I agree, Delaney has his part to play in this too. I think it was Tommy Docherty who said that any chairman who sacks a manager he himself appointed should resign at the same time.
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I agree, Delaney has his part to play in this too. I think it was Tommy Docherty who said that any chairman who sacks a manager he himself appointed should resign at the same time.
In fairness neither Stan nor Delaney let the ball doink off their head to give the Cypriots an easy goal, or put in a park football tackle in the box to give away a needless penalty. Andy O'Brien on the other hand did both. Paddy Kenny also gave a goal away.
Ultimately we had 14 highly paid professional footballers representing our country who could not summon the collective nous to beat one of the weakest teams in Europe.
Yes, the management of the FAI and the Ireland team itself may be all wrong, but the players are the most culpable for this defeat.
If I knew they were the best 11 available then I'd agree but its stans fault he has the players he has playing.Quote:
Originally Posted by el punter
We should not have been in a position where Ireland was playing or where Clinton was playing.
Its Stans fault and Delaneys fault for appointing him.
The manager is wholly responsible for defensive organistation...Quote:
Originally Posted by el punter
Of corse Delaney should go. But he deserved the axe long before tonight, and it's got nothing to do with his deecision not to renew Kerr's contract.
Yes, players made mistakes but despite individual errors we came up well short. Losing 5-2 is a lot better than a waxy crappy result that ends up in us finishing 4th again.
We are not up to the standard required. Why?
There's no easy answer but I think every one of us be it wig-wearing ole ole fan, EPL / SPL armchair regular, eL hardcore, local or national politician or whatever has to look at himself tonight and ask if he's part of the problem.
Funnily enough, the domestic league's status is rising while the national team's fortunes plummets. I'm no eL fundamentalist but I am a proud Irishman. We can hold our own & even excel in all walks of life if we put our minds to it. It looks to me that the future of Irish football would be best served if the Irish actually had more input into it. Where exactly is the alignment of interest beteen the British club system and our national fortunes?
National team - 25th in europeQuote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
eL ranking - 35th in europe.
The eL had bad couple of years 4-5 years ago so with even modest couple of years ahead will be in the top 30 soon. This with effectively little or no FAI support. Top 20 is achieveable with a bit of FAI & public support.
John Delaney has managed to set Irish football back 100 years in a matter of months. The Waterford man must have an agenda to destroy the game from within. He didn't want Brian Kerr as the manager from the very start, so he did everything in his power to have him removed. Then he hired Staunton. He is single handedly to blame for the greatest national shame since Michelle Smith.
There's no point getting rid of Staunton unless we get rid of Delaney too.
Limassol v Cork City FC in Nicosia had a bigger crowd than that game last night. Last year, there were 14,000 Irish in that stadium. We'll end up playing in half empty stadiums, like Wales, if John Delaney is allowed to continue!
is it something to do with the fact that the said person is from "Wahherfurr".
Give over your obesession with Delaney. He is not the cause of our current malaise. Its due to 30 years of neglect.
I blame the parents.
The fact that I despise people from Waterford and Louth is secondary to the pain I feel due to the damage Delaney and Staunton are doing to the game I love. You can remain loyal to your fellow county man but don't dare try to defend him to me. I shudder to think of the damage he could do to the eircom League.Quote:
Originally Posted by Partizan
Good God Almighty... I thought all that crap was done & dusted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peadar
wouldnt be that hard on Delaney...he did support the Super Draw in the the Showgrounds.....ok,maybe you are right.
Now, now a bit of objectivity please. Waterford people are human too (allegedly). But Delaney and his cronies were of course completely at fault for last night's fiasco.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peadar
We're ****ed. I'm off to search for Scottish ancestors.
Delaney out now before he can do any more damage
Can a mod please put up a poll for the following.
Should John Delaney be fired?
You may as well add a poll to see if people on here think the world is round.
Course he should be fired and of course everyone thinks so.
Exercise in futility.
I don't know what either Delaney's or Staunton's salaries are. But I suspect they're both on a pretty penny and have good contracts. COnsequently if they're both fired I reckon it may cost the FAI immediately maybe 1.5 million in compensation. That doesn't include the cost of offloading the various other hangers on, including Robson.
How much will that leave to recruit a decent new manager? Little or nothing I suspect.
We're up the swanny without a paddle I am afraid. Damed if we do and damned if we don't.
Hpw much will he cost us in lost revenue if things continue they way they are?Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
That's the obvious reply but my point was we won't be able to afford anyone better.
It's a disaster but those who call for heads to roll have to realise the price of heads, like that of houses, is very expensive.
If I remember right Staunton is on about EUR 400k a year, Robson about half that. Peanuts compared to what Robson is used to, but I doubt money was his motivation. Kerr earned EUR 450k.
No idea what Delaney earns. Is it a full time job for him? Isn't he a solicitor or something like that anyway?
How do you sack the boss anyway? He should do the decent thing and resign. He gave his word that if Genesis wasn't implemented within 12 months he'd do just that. Surely there must be some grounds for his colleagues to force him out. If he resigned there'd be no compensation.
It's nothing to do with the fact he's from Waterford. It's to do with the fact that he is a uselss ****,how couldn't organise a **** up in a brewery,let alone be the head of a national football association!Quote:
Originally Posted by Partizan
DELANEY MUST GO
Without a doubt!Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkyH
The reason why some Waterford fans are defending him is because he is the only thing that can save them from being put into the
1st division next season!
Delaney will never resign so thats out of the question. he could only be forced out from pressure from the fans and not the fai itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
...and much like irish midfield the irish fans do not have much strength...
...i'm afraid this will blow over after weds...no matter what the result...
Staunton has to go + hangers on too. I knew he would'nt resign. Who other than the FAI would employ him? Paying him off is a huge financial problem for the FAI (of their own making). But for the sake of Irish football he has to go now . The money can be recouped in the long term by having a proper manager that the fans believe in. Delaney will have to resign. He will be forced out by fans. Watch what happens. He will never have faced the type of invective which is to flow his way. And he deserves it. So "Seanie" get out now before things get too hot.
would love to see it happen but....Quote:
Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar
alot of 1000+ posters (those that slag off and do zip, nada nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
on here kept silent during the red card protest...i can see the same stuff happen again....
it makes me sick to the core!!!!!
we have to honest with ourselves...we let himQuote:
Originally Posted by Peadar
You will refuse to listen to his opinions because his opinions are different from yours. Very mature.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peadar
im no great fan of his but he is 100 times better than the fool menton that went before him. Delaney works hard and is very professional and applies that in all the changes for the good he has done since he organised his mafia to clear the way for him. The biggest change of all though was the manager of the national squad and for that he threw all his professionalism out the window unexplainably appointing a u13 coach of walsall to the most important job in the fai. For that he should pay with his job soon we will be ranked outside the 100 and all the good work done previously counts for nothing and it all happened on Delaneys watch
most people had their cards taken off them and most people who follow ireland do not use or have never heard of this site.Quote:
Originally Posted by onenilgameover
for sure bill but there was alot of heads on here keeping silent....those that mouth off all day but are afraid to actually do something...they are as much to blame as anyone..Quote:
Originally Posted by Billsthoughts
now look where we are....
we all have a responsibility to football in this country....that is if thats what we want
He's on something similar, as far as I understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
And Peadar - Delaney's not from Waterford. He's from Tipp...
I think Delaney should be allowed to stay in his job. He was the only CEO with the balls to stand up to G-14, even though I think he is wrong, and he must be admired for his determination and dedication.
How long has he been in that job now?? Has he had a minutes rest from the press, etc? He is a man with direction. He knows what he's doing. He has plans to put a decent structure in place in our league. It's about time someone in the FAI got off their arses and did something about the league.
Whether it works or not is to be seen, but at least give the guy a chance. No one would want to be in a job where you're constantly harrassed by the media and your employers (the Irish fans) and you've no support.
Give the guy a break. Let him get on with his job. We won't know how football in this island ends up til the Genesis report is over and done with.
Superfrank, you've put nothing in your post to back up your opinion.
Delaney is a man with direction? What's that? Down?
He's had loads of peace from the press. He's hardly been mentioned by the press in two or three years in charge. He started one interview by saying that he hardly ever does interviews. He's best friends with some of the press (McDermott) and ensuers that he gets peace.
The guy's had a chance. He promised a world class manager and delivered Staunton. He's screwed over eL fans on their tickets. He's presided over the league moving into near chaos with one bankruptcy and three winding-up orders despite the presence of UEFA Licencing. He's presided over the U-21s becoming one of the worst teams in Europe, yet sticks with the manager. He appoints an agent to manage a B team, which is a clear conflict of interests. He's not presiding over the demise of the international team from second (2002) to third (2004) to fourth (2006) to quite possibly fifth (2008).
The sooner he's gotten rid of, the better.
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Originally Posted by superfrank
The Genesis report!
Seriously..Today is not a day for Jokes!
Speaking of the Genesis secondary school report, didn't he say he would resign if all the suggestions of the first part were not implemented within a year?
Thing is, it was never published, so we don't know what's happened.
The Genesis Report, as far as I know, was basically his way of backstabbing his way to the top. Out his enemy (Menton) and clear all opposition. Genesis - as we can see from the eL report - seem to have been quite happy to be given an answer and asked to come up with a question.
No, simply because I don't believe firing Delaney will make any difference to the attitude of the FAI or direction in which football in the country is going.
Pointless firing him.
Delaney appointed a Manager with little or no Managerial experience. Last nights result makes us the laughing stock of European football and that hurts. If Stan continues with his 4 year plan, it will set us back ten years in terms of FIFA rankings. The loyal fans who pay good money to travel to support the team and pay top dollar to buy home match tickets deserve better. The fans who made the trip to Cyprus and had to witness that rubbish will need psychiatric support when they get home.
Delaney appointed Stan, he must carry the can......
:mad: :mad:
He has to go. Kerr was let go on the basis of getting a world class manager in - we got a Walsall reserve team manager. No one's gonna tell me that Kerr would've presided over that shíte on Saturday night.
This is on top of the debacle that is FAI controlled licensing with has allowed a club go out of business mid season, 3 winding up orders, and the league generally in financial disarray (because they never fookin implemented the thing). Add in the draconian punishments for clubs who dare have dissenting voices on the terraces or anything mildly critical in their programmes or have a message board on their site (not to mention if they get sponsorship from an eircom rival). Nothing has been done to address the situation of underage managers and those involved with the national team advising young players that they must leave the eL at any cost. Whilst presiding over some truly awful results themselves.
As to the way forward, I've said it many times. The only option is to invest in football in this country so that we develop our own players rather than rely on the failing UK system. The League should be the focus of resources to develop academy's to develop players with the technical skills to compete in modern world football. If that means bringing in foreign coaches, even in the senior roles, then so be it. This is where we maybe able to attract one of the genuine world class coaches - give them complete control from the bottom up to and including the national team. All junior, intermediate and school boy clubs should feed into this. Any player who leaves outside of this system should never get capped, and then we'll see how many the "nursery" clubs who only seem interested in names on a plaque will send over at 14.
This will never happen of course, because the Irish football public won't support an approach that disassociates itself from “their” clubs. No more than with politics, the public get the international team they deserve.