian.co.uk/Obser...968518,00.html

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Andy Reid, taken off after the break with a strained hamstring, was pivotal in the good things Charlton managed before half time

from http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...496435,00.html

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it was unfortunate that Reid had to leave the field injured. He has in recent weeks been the one player who seems capable of calling the tune, making the bullets for others to fire, and occasionally having a shot himself
10/12/2006, 5:18 PM
ken foree

i'd have to disagree, he generally looked off the midfield pace compared to spurs and a slew of relatively straightforward passes went astray. i like andy reid a lot but, regardless of his role in the charlton goal or the reason he was subbed, he was below int'l standard today.
11/12/2006, 1:02 AM
irishfan86

Andy was at the heart of everything Charlton created, but as mentioned here he did give the ball away quite a bit.

He's always looking for those incisive passes, and if you want to play those consistently you're going to give the ball up a few times a match.

Charlton dominated the first part of the match, and you feel 5-1 wasn't an indicator of what they're capable of.

After watching that match I can't see them staying in the bottom 3 much longer, as odd as that may sound.
11/12/2006, 10:28 AM
eirebhoy

Doesn't sound odd at all. I'd be very, very suprised if Charlton were relegated.
11/12/2006, 7:39 PM
Da-Mini

Andy Reid is possibly the most over-rated player Ireland have had. Alongside Kevin Kilbane.:D
11/12/2006, 10:02 PM
eirebhoy

I'd personally worry about your ability to judge a player if you don't rate Andy Reid. :) I've been watching rugby for years and years and even know most of the rules, I couldn't tell how good a certain player is in a million years though.

Kilbane and Reid are not even comparable. Kilbane has no football brain at all. Reid is probably the most intelligient Irish player playing atm.
11/12/2006, 10:17 PM
The Legend

Reid reminds me more of John Sheridan (talented... but gives the impression of being unfit/lazy and sometimes desperately unlucky!)
12/12/2006, 10:02 AM
cavan_fan

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Originally Posted by eirebhoy

Doesn't sound odd at all. I'd be very, very suprised if Charlton were relegated.

Really? Would be stunned if they werent relegated. I predict they will have another new manager yet this season (Pardew?) Just dont see the quality in the team and there is little money to buy. More to the point who are they going to finish ahead of? Watford presumably and maybe Sheff U (thought they have more fight to them), Reading are safe so it would have to be one of last year's teams. That means them doing better than West Ham/Blackburn/Middlesborough/Fulham or Newcastle. I know where my money would be
12/12/2006, 11:38 AM
drinkfeckarse

They certainly have a mountain to climb and I don't know if they have enough quality to score more than the likes of the teams mentioned. I think it's 3 of Sheff Utd, Watford, Charlton, West Ham and Fulham.
12/12/2006, 12:00 PM
eirebhoy

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Originally Posted by cavan_fan

Really? Would be stunned if they werent relegated. I predict they will have another new manager yet this season (Pardew?) Just dont see the quality in the team and there is little money to buy. More to the point who are they going to finish ahead of? Watford presumably and maybe Sheff U (thought they have more fight to them), Reading are safe so it would have to be one of last year's teams. That means them doing better than West Ham/Blackburn/Middlesborough/Fulham or Newcastle. I know where my money would be

Put it that way and you've changed my mind. :) It shows that the premiership is actually a very strong league if a team like Charlton are favourites to go down. They don't seem like a weak team to me. I even look at the table when saying that but I certainly wouldn't have thought Charlton would get relegated at the start of the season.

Boro would probably be the most likely of the teams you mentioned.
12/12/2006, 2:00 PM
paul_oshea

does anybody really care for fulham either way? i wouldnt mind them going down....plus no irish players on the first 11.

is that timlin lad still with them
12/12/2006, 2:38 PM
drinkfeckarse

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

is that timlin lad still with them

Yeah he's still there but in the final year of his contract as far as I can recall. I play with a guy who was at Fulham a couple of years ago and I asked him about Michael a few weeks ago.

He spoke highly enough of him, said he had a bit of bother with injuries in the past but didn't see anything extra in him that gave the impression he could be a major player for the first team. I personally have never seen Timlin play so I can't comment at all.
12/12/2006, 2:41 PM
livehead1

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Originally Posted by cavan_fan

Really? Would be stunned if they werent relegated. I predict they will have another new manager yet this season (Pardew?) Just dont see the quality in the team and there is little money to buy. More to the point who are they going to finish ahead of? Watford presumably and maybe Sheff U (thought they have more fight to them), Reading are safe so it would have to be one of last year's teams. That means them doing better than West Ham/Blackburn/Middlesborough/Fulham or Newcastle. I know where my money would be

where is the quality in the villa side? on paper there about the same, its o do with application
12/12/2006, 2:45 PM
drinkfeckarse

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Originally Posted by livehead1

where is the quality in the villa side? on paper there about the same, its o do with application

Villa while not having world class players have plenty of quality in Mellberg, Barry, Baros, Petrov, Davis, Bouma, Laursen and 1 or 2 more. You're right though in that O'Neill has got them applying themselves again instead of being down in the doldrums.
12/12/2006, 2:47 PM
cavan_fan

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Originally Posted by livehead1

where is the quality in the villa side? on paper there about the same, its o do with application

Villa have Martin O'Neill and a lot of money to spend in the New Year. I suspect Pardew will go to Charlton but he took quite a while to get things moving at West Ham where he had some good young players.

Charlton's line up v Spurs

Carson, Young, Diawara, El Karkouri, Hreidarsson, Sam, Kishishev (Rommedahl 53), Faye, Hughes, Reid (Hasselbaink 67), Darren Bent.
Subs Not Used: Myhre, Holland, Fortune.

The phrase pig's ear comes to mind. There's a lot of oldish players who've never really achieved (Diawara, El Karkouri, Kishishev, Faye, Rommendahl). Then they have Hasselbaink who's a row waiting to happen, Darren Bent suffering 2nd season syndrome and Reid (who is odds on to be injured soon). If I was Pardew I'd take the job expecting relegation and then rebuilding.

Is this getting off topic?
12/12/2006, 3:42 PM
kingdom hoop

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Originally Posted by cavan_fan

Is this getting off topic?

All depends what we read(sorry) into 'position'.. clearly he plays midfield but you can also say he is in a difficult position in playing for a struggling club with no manager and one decent player(bent) to pass the ball to. at least he's getting a bit of coverage for being the shining light in a bad team, who i think will get relegated. both fulham and west ham can play with some panache(i.e. have a little bit of quality) whereas charlton, bar andy, look devoid of ideas and inspiration to the point that their fans must be frustrated and probably feel they will get relegated, putting andy in a tough 'position'.
If you start talking sex positions cavan then it is stretching things a little, lets keep it to football!!
15/12/2006, 2:48 PM
Da-Mini

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Originally Posted by eirebhoy

I'd personally worry about your ability to judge a player if you don't rate Andy Reid. :) I've been watching rugby for years and years and even know most of the rules, I couldn't tell how good a certain player is in a million years though.

Kilbane and Reid are not even comparable. Kilbane has no football brain at all. Reid is probably the most intelligient Irish player playing atm.

I didnt say he was a bad player. Im just saying that he is EXTREMELY OVERRATED. I dont think he should be startin now. Presuming everybodys fit id have S.Reid, Carsley, Duff and McGeady. A.Reid on da bench
Agree with wot u said bout Kilbane though:D
15/12/2006, 3:19 PM
hoops1

Quote:

Originally Posted by eirebhoy

I'd personally worry about your ability to judge a player if you don't rate Andy Reid. :) I've been watching rugby for years and years and even know most of the rules, I couldn't tell how good a certain player is in a million years though.

Kilbane and Reid are not even comparable. Kilbane has no football brain at all. Reid is probably the most intelligient Irish player playing atm.

On what I have seen so far I wouldnt rate Reid either. Kilbane has a football brain but not alot of ability. You dont play over 50 times in international football and not have a football brain. Id rather have Kilbane in my side than
Reid. With Kilbane you know what your going to get. Huge Heart and honesty of effort for every game of the season. With Reid god only knows. If Reid was English noone here would pay any attention to him. He is mediocre at best
15/12/2006, 5:37 PM
eirebhoy

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoops1

On what I have seen so far I wouldnt rate Reid either. Kilbane has a football brain but not alot of ability.

If Kilbane had a football brain we would have been a lot more successful in Cyprus. He gives 100% and is an excellent man marker when playing in central midfield but he's no good at positioning himself, making the right pass, etc. Roy Keane is an example of a player with a fantastic football brain but not the most technically gifted.

Reid is the type of player that gets a lot of respect from teammates because of his intelligience. He's finally getting a decent run at a decent level and hopefully he stays injury free for the rest of the season.
15/12/2006, 7:36 PM
kingdom hoop

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Originally Posted by hoops1

If Reid was English noone here would pay any attention to him.

?? the website is foot.ie and the topic is entitled ireland, terrible point in your argument to begin with.

reid was first choice midfielder at spurs beginning of last season for bout 10 games before he got injured. has anyone here ever paid attention to carrick, jenas or lennon?? oh wait they're english so..........hoops1??

reid was easily one of the best players in the championship(division 1?) for a couple of years at forest at a very youn age, lighting up the league before spurs finally captured his signature after lengthy negotiations for something like 4-6m(?).

he has now moved on to charlton, been given a good run in the team where effectively he has all the responsibility to orchestrate things and has responded superbly. the guy is 25 has had plenty of personal issues and is now being criticised after putting his head down and getting on with his career.

plus some of the goals he's scored..one at forest in particular, hopefully someone can find it in(on) the net..kilbane most likely will pick it up and while he's down there he may as well tie andy's laces;)

mediocre? no way.

debate on his position will rumble on though
18/12/2006, 1:26 PM
tricky_colour

Andy Reid is in the Actim top 100 at number 92.
http://download.howden.press.net/act...dex_top100.pdf
18/12/2006, 2:02 PM
republicofwhite

One of only three Charlton players there, including Bent and Carson, i.e. the players who are too good for Charlton. Paddy Kenny makes a notable appearance! Justification for his supporters!
18/12/2006, 4:31 PM
tricky_colour

There are actually 8 Irish players in the top 100, which is as good as I can remember for a long time. Especially when you consider some of the players not there ie Duff, Given and Keane (our best 3 players?) and Carr

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