If referee from Derry had made the same decisions against Shelbourne
in a game at the Brandywell, there would be uproar.
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If referee from Derry had made the same decisions against Shelbourne
in a game at the Brandywell, there would be uproar.
Do you also believe that all the landbanks around Dublin were re-zoned for the good of the nation?Quote:
Originally Posted by sfc red
If the ref was simply incompetent, the bad decisions would even out. Tuite has been involved in 2 consecutive games & didn`t give us one break.
He even sent Darren Kelly off during a defensive free kick to clean off a small amount of blood.
Post match interviews Stephen Kenny alluded to an unfair disadvantage, having to scrape for everything in the leauge. Its funny how he is actually saying it now and we have been saying it for years aswell. It funny the way managers like Rico, Dolan and Kenny all were aware of the advantage in Dublin and never said a wrod but when they were on the receiving end of this imbalance, they despair at being restricted when trying to highlight it, at the mercy of rule changes etc. to try and silence it aswell.
Its funny isn't it !! :o :mad:
EL Refs. Biased ? I don't believe so. Completely and utterly incompetent ? Hell yes....
Anyone who says that Jennings deserved to be sent off self-evidently doesn't have a fcukin clue about the rules of football (and that includes Tuite). The rules are very clear - with the playing running away from goal and 2 City defenders behind the keeper when the incident happened, Jennings should've received a yellow card and a free kick against, but not a sending off. I don't give a fcuk about anyone's personal opinions on this - the rules are very clear on what should have happened. End of story.
I don't buy into conspiracy theories, but the refs are just complete and utter sh!te. The league has come on leaps and bounds in terms of its professionalism, but our refs haven't changed a bit. This point needs to be made very loudly and very clearly to the FAI.
This is the type of thing the NLSA should be looking to raise. Clubs can't criticise refs, as they risk fines etc. The fans, however, can. Why doesn't the NLSA write a letter to John Delaney stating that the level of refeering is now damaging the league, listing the more ridiculous decisions this year (Bohs goal, Bohs non-goal, Jennings sending off etc), and then press release the leter to the national media as well ? Papers will love the whole 'national fans representative body openly criticises refeering standards' angle. If the NLSA doesn't exist to tackle things like this, what does it exist for....?
Is there a subsection for a Comedy POTM?Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
in fairness maybe all three genuienly didnt notice until being on the recieving end for a period of time, as with everyone's view on here, in one of matches it can easily be view as complete incompetence, and sometimes it is, re bohs v derry this year at dalymount. However when these managers are at cork/derry and its week in week out, and the same refs all the time,Quote:
Originally Posted by A face
Steve, im not stating there is a conspiracy and all that crap, as in organised (but if someone proved it i would be shocked either), but every single time certain specific refs FROM DUBLIN ref derry or cork, they personnally are biased, they to mess things up you have refs like kelly who are incompetent and on one off games can look biased one way or the other, however over a course of a season / couple of seasons screws everyone,
However, year after year, season after season there are are a few refs who show clear bias, tuite and stokes being the main two and they showed clearly again this week.
In any other league these muppets would be moved from referee when matches involving derry and cork. Tuite has been like that for as long been around, so has stokes, and everyone regularly following derry, the second they hear there names, are waiting for it, we are so used to it.
I wouldnt state conspiracy but a clear bias by individual refs, and anyone stating that referees dont have some sort of bias are deluding themselves.
Tip for OneRedArmy, in that incident the referee applied the rules, what do you want him to do - ignore them ? Make up your mind !Quote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
I'm looking forward to this bias on Sunday in Derry, I doubt we'll get it though somehow. :rolleyes:
Funny all the Dubs here believe there is no biased refs, just bad.
Dub referees are rotten to the core, when refereeing Shels games.
Read a report on the game on the Shels site and you will read that Tuite also missed a cert penalty when Heary handed in the box.
But that's not biased just bad.
He could have given Jenning a yellow card, but give him a Red one
But that's not biased just bad.
He could have given Forde a yellow card, but give him a Red one
But that's not biased just bad.
He could have given Brennan a yellow card, but give him a Red one
But that's not biased just bad.
He could have given Heary a Red card, but he ignored the punch he threw.
But that's not biased just bad.
ALL these decisions went Shels way
But that's not biased just bad
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Originally Posted by 1Davy
And what about all the decisons that have gone Derry's way.
Brennan's red card was fully merited. He lunged in making no attempt to win the ball and if he connected then he could have ended Heary's season.
Owen Heary didnt throw a punch against Brennan, he swung his arm and made barely more then minimal contact. Brennan made a meal of it and the ref knew it.
David Forde was dismissed on the actions of an assistant referee, not the match referee. I thought it was harsh but the goalkeeper did come out of his area and handle the ball.
You are going on like Derry never ever gained an advantage from shoocking refereeing decisions. If Shels lose the title by a few points will Derry, in the interest of fair play concede the title to Shels because Derry got a penalty for nothing against Bohs in July and subsequently 2 points more then they probably would have got? Will they fukk.
The standard of refereeing in the eircom league is appalling. Bohs have been on the receiving end of shockers that were plain wrong, Derry have been on the receiving end of referee's interpretations of the rules.
Get over it, you werent complaining when they were going your way so quit with this bullsh1t when they are not.
In our beloved Sovereigns language could you explain what or who Dublin City are/were? ********!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheridan
I'm suprised the irony of you posting in English passed you by in the first place you Anglicised hure! Now, have you not got a dictionary you should be reading because your big words are very impressive.
Rubbish moved here. Keep it up lads, I'm looking forward to bannng ye.
How about sending him off for treatment when the challenge occurred & the bleeding starter, not coincidentally at a random time later when defending a set pieceQuote:
Originally Posted by aido1895
Everyone has their own opinion on this and MHO is that refs are biased no question!! No amount of barking at how one ref done this or that will change my thinking!!
100% definite red card. The keeper was 10 yards outside his box & his hand prevented the ball from advancing towards the goal. What other decision could the ref give.Quote:
Originally Posted by City till I Die
Only saw the replay & brainless goalkeeping of the highest degree. Keepers have a penalty area for a reason. What was he doing outside the box? What other decision could the ref give? You cannot leave players off because they thick.Quote:
Originally Posted by City till I Die
but your only saying they are biased about decisions that have gone against Derry, not the decisions that have gone your wayQuote:
Originally Posted by City till I Die
I think in your post you mixed up the two Pete but about the Jennings one i think it was a free kick and a yellow card. It doesnt matter if the keeper was outside his box, the rules are the same for keepers outside the box as a defender.Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
If it had been a defender made that tackle with the keeper and another defender behind him the ref would not have given a red card. Poor call, should have consulted the linesman
Thats prob because when we play a dublin club with a dublin ref we get very few if any decisions our way at all!! There are refs who are genuinely ****e but there are also those who are genuinely biased!!Quote:
but your only saying they are biased about decisions that have gone against Derry, not the decisions that have gone your way
Naw because we dont have biased refs towards us when playing dublin clubs with dublin refs
Last year, lowly Galway United had to go to Turners Cross for a Cup replay. Local ref, Alan Kelly officiated. Extra Time seemed likely as the minnows from the First Divison were standing up to Premier Divison leaders.
And then City got a penalty for nothing. The rest is history.
Cork referee bias? If there was a ref from Galway, Sligo, Derry, wherever, then he (or indeed she) should not be the ref.
Same can be said of Dublin refs when Dublin teams are playing. It's an age old story.
All this crap about "its football" really gets on my wick. Crap refereeing and biased refereeing is part of the reason why teams live or survive. And it is a big deal!!Quote:
big deal. get a life, its football. teams get screwed every week one way or the other. nothing to do with biased dub refs, just poor officials. I can understand derry fans whinging if you were in relagation trouble but you are flying high so big deal. o ye, good luck in paris.
This shud never have been allowed to happen! There shud always be a rule, even at that common sense shud prevail as refs from a city shud not be allowed to officiate in games involving teams from the same city as the ref. The English Premiership is an example; Mark Clattenburg is from Newcastle, when they are playing, he is probably at the other side of the country officiating in another game. The FA Cup is another example, Mike Dean was scheduled to ref the FA Cup final but was pulled out because he was from the wirral and Liverpool reached the final. This was to avoid any chance of the ref being biased! Things like this only make people like Roddy Collins and Dermot Keely who criticise the league for being amateur sound as if they are right! And none of us want that......do we?Quote:
Last year, lowly Galway United had to go to Turners Cross for a Cup replay. Local ref, Alan Kelly officiated. Extra Time seemed likely as the minnows from the First Divison were standing up to Premier Divison leaders.
And then City got a penalty for nothing. The rest is history.
Cork referee bias? If there was a ref from Galway, Sligo, Derry, wherever, then he (or indeed she) should not be the ref.
Same can be said of Dublin refs when Dublin teams are playing. It's an age old story.
I'm sick of this pro-Dublin conspiracy nonsense. I'm from Dublin, and I'd as soon shaft Bohs as Cork. I have no particular dislike of either, but the fact that Bohs are from Dublin would mean sweet FA to me.
There's a difference between being corrupt and being incompetant!Quote:
Originally Posted by City till I Die
So it's true, Bray and Drogheda are in Dublin? I knew it! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by el punter
That's complete nonsense! There are more clubs and more referees from Dublin. Are we to stagger the league so that we cancel games for Dublin clubs, simply because there's no referee from a neutral county available?Quote:
Originally Posted by City till I Die
Why do people think that referee's are fans of a club, just because they're from the same county? If anything, the very fact that they decided to become a referee would suggest that they dislike football and want to harm it.
The Galway thing in the cup is just sour grapes. The game was replayed at short notice, during the week and Alan Kelly was available. Galway were never going to win anything so crying over that game for well over a year is just plain sad.
I nor anyone else never said refs were fans of any particular clubs!! I said they were biased towards clubs!!Quote:
Why do people think that referee's are fans of a club, just because they're from the same county?
Things like this show people like Collins and Keely know wot they are talking about. The League should have prepared themselves incase there was a replay and assigned a ref for that game at notice before the tie. We all preach at how we think Collins and Keely talk the biggest load of balls but every time things like this happen, they sound more and more correct about this league!!Quote:
The Galway thing in the cup is just sour grapes. The game was replayed at short notice, during the week and Alan Kelly was available. Galway were never going to win anything so crying over that game for well over a year is just plain sad.
Don't forget Sean Hargan. Could have picked up about 6 yellow cards over the 2 games recently, got one. Should have been sent off in both games, early in both games aswell (first half in both could have gone). Stayed on the pitch for both.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1Davy
Clearly another case of someone favour Shelbourne.
Piece in the Sindo today claiming Dub ref bias, on the basis of the Shels-Derry debacle.
Neatly evades any mention of the serial atrocities committed against Bohs this season.
Two examples involving Pats:
First one was last night, us away to Sligo, ref was Hancock - from Dublin. Their winger was about three yards off when he received a pass, he crossed into the box, they scored and their fightback was on.
Second one was a cup game a few years ago, ref was that stumpy little bald tosser from Dublin, now retired from ref'ing and whose name I have thankfully forgotten (possibly Whelan but don't hold me to that). Pats are 1-0 up heading into the half time break, Ozo gets chopped in half by an opponent, opponent lands on top of him, Ozo pushes him off angrily, Ozo gets red card, everyone knows how influential he was for us, we end up losing. The game? Away to Derry in the Brandywell.
Pushed him off angrily, he hit him a slap in the face FFS!!!Quote:
Ozo pushes him off angrily
any link??
Learn the rules of the game and then come back and join the discussion about how they are applied.Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
3 word "clear goalscoring opportunity". Doesn't matter if the keeper is 2 yards outside the box or 20 and it doesn't matter whether its a handball or a trip.
Sweeney's article;
T has long been an article of faith among Eircom League fans outside the capital that some big Dublin teams have benefitted from poor refereeing decisions. Back in the days of the League of Ireland, Shamrock Rovers were the top Dublin team and the chief beneficiaries. These days it's Shelbourne who seem to get a perpetual rub of the green.
This could not have been more graphically demonstrated than it was on Friday night during the biggest match of the season so far in domestic soccer.
I should make it clear that I'm not accusing Paul Tuite (Friday night's referee) of anything other than making a terrible call, in good faith, at a crucial moment. With second-placed Derry City leading 2-0 at Tolka Park and apparently cruising to victory, their goalkeeper Pat Jennings was sent off for bringing down Jason Byrne.
The fact that there were a couple of Derry defenders in covering position meant the offence looked worth no more than a yellow card. Don't just take my word for it, that was the opinion of Shelbourne stalwart Mick Neville after the game.
The net result of this howler by the referee was that the game changed completely. Derry did not have a goalkeeper on the bench so they were forced to put striker Stephen O'Flynn between the sticks. So, in addition to being a man short they had no recognised 'keeper. Shels duly scored two goals, neither of which would have gone in had Jennings been there, and earned a draw which could be crucial in the title race.
City manager Stephen Kenny was understandably apoplectic after the final whistle speaking about Derry being "isolated in the North West," with no one to fight their corner and vowing that his players would rise above it. Kenny just happens to be the best young manager the League has ever produced, having wrought miracles on a budget, first with Longford and now with Derry.
He is not one of life's complainers, but Kenny knows which way the cookie tends to crumble. Fans of Derry, of Sligo Rovers, of Cork City and Finn Harps have witnessed a series of appalling decisions over the years, decisions which have had a material effect on the destination of honours.
Mistakes happen. But this mistake might well cost Derry the league title.
Had they won in Tolka, as they undoubtedly would have if that red card hadn't been so hastily flashed, they'd have been just four points behind Shelbourne with three games in hand. Now the gap is seven. You can be sure the scheduling of those extra games won't do the Candystripes any favours.
Every season there is much big talk from the likes of Shels about the necessity to improve the Eircom League. But one obvious flaw is never addressed. The standard of refereeing is a total joke. It doesn't matter what structural tinkering you do with the league if you can't guarantee the highest standards of refereeing for the teams on the pitch.
After Friday Derry might be wondering if they'd get better treatment in the Irish League. And perhaps, just perhaps, the big Dublin clubs won't mind them wondering.
Looks to me like Mr Sweeney was somewhat inspired by this thread and just padded out a few of the posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonofstan
If Kenny had put another keeper on the bench the other night then Derry would have probably won and he wouldn't have to keep harping on about refs.
Think they are more than likely crap as opposed to biased.Always thought Tuite wasn't too bad, Stokes is awful.
Pffffff. I'll see your red card and raise you a penalty for a handball in the box that wasn't a handball and wasn't in the box back in 2004 (Ref: D McKeon - Dublin.)Quote:
Pats are 1-0 up heading into the half time break, Ozo gets chopped in half by an opponent, opponent lands on top of him, Ozo pushes him off angrily, Ozo gets red card, everyone knows how influential he was for us, we end up losing. The game? Away to Derry in the Brandywell.
Sorry, but it's going to be hard to beat our three aces, all from this year - the penalty that wasn't a penalty and was 3 yards outside the box (McKeon, in Drogheda), the goal that was a goal but wasn't given because Alan Kelly thought it instead defied the laws of physics (Paul Devlin in the Carlisle grounds) and the 'goal' that was given that never came close to crossing the line (Drogs at Dalymount)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheridan
I should have clarified that Mr McKeon's spatial confusion favoured Derry City over Dublin City in a fixture at the Brandywell.
Is this thread still going?:eek:
Oh, the pathology has yet to attain its fastigium. Observe this case study for a stark demonstration of just how intellectually debilitating the condition can become.
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Originally Posted by Éanna
Most quotes bar the personal attacks from cork fans were true! They wur robbed and typical Shels try defend the fact they got away with an extremely shocking decision by the linesman. Exact same with the Drogs goal against bohs a few weeks ago! I am pointing out here that the standard of refereeing is brutal but when it comes to regional teams playing shels or some other dublin clubs with a dublin ref in charge they are either robbed by shocking refereeing or made to fight for every decision, unlike the dubliners who have it spoon fed to them! Its disgraceful!!Quote:
Oh, the pathology has yet to attain its fastigium. Observe this case study for a stark demonstration of just how intellectually debilitating the condition can become.
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Originally Posted by Éanna
Those officials were paid to give shels that game. I have no doubt whatsoever- I'll swear it on everything I own. It was a fix. Whether shels bought him, or Setanta paid him off to make the final game more interesting i don't know, but the goal aside (I haven't seen it on tv yet) he gave every possible (and some impossible) decisions to shels. Robbery of the highest order. The fact that EVERY player (shels included) played on afterwards is proof enough IMO
Message for Shels and their fans- don't bother calling George a cheat after tonight, ok?
Is your ground built yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by d f x-