We're kinda hoping he's not done yet and will have at least another 10 years to add to his tally, which I consider impressive.Quote:
Originally Posted by thejollyrodger
Is he a mere 5 goals behind Michael Owen in the International goals stakes?
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We're kinda hoping he's not done yet and will have at least another 10 years to add to his tally, which I consider impressive.Quote:
Originally Posted by thejollyrodger
Is he a mere 5 goals behind Michael Owen in the International goals stakes?
And another thing Robbie Keane cant do is head the ball. how many times has he scored from heading the ball.
Tuesday, 10 June 2003.
So Robbie is probably doing about the same as OwenQuote:
And Owen's strike rate isn't too bad either, scoring 20 times in his first 49 matches, but he's hungry for more and will be looking to improve his ratio, starting on Wednesday.
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Originally Posted by sligoman
Don't think your getting away with this crap, come on explain yourself or do you realise what a muppet you have set yourself up as, and are a bit ashamed?
Robbie Keane might be crap.
But he's the best crap we've got.
Laugh night he was the reason we scored any goals you muppet.. The lad is our best striker fair enough he may not be ronaldo but we should support him rather than criticise.Quote:
Originally Posted by LFC in Exile
First off I never said he was crap as someone accused me of earlier. He is the best striker we've got.Quote:
Originally Posted by zinedineontour
I know he scored two golas last night - but one was a penalty. Are you suggesting that nobody else on the team could have scored that penalty. His second goal he recovered from not getting to the ball fast enough to finish fairly well in the end. His other chances - well, it can happen to any striker. What I am really annoyed about is his insistence on taking too much out of the ball, trying to the hard thing instead of laying it off and dropping deep to try to create his own chances. You didn't quote my full comment. I said that every move that went through him broke down. I am not doubting that he is the best striker we have. I agree that he is a talented player - really talented. But last night he had a poor game. And overall he is not as complete a striker as his supporters claim for him. I really think Kerr has got to get him to focus on doing simple things well.
I absolutely do support Robbie at Ireland matches. I hate people that criticise or boo their own players at games. You are there to support, full stop. However, on a forum like this we should not just all wave our virtual inflatable hammers and virtually sing ole ole ole. Go on the Joe Duffy show if you want a forum like that.
France beat them 2-0 as well, and were very lucky to get the result. The first goal came well into the second half.Quote:
Originally Posted by thejollyrodger
Looked off side to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bald Student
Actually, the 2nd goal did too.
Lucky, they were.
Robbie Keane is our best striker in years.
he scored 2 goals and missed a few chances. not exacly a nightmare .........
are some of you forgetting 90th minute against Germany?
or the goal against Iran in landsdowne road...
or the last minute penalty against Spain
Do ye honstley thin kerr shud play some unproved Sunderland striker instead of him.
yer mad.
if Kerr did that ud prob be giving out.
Keane is as good some of Englands Strikers e.g Smith, Defoe.......
and is definetely ireland best
just to put owen's record right, its 28 goals in 65 apperances.
Can a legend be fact? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kowalski
yes it can. FACTQuote:
Originally Posted by LadyJane
It means that no Irishman would say that about KeaneQuote:
Originally Posted by Plastic Paddy
Oh poor Pat-did your sheep break up with ya? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Pat O' Banton
For all you ****s who dont know what i'm on about,I mean a true Irishman would not say that about Keane.Before you say it, I have no problem with English people.I have also edited it now for all you goms!
Thats good to know, problem is i dont see any english posting on here :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by sligoman
oh and by the way people were taking exception to the
quote hence the WTF from plastic paddyQuote:
Originally Posted by sligoman
Can only speak for myself and no, I don't think he should drop Robbie. He is the best striker we have. I am not forgetting those golas but neither am I forgetting his general play in most of his matches. He persists in over elaborating all the time and what some on here are saying is that he needs to cop on to this side of his game. Are we back at the Jack Charlton era when we can't criticise players? Robbie Keane is not that good that he has no room for improvement. He had two good chances fluffed last night - that's tough luck, he can't score them all. But if he was more clever about his general play and didn't overelaborate he should get more than the few chances he got last night.Quote:
Originally Posted by barglee
I dunno, maybe the argument is too subtle for some of the ole ole ole gang on here. :ball:
Robbie was one of the top strikers in the premiership last year and is a firm fan favourite at Spurs. He was brilliant in the world cup in 2002. He scored more goals than any English striker in the WC.
He is only coming back from injury and has not scored any goals in the premiership yet this season.
Let's see how he is doing at Christmas.
As for the team. Well we are unbeaten having taken a point off France and Switzerland away, played great football last Saturday in Paris and are beginning to look the business. Unfortunately we will always have an position or two where we are weak as the pool of players we can draw from is so small.
The improvement in the last year is impressive. :ball: :ball:
The problem here is there's no middle ground with people. Someone is either ****e or world class, and the same goes for a performance/manager etc etc. Robbie Keane is a top class player, one of the better strikers in the EPL but not on the Henry/Van Nistelrooy level. His finishing is erratic, but his movement and ability to get the chances more than make up for it. His all round play is woefully under appreicated by some, he is far more creative than people think, can put a good ball in on either foot and can run at defenders and tear defences apart with his movement which helps his partner. When played beside Duff he suffers as he has to be the out and out striker, which he isn't. Beside Morrison he, and Clinton, flourish as they are the ideal partnership. Robbie isn't world class, not yet anyway, but he's still a top player who most sides would absolutley love to have. Our only problem up front is cover for the front two, the sooner Elliot makes the step up to the senior squad the better.
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Originally Posted by sligoman
Oh dear PJ's moved to Sligo; the dubious second g comments, the I'll say whose Irish and who's not. Its just got to be. :eek: ;)
Listen; almost 300 posts on this board do you think that this comes from an English person? (go on insert a witty answer) Can I repeat that there are quite a few Irish lads who live in England (there is at least one Mr. R. Keane in the N17 area of London), quite a few who are second generation and proud of their upbrining. So why do you think that you can belittle our opinions with such off hand stupid remarks?
Of course were all so grateful for you editing your post, it really makes a difference to what you think doesn't it.
Personally I think Keane is going through a rough patch but is a cracking player. Last night he was at least doing what all good strikers do, repeatedly getting in goal scoring positions and not hiding after missing a couple. A poor performance and two goals I'll take that.
*Oh the sheep coment :D You'll need to be shouting it a bit louder next year so it can be heard all the way up in the Premier Division.
Hey Pat, we're goms, remember? A man such as this is never going to take note of us. After all, we're not the real deal... :rolleyes:
What utter ********, son. Aren't we allowed to have dissenting opinions? Or has the ghost of Eoin O'Duffy returned to haunt us? Grow up or GTF.Quote:
Originally Posted by sligoman
:ball: PP
How do you get to become this 'true Irishman'? Can I become a 'true Irishman' like your good self? Does it require me to indulge in fantasies with sheep?Quote:
Originally Posted by sligoman
Don't see any on here. Any in Sligo? Ones without Irish passports that is??Quote:
Originally Posted by sligoman
Did agree with your re-edited post. Shame you didn't put your brain into gear and put that up in the first place.
two words......DAVID CONNOLLY
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Originally Posted by Slash/ED
great point
to be fair,there isnt many gonna up to this level
does it make u a crap striker if u dont meet their levels...i think not
well pointed out slash
bout time this topic disappeared into oblivion
should this even be a topic FFS
More like a wind up, seeing that the initiator didn't bother posting again. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by thecorner
I notice condex and sligoman are understandably quiet. I agree with the main consensus. robbie has done fairly well, defo parts of the game to work on. his partnership with clinton looks promising mind you.
hmm.. where's that ignore function. oh yes.
Keane is obiously the best we have right now, if he is crap then what are Lee, Doc, Morrison and Connolly?
I guess the question might be would Stapleton or Aldridge or Givens score more goals in this team than Robbie?
Jesus lads, this is going on far too long. :(
The OP is obviously way overboard as there is no reason whatsoever to drop Robbie.
On the other hand Robbie isn't exempt from criticism and could improve his game in a few areas.
Therefore Robbie will be our first-choice striker until someone better can replace him or he retires.
End of story.
Please.
Ok my 2 cent, Keane is as my Dad says; "In on his reputation". I've never really rated him but he can nnick goals, now if you have a guy playing bad and still scoring I would keep him in the team but put somebody prolific in there with him ie. drop Clinton the waster and start Duffer up front
Why this constant hounding of Clinton Morrison. He was excellent against both Cyprus and Switzerland.Quote:
Originally Posted by ccfcman
Before going off injured against France his holding up and laying off of the ball was good, something we sadly missed against the Faroes. :mad: :mad:
Hey pass me whatever you're on it must be some good stuff if you think he was great, granted he scored good goals but he has the presence of a flippin puddle of water.Quote:
Originally Posted by Superhoops
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Originally Posted by ccfcman
Take some time to watch him in a game.
He was a huge loss against France.
We had no outlet from mid-field.
He was one of the only players who could walk off the pitch in Basel with his head held high.
Get well soon Clint.
FFS, Clinton was doing a brilliant job in the Stade de France and in Basel too. He gets on the ball holds it up and makes intelligent passes. He has been working on other areas of his game such as making his presence felt against defenders, a battle which he won before he injured his knee. Off the ball he is our best striker, he draws othe defenders away from the ball, helps open up defences and has a good work ethic.Quote:
drop Clinton the waster and start Duffer up front
Obviously Morrison has been working on all the different parts of his game. Robbie although has scored a lot of goals (fair play to him and give credit were credits due) doesnt look like he has made much progress on the other aspects of his game. That's why I criticise robbie.
As for connolly, I wouldnt let him near the squad.
Doc, clearly not up to the standard.
Clinton and Robbie is all we have. I hope Kerr brings in Elliot for a trail.
Also Duffer up front is not very effective, to be blunt he rarely scores.
Well the presence of a puddle of water stopped gallas having any attacking treat in the first half in paris when clinton goes off suddenly attacks appear on the right. Clinton was holding the ball up great and was one of the best players in the last 3 games before faroe.. Duffer is a winger not a forward as was shown again on wed...Quote:
Originally Posted by ccfcman
so this topic has gone from a robbie keane bashing to a clinton bashing :rolleyes:
The only Clinton basher is ccfcman!Quote:
Originally Posted by thecorner
From Bill George in todays Irish Examiner:Quote:
Originally Posted by ccfcman
....Morrison had gone through nine international matches without a goal but his shooting sights were aligned properly for the qualifying ties against Cyprus and Switzerland....
...Ireland does not possess a player with a consistent goal-scoring record other than Robbie Keane. And it is important that Kerr tries different combinations when possible to identify alternatives, should injury deprive him of Keane and/or Morrison in the future....
...Goal-scoring is all about confidence and Morrison's experiences this season were proof of that. How much more upbeat he looked against Switzerland and in the 40 minutes of action he saw against France after ending 12 months without a goal by scoring against Cyprus....
...It is as well to recognise, however that his (Robbie's) club manager, Jacques Santini at Spurs, does not employ him as an orthodox centre-forward - he is more useful to the team as a support player for the centre-forward. When Morrison is in the Irish team the role Robbie plays is very similar and probably one he is happiest in.
The injury to Morrison highlighted again just how thinly resources for Ireland are spread in key positions....
What do jounalists know about football? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Not a wind-up, just my opinion. He might be the best we have, but that just goes to show how poor our forward options are.Quote:
Originally Posted by lopez
I see a previous poster says that Keane is better than Defoe or Smith , I doubt it, I would have either of these well ahead of Keane.
Robbie Keane is not an out and out striker, he comes too deep which meant that on many occasions on Wednesday we had five in midfield with only a winger left upfront, against a team that a decent LOI team would beat.
No the inititaor had lectures :P
Its not Clinton bashing, I think the team that started v Faroes is our best team.
Indeed she is and the only bleating I hear from her is about another rubbish performance in the rain from Stoke!Quote:
Originally Posted by davros
Begs the question why did the Spurs managers pick Keane ahead of Defoé most games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Condex
Be that as it may I certainly dont agree on Alan Smith being better... if your saying Keane's not an out an out striker Smith has to be even less of one. Compare the number of goals theyve got in the premier league. Also if Robbie Keane was that bad why have his last 3 clubs been Tottenham, Leeds (when they were decent) and Inter Milan (granted he didnt have too much luck in Italy, but if the fact they brought him and many of their fans still think highly of him suggests he's not a bad player).