Well I'm going to hit the hay.
My presence on the site will be greatly diminished over the next week or so because I need to study Microsoft excel and complete this Business Law assignment.
Behave and try not to miss me too much when I'm gone.
Printable View
Well I'm going to hit the hay.
My presence on the site will be greatly diminished over the next week or so because I need to study Microsoft excel and complete this Business Law assignment.
Behave and try not to miss me too much when I'm gone.
You're bringing in new information now. You're mate's friend might just be a bit thick. The picture he's putting forward requires so many assumptions that you'd need to be very crazy or gullible to accept them.
I was tempted to paraphrase Lloyd Bensen at that point.Quote:
Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke
You still including Trap here?Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
I don't believe that story, but some of his decisions tactically and around players were baffling particularly during games - so it might not be that far fetched!
I haven't a clue about you personally, your posts are what define you here, I'll make as many comments in reply to your posts as I see fit and appropriateQuote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
and seeing a lot of yourself in Eirebhoy's posts takes the delusional biscuit.
back to the original thread title: isn't being in Coventry by definition to be ignored?
Some of his baffling decisions paid off too. The fact is he was working with a squad of players who, by and large, he didn't really rate so he tended to have his favourites based on graft rather than ability, and that was reflected in his selections.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
I reminded my mate about the story and had a good laugh about it. He's insistent it's true. Personally, I believe him.
Another funny story is that Trapattoni used to call unnamed player "Stefano" even though that wasn't remotely close to his Christian name. Apparently he used to call all the new(ish) players "Stefano" or "Steve" (Stephen)" regardless of their real names because he gave up on trying to remember them, and possibly because of the proliferation of players called Stephen.
He said he actually liked Trapattoni but some of the players morale totally sank when he was in charge including, understandably, Shane Long.
And geysir, I understand it's your right but it's just constant negativity. I know what you think of my posts. It's just another opinion. Don't let it get to you!
I also see a lot of myself in Stutts. I think we disagree on a few big things but generally we agree on everything else.
Don't laugh.
How much of yourself do you see in Stutts?
My Lloyd Bensen remark earlier probably went over peoples's heads. He was Dukakis'(?) running mate who famously put down Dan Quayle in the VP debate live in TV in the late 80s. Quayle was comparing his career to date with JFK's early career, in context of defending his lack of hard experience. Bensen caustically replied with something like "I worked with Jack Kennedy. I was a friend of Jack Kennedy. I served under Jack Kennedy. Senator Quayle, you're no Jack Kennedy". It was a stunning blow.
I spent years yapping about football here and on soccercentral.ie with eirebhoy. TOWK, you're no eirebhoy.
We do actually agree on many things but unlike you I respond to direct questions even if it means I have to acknowledge a competing opinion trumps my own. I don't ignore questions that require me to admit I'm wrong, and I regularly am wrong.
Also, I make my arguments honestly and systematically. I don't twist ambiguous quotes to suit stupid agendas. I don't even have any agendas. You consistently lace your arguments with sophism and speculation and refuse to desist when you get called on it. Our approach to debate could not be more different.
I'll acknowledge that you do seem to know your stuff and I appreciate the links you post to stories we may not have seen otherwise, but the only similarity between us that I can identify is an inability to use one sentence when ten can be used instead.
Easy there now Mother Superior, I knew exactly what and who you were on about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
I didn't think you were old enough!Quote:
Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke
More than Stutts is comfortable with, evidently.Quote:
Originally Posted by dr_peepee
Careful, you'll be next.
More than stutts sees ; )Quote:
Originally Posted by dr_peepee
Ye probably won't get that....
Coleman is class!
Stutts I know you personally and while you mightn't see much of him in you you still enjoy it...you definitely are quite similar his opinions are pretty spot on and well orchestrated but he goes ott sometimes to take away from his points.
He is nothing like EB tho only in that he writes a lot in one post. Eb did the same but his opinions were always very different to mine and I'd agree with towk and you generally.
I actually thought Stutts had created a second account to back his own opinions up...Quote:
Originally Posted by dr_peepee
Why can't I thank on mobile? Stu there's a thanks there in spirit....you must feel so special.
Towk is young though perhaps its stutts son being coerced/coax/coached/cajoled/ how many more words beginning with c can I add without actually finding the word I'm looking for.DI would have it for me by now.
Nah, that's what he created the doc for :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
So this is how Dave Kelly must have felt after "scoring" against England... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
c*ntish? ;) ;) (only messin TOWK!)Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
PS - Paul, did you mean groomed?
It's "Bentsen" and they lost every state other than Mass I believe. Which seems incredible now.
You guys have got it all wrong, Stutts is not au fait with the devious ways of internet deception. He's way too honest for that.
I should know because he's a chip from the old block, unlike ye rootless gods****s.
You are two peas in a pod with Gastric, Geysir. What happened to him?
The endlessly naive geysir, ladies and gentlemen :)Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Good man stutts you didn't even spell his name right oh wise one :)
Stu its harder to tell on mobile if someone is being smart....so the word groomed. I hope you werent!!!
I've acknowledged that we often agree. The substantial point you seem to miss is the fallacious way he presents many of his key arguments. It's not being OTT, it's being disingenuous.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Thanks for the spelling critique.
What is fallacious? How did I twist Jack's comments in any way, shape or form?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
It would be fallacious if Jack had not mentioned England - or just mentioned England in nonchalant, passing form - and I claimed that he wanted to play for England.
You present firm conclusions from obvious ambiguity.
He's not even suggested he wants to play for England, yet you've been insisting to us that he will and that it is what he secretly intends to do. Similarly, you also tried to twist Robbie Keane's comments on accepting retirement gracefully when his international day comes to suit your own pre-configured conclusions in suggesting that he'll storm out in a huff refusing to play for us ever again if not selected. Robbie has been our most committed servant over the years with 130 caps to his name. There's very little prima donna in him when it comes to playing for Ireland.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
TOWHK seamlessly shifts from the cynical fraudulent argument, to playing the victim.
How have I played the victim? I'm not feeling sorry for myself. What on Earth gave you that conclusion?Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Cynical is calling players like Sammon, McShane, Cox and Walters sh*te even when it may not be warranted. I'll admit that I am guilty of that, just like everyone else. Fraudulent, I think, is an extremely strong word to describe my opinion/argument. I also think it's rather unnecessary.
If I had ascribed quotes to Robbie Keane that never came out of his mouth, that would be fraudulent. If I had no source for said quotes, then that would also be fraudulent. As it turns out, Keane's quotes are in the public domain and reported on in several mainstream papers.
At the end of the day, it's just an opinion. Whether Keane would retire or throw a hissy fit if he was dropped is just conjecture.
But to act like what I said is so incendiary is a bit over the top.
As for Jack Grealish, there is nothing remotely ambiguous about his comments. His intentions, maybe. I never said he would declare for England because I'm not the oracle.
There is also no need for the treatise about what it means to be Irish and English. I have an uncle that has lived practically his entire life in England and plenty of English family members.
It's when a woman and man love each other very,very much and she xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and then he xxxxxxxxxxxx, then she xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, before finally he xxxxxxxxxx.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
Or maybe it's not Stutts getting another spelling wrong and my explanation is, well, fallacious too.;)
That's something Eminence Grise and TOWK have in common: each is a cunning linguist.
TOWK is playing with words in post no. 70 above. In the strict literal sense Grealish's words were clear (unless they were muttered), the intention ambiguous. But it's pure wordsmithery to suggest that a comment can be clear while its intention isn't and to argue on that basis.
Indeed, Stutts, but your thanks took my total to five hundred and, um, sixty-nine...
He what exactly relaxes?..., its only her, you must read the same books or misquote or misspell just like Stutts ; )Quote:
Originally Posted by Eminence Grise
Stutts i think you stole the cunning linguist from me.
I think Towk has the beating of everyone on here, hence the feathers and a few cages rattled, the old heads frown in disgust, a bit of that Bill.
How many goals did robbie score in so many appearances for some such club, did we get to the bottom of that bill ;) I think i know who won that one as well as our friends the rooneys.
I think Towk is using this media as a debating tool to aid his studies.
I think 'cowed' must be the word you're looking for. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Ah, so that's why he doesn't need to bother with responding to half the futile counter-arguments levelled against him?Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Exactly, when one knows, one doesn't need to, secure in the knowledge of oneself.
In Paul O'Shea's world, not engaging with an argument and obfuscating the issue is proof that you're so right you don't even need to back up your points.
Tbh, besides each poster's opinion, this overall debate is not especially important.
"If I'm enjoying it with Ireland and I won't be pressured into playing for England," says Grealish. "The English FA met dad and I before this campaign started and told me where I'd be playing for them (their under 19s). We had already spoken to Noel (King) by that stage and thought, as I'd be with the under 21s, Ireland was the best place for me.
"It's hard to say what's going to happen because I'm only 18, aren't I? For the next couple of years, I want to play for Ireland. That's not saying I'm going to go back to England – just that you never know what's going to happen."
Grealish is happy playing with the U-21s as they offer him more competitive football than the England U-19s. For now he is happy to play for Ireland. His long-term future is clearly left open for interpretation.
Will someone - for the love of God - please tell me how I manipulated what he was saying?
I appreciate the comment he made on Twitter. He was hardly going to say "Yeah I'm playing for the U-21s now and I'm going to up and leave when England give me senior recognition."
I also appreciate the fact that the rules state that he is free to declare for any country he is legally obliged to.
I also appreciate the fact that cultural identity is a subject that I may have underestimated but to be completely frank I think that is utterly irrelevant in this case. Just my opinion and I am entitled to it.
Some of you really resemble a baying mob.
As for Robbie Keane... I've already said my piece on that, suffice to say that people accused me of lying about certain quotes and then I produced said quotes sourced in The Irish Independent and Guardian.
The comments are in the public domain and perfectly decipherable. We can all read whatever we want into them without losing basic courtesy.
Bottom line. Jack is ours for now, I hope it stays that way and he is entitled to change allegiances if he wants to.
Hopefully if Robbie is picked against Scotland, Germany and Poland, he can bang in the goals.
Plain as!