...and off in the background the ghostly voice of Debbie Gibson could be heard singing "Only in My Dreams"Quote:
Originally Posted by Bungle
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...and off in the background the ghostly voice of Debbie Gibson could be heard singing "Only in My Dreams"Quote:
Originally Posted by Bungle
;)
Its changed a little since October with our wonderful wins against San Marino and Wales but hopefully the latest coefficients will be out soon.
National Team Ranking
Including all results up to Wednesday 11 October 2006
Rank Rank Country WC 2006 Qual EC 2008 Qual Total
2005 Pl Pt Ave Pl Pt Ave Pl Pt Ave
1 (7) Germany - - - 3 9 3.000 3 9 3.000
2 (1) Netherlands 12 32 2.667 4 10 2.500 16 42 2.625
3 (6) Sweden 10 24 2.400 4 12 3.000 14 36 2.571
4 (8) Croatia 10 24 2.400 3 7 2.333 13 31 2.385
5 (4) Czech Rep 12 27 2.250 4 10 2.500 16 37 2.313
6 (15) Serbia 10 22 2.200 4 10 2.500 14 32 2.286
7 (2) England 10 25 2.500 4 7 1.750 14 32 2.286
8 (3) Portugal 12 30 2.500 3 4 1.333 15 34 2.267
9 (11) Poland 10 24 2.400 4 7 1.750 14 31 2.214
10 (9) Italy 10 23 2.300 4 7 1.750 14 30 2.143
11 (10) Turkey 12 23 1.917 3 9 3.000 15 32 2.133
12 (13) Romania 12 25 2.083 3 7 2.333 15 32 2.133
13 (5) France 10 20 2.000 4 9 2.250 14 29 2.071
14 (21) Ukraine 12 25 2.083 3 6 2.000 15 31 2.067
15 (14) Greece 12 21 1.750 3 9 3.000 15 30 2.000
16 (17) Denmark 12 22 1.833 3 7 2.333 15 29 1.933
17 (27) Israel 10 18 1.800 3 7 2.333 13 25 1.923
18 (16) Russia 12 23 1.917 3 5 1.667 15 28 1.867
19 (19) Norway 10 18 1.800 3 6 2.000 13 24 1.846
20 (22) Slovakia 12 23 1.917 4 6 1.500 16 29 1.813
21 (18) Switzerland 10 18 1.800 - - - 10 18 1.800
22 (12) Spain 10 20 2.000 3 3 1.000 13 23 1.769
23 (20) Bulgaria 10 15 1.500 4 8 2.000 14 23 1.643
24 (28) Scotland 10 13 1.300 4 9 2.250 14 22 1.571
25 (32) Finland 12 16 1.333 4 8 2.000 16 24 1.500
26 (31) Austria 10 15 1.500 - - - 10 15 1.500
27 (23) Bosnia-Herz 10 16 1.600 4 4 1.000 14 20 1.429
28 (24) Rep Ireland 10 17 1.700 3 1 0.333 13 18 1.385
29 (25) Belgium 10 12 1.200 4 7 1.750 14 19 1.357
30 (30) Hungary 10 14 1.400 4 3 0.750 14 17 1.214
31 (26) Latvia 12 15 1.250 3 3 1.000 15 18 1.200
32 (29) Slovenia 10 12 1.200 3 3 1.000 13 15 1.154
33 (42) N Ireland 10 9 0.900 4 7 1.750 14 16 1.143
34 (33) Estonia 12 17 1.417 3 0 0.000 15 17 1.133
35 (35) Lithuania 10 10 1.000 3 4 1.333 13 14 1.077
36 (39) Macedonia 12 9 0.750 4 7 1.750 16 16 1.000
37 (40) Belarus 10 10 1.000 4 4 1.000 14 14 1.000
38 (36) Albania 12 13 1.083 3 1 0.333 15 14 0.933
39 (34) Wales 10 8 0.800 3 3 1.000 13 11 0.846
40 (38) Georgia 12 10 0.833 4 3 0.750 16 13 0.813
41 (43) Cyprus 10 4 0.400 3 3 1.000 13 7 0.538
42 (41) Armenia 12 7 0.583 3 1 0.333 15 8 0.533
43 (45) Liechtenstein 12 8 0.667 3 0 0.000 15 8 0.533
44 (37) Iceland 10 4 0.400 4 3 0.750 14 7 0.500
45 (48) Malta 10 3 0.300 3 3 1.000 13 6 0.462
46 (44) Moldova 10 5 0.500 4 1 0.250 14 6 0.429
47 (47) Andorra 12 5 0.417 4 0 0.000 16 5 0.313
48 (46) Azerbaijan 10 3 0.300 4 1 0.250 14 4 0.286
49 (50) Kazakhstan 12 1 0.083 4 2 0.500 16 3 0.188
50 (49) Faroe Isles 10 1 0.100 4 0 0.000 14 1 0.071
51 (51) San Marino 10 0 0.000 2 0 0.000 12 0 0.000
52 (52) Luxembourg 12 0 0.000 3 0 0.000 15 0 0.000
53 (--) Montenegro - - - - - -
I'd usually leave it until after Wednesday's matches but I'm bored.
Code:World Cup 2006 Euro 2008
Team Played Points Played Points Avg Points
1 A Germany 5 13 2.600
2 A Sweden 10 24 4 12 2.571
3 A Holland 12 32 5 11 2.529
4 A Croatia 10 24 5 13 2.467
5 A Portugl 12 30 5 10 2.352
6 A Poland 10 24 6 13 2.313
7 A England 10 25 5 8 2.200
8 B Turkey 12 23 4 12 2.188
9 B Czech 12 27 5 10 2.176
10 B Italy 10 23 4 7 2.143
11 B Serbia 10 22 5 10 2.133
12 B France 10 20 5 12 2.133
13 B Ukraine 12 25 4 9 2.125
14 B Romania 12 25 4 8 2.063
15 C Russia 12 23 5 11 2.000
16 C Slovak. 12 23 5 9 1.882
17 C Greece 12 21 4 9 1.875
18 C Spain 10 20 4 6 1.857
19 C Denmark 12 22 4 7 1.813
20 C Switz. 10 18 1.800
21 C Israel 10 18 5 8 1.733
22 D Norway 10 18 4 6 1.714
23 D Ireland 10 17 6 10 1.688
24 D Scotlnd 10 13 5 12 1.667
25 D Bulgar. 10 15 4 8 1.643
26 D Finland 12 16 5 11 1.588
27 D Bosnia 10 16 5 7 1.533
28 D Austria 10 15 1.500
29 E N.Irel 10 9 5 10 1.267
30 E Hungary 10 14 4 3 1.214
31 E Latvia 12 15 3 3 1.200
32 E Belgium 10 12 6 7 1.188
33 E Sloven. 10 12 4 4 1.143
34 E Belarus 10 10 5 7 1.133
35 E Estonia 12 17 4 0 1.063
36 F Lithua. 10 10 4 4 1.000
37 F Maced. 12 9 5 7 0.941
38 F Albania 12 13 4 2 0.938
39 F Wales 10 8 4 3 0.786
40 F Georgia 12 10 5 3 0.765
41 F Cyprus 10 4 5 4 0.533
42 F Liecht. 12 8 4 0 0.500
43 Armenia 12 7 4 1 0.500
44 Iceland 10 4 4 3 0.500
45 Malta 10 3 4 4 0.500
46 Moldova 10 5 5 2 0.467
47 Kazakh. 12 1 6 5 0.333
48 Andorra 12 5 4 0 0.313
49 Azerb. 10 3 5 1 0.267
50 Faroes 10 1 5 0 0.067
51 Luxem. 12 0 4 0 0
52 San M. 10 0 4 0 0
If we finished the campaign in Group D, I'm not going to have too much confidence for the world cup campaign. Look at some of the teams ahead of us :(
Its goin to make things really difficult
How about this possible group
Germany,Italy,Spain,IRELAND,N.Ireland,Cyprus,San Marino.
Shows how far we have dropped.
yeah, the fact i looked at the 2 last seeds and realised that there wasn't even guaranteed 6 points off each anymore :oQuote:
Originally Posted by Countyman
If we win on Wednesday and Norway lose in Turkey we would move into the 3rd pot at least for the moment. I think we'd be lucky to maintain a 4th seeding spot after this campaign.
the thing is if we take 10 points off all our games against Slovakia and Wales (I know optimism is reigning supreme here and beat cyprus then we may nick into third seeds fairly comfortably. This would put us ahead of Slovakia, while teams like Ukraine, Denmark, Israel, Norway and Russia are in very difficult groups and will drop alot of points. Hopefully the Scots will get pummelled in their remaining games because they're going to be a real rival for third seeds.
Christ, i remember the good old days, when we used to talk about going to World Cups... now we are looking at 3rd place qualifying seedings as our cup winning trophy moment!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bungle
True but if we can make it into the third batch of seeds and get a favourable group then maybe we can think about qualification.........in fact start saving now because we always qualify for the most expensive places....Fifa's decision to rotate world cups is really Blatter's gift to Irish football!!!
With the talent of the young lads and a decent manager and a good draw i.e Poland and Sweden as first two seeds then I'd be very hopeful. here's hoping!!
We've gone above Norway and back where we started.
Code:World Cup 2006 Euro 2008
Team Played Points Played Points Avg Points
1 A Germany 5 13 2.6
2 A Holland 12 32 6 14 2.556
3 A Croatia 10 24 5 13 2.467
4 A Sweden 10 24 5 12 2.400
5 A Poland 10 24 7 16 2.353
6 A Portugl 12 30 6 11 2.278
7 A England 10 25 6 11 2.250
8 B Czech 12 27 6 13 2.222
9 B Italy 10 23 5 10 2.200
10 B Ukraine 12 25 5 12 2.176
11 B France 10 20 5 12 2.133
12 B Romania 12 25 5 11 2.118
13 B Turkey 12 23 5 13 2.118
14 B Serbia 10 22 6 11 2.063
15 C Russia 12 23 5 11 2.000
16 C Greece 12 21 5 12 1.941
17 C Spain 10 20 5 9 1.933
18 C Denmark 12 22 4 7 1.813
19 C Israel 10 18 6 11 1.813
20 C Switz. 10 18 1.800
21 C Slovak. 12 23 6 9 1.778
22 D Ireland 10 17 7 13 1.765
23 D Norway 10 18 5 7 1.667
24 D Bulgar. 10 15 5 9 1.600
25 D Scotlnd 10 13 6 12 1.563
26 D Bosnia 10 16 5 7 1.533
27 D Finland 12 16 6 11 1.500
28 D Austria 10 15 1.500
29 E N.Irel 10 9 6 13 1.375
30 E Hungary 10 14 5 6 1.333
31 E Belgium 10 12 6 7 1.188
32 E Belarus 10 10 5 7 1.133
33 E Latvia 12 15 4 3 1.125
34 E Sloven. 10 12 5 4 1.067
35 E Estonia 12 17 5 0 1.000
36 F Albania 12 13 5 3 0.941
37 F Lithua. 10 10 5 4 0.933
38 F Wales 10 8 5 6 0.933
39 F Maced. 12 9 6 7 0.889
40 F Georgia 12 10 6 6 0.888
41 F Liecht. 12 8 5 3 0.647
42 F Cyprus 10 4 6 4 0.500
43 Armenia 12 7 5 1 0.471
44 Iceland 10 4 5 3 0.467
45 Malta 10 3 5 4 0.467
46 Moldova 10 5 6 2 0.438
47 Azerb. 10 3 6 4 0.438
48 Kazakh. 12 1 6 5 0.333
49 Andorra 12 5 5 0 0.294
50 Faroes 10 1 6 0 0.063
51 Luxem. 12 0 5 0 0
52 San M. 10 0 5 0 0
This meaningful thread always seems to drop out of the radar. Is it worth it to have it as stickie instead of lets say the t-shirt protest which has had it's day?
(until we lose again of course)
I love this thread! Brings out the geek in all of us.
Until we start qualifying for major tournaments then this is the highlight of our international side - edging closer to pot C!!!
eb, can you put the date of each update in the post? is that table after the slovakia game?
thks
You mean some sort of mechanism which notes at what time each post was made?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Like what we already have? ;)
Apologies if thsi has been answered before. This list is based on the assumption there will be 7 groups for the next qualifying campaing. IS there any official word on this. (I assume Europe have 13 auto qualifiers next time and no hosts).
good call cavan fan , i think it has been announced will have a look on fifa site
32 teams, 31 slots up for grabs
South Africa qualify automatically as the host nation, so the rest of the world will be competing for the remaining 31 places in the final phase. As has been the case at past tournaments, the majority of teams will come from Europe, which has 13 slots.
African teams have an interesting three years ahead of them, since this will be their first FIFA World Cup on home soil and in front of their own partisan fans. Each of Africa's participating nations will therefore be doubly keen to secure one of the five berths available.
South America have been allocated four places, with a further slot available via a play-off with a team from the North, Central American and Caribbean Zone, who themselves have three guaranteed places.
Asia will be represented by four teams at the tournament, with a fifth berth also available via a play-off with the winners of the Oceania Zone.
no mention of how many groups cavan fan
looks like it will be another best qualifier and play offs saga again
Ah yes, I failed to notice the bleeding obvious. sorry!Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
They haven't announced the qualifying process yet so the letters are just there as a guide really. I actually think Italy will be top seeds if they qualify. Montenegro will also be in the qualifying so it's 53 teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by cavan_fan
I'd say it might be 5 groups of 7 and 3 groups of 6.
8 group winners qualify. 2 best 2nd placed teams and 3 from the playoffs.
The last WC qualifers had 3 groups of 7 and 5 groups of 6 and the rest same as above.
the last wc had the eight groups thing and i can't see a change. europe had 14 qualifiers (although germany as hosts obviously) last time round but if only 13 this time the 8 group system is what it will be. unless of course they want to continue with 7 groups for the sake of continuity, with worst two runners up in a playoff and the rest qualifying although i think that would be hideously unfair. there will though be 7 groups for euro 2012 as well now it has joint hosts.Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
Latest.
Code:World Cup 2006 Euro 2008
Team Played Points Played Points Avg Points
1 A Germany 7 19 2.714
2 A Holland 12 32 6 14 2.556
3 A Sweden 10 24 7 18 2.471
4 A Croatia 10 24 7 17 2.418
5 A Portugl 12 30 7 14 2.316
6 A England 10 25 7 14 2.294
7 A Italy 10 23 7 16 2.294
8 B Poland 10 24 9 19 2.263
9 B France 10 20 7 18 2.235
10 B Romania 12 25 7 17 2.211
11 B Czech 12 27 7 14 2.158
12 B Serbia 10 22 7 14 2.118
13 B Spain 10 20 7 15 2.059
14 B Ukraine 12 25 6 12 2.056
15 C Turkey 12 23 6 13 2.000
16 C Russia 12 23 7 15 2.000
17 C Greece 12 21 6 15 2.000
18 C Israel 10 18 8 17 1.944
19 C Norway 10 18 7 13 1.824
20 C Switz. 10 18 1.800
21 C Denmark 12 22 6 10 1.778
22 D Ireland 10 17 7 13 1.765
23 D Bulgar. 10 15 7 15 1.765
24 D Bosnia 10 16 7 13 1.706
25 D Slovak. 12 23 7 9 1.684
26 D Scotlnd 10 13 7 15 1.647
27 D Finland 12 16 8 14 1.500
28 D Austria 10 15 1.500
29 E N.Irel 10 9 6 13 1.375
30 E Hungary 10 14 7 6 1.176
31 E Albania 12 13 7 9 1.158
32 E Belgium 10 12 8 7 1.056
33 E Belarus 10 10 7 7 1.000
34 E Latvia 12 15 6 3 1.000
35 E Lithua. 10 10 7 7 1.000
36 F Sloven. 10 12 7 4 0.941
37 F Wales 10 8 6 7 0.938
38 F Estonia 12 17 7 0 0.895
39 F Maced. 12 9 7 7 0.842
40 F Georgia 12 10 8 6 0.800
41 F Armenia 12 7 7 7 0.737
42 F Liecht. 12 8 7 4 0.632
43 Cyprus 10 4 6 4 0.500
44 Iceland 10 4 7 4 0.471
45 Azerb. 10 3 8 5 0.444
46 Moldova 10 5 6 2 0.438
47 Malta 10 3 7 4 0.412
48 Kazakh. 12 1 8 6 0.350
49 Andorra 12 5 7 0 0.263
50 Faroes 10 1 8 0 0.056
51 Luxem. 12 0 7 0 0
52 San M. 10 0 6 0 0
Cheers eirebhoy, much appreciated
realistically, why kind of results are we looking at to move into Pool C?
22 points would leave us at a similar seeding. 23 points should move us up a couple of places.
jesus it's so tight.A little bit worried about how the Bulgarians are creeping up behind us. I think there is a big possibility that the cut off point is about 1.8 which is where the Swiss are.
If we get about 8-9 points we should be alright. 11-12 points (not likely I know) and we might just creep into second seeds.
It's crazy how low the Belgians have gone. I never thought I'd see the day when they would be 5th seeds.
Updated now that we know the qualifying format for 2010.
Code:World Cup 2006 Euro 2008
Team Played Points Played Points Avg Points
1 A Germany 7 19 2.714
2 A Holland 12 32 6 14 2.556
3 A Sweden 10 24 7 18 2.471
4 A Croatia 10 24 7 17 2.418
5 A Portugl 12 30 7 14 2.316
6 A England 10 25 7 14 2.294
7 A Italy 10 23 7 16 2.294
8 A Poland 10 24 9 19 2.263
9 A France 10 20 7 18 2.235
10 B Romania 12 25 7 17 2.211
11 B Czech 12 27 7 14 2.158
12 B Serbia 10 22 7 14 2.118
13 B Spain 10 20 7 15 2.059
14 B Ukraine 12 25 6 12 2.056
15 B Turkey 12 23 6 13 2.000
16 B Russia 12 23 7 15 2.000
17 B Greece 12 21 6 15 2.000
18 B Israel 10 18 8 17 1.944
19 C Norway 10 18 7 13 1.824
20 C Switz. 10 18 1.800
21 C Denmark 12 22 6 10 1.778
22 C Ireland 10 17 7 13 1.765
23 C Bulgar. 10 15 7 15 1.765
24 C Bosnia 10 16 7 13 1.706
25 C Slovak. 12 23 7 9 1.684
26 C Scotlnd 10 13 7 15 1.647
27 C Finland 12 16 8 14 1.500
28 D Austria 10 15 1.500
29 D N.Irel 10 9 6 13 1.375
30 D Hungary 10 14 7 6 1.176
31 D Albania 12 13 7 9 1.158
32 D Belgium 10 12 8 7 1.056
33 D Belarus 10 10 7 7 1.000
34 D Latvia 12 15 6 3 1.000
35 D Lithua. 10 10 7 7 1.000
36 D Sloven. 10 12 7 4 0.941
37 E Wales 10 8 6 7 0.938
38 E Estonia 12 17 7 0 0.895
39 E Maced. 12 9 7 7 0.842
40 E Georgia 12 10 8 6 0.800
41 E Armenia 12 7 7 7 0.737
42 E Liecht. 12 8 7 4 0.632
43 E Cyprus 10 4 6 4 0.500
44 E Iceland 10 4 7 4 0.471
45 E Azerb. 10 3 8 5 0.444
46 F Moldova 10 5 6 2 0.438
47 F Malta 10 3 7 4 0.412
48 F Kazakh. 12 1 8 6 0.350
49 F Andorra 12 5 7 0 0.263
50 F Faroes 10 1 8 0 0.056
51 F Luxem. 12 0 7 0 0
52 F San M. 10 0 6 0 0
53 F Montenegro ---
Hard to see us catching Israel though I guess we can at least take comfort we're likely to be 3rd. A bit stranded to be honest
We're pretty much certain to be in Pot 3.
if we were third seeds the ideal group in a six team group would be
Poland, Isreal, Us, Lithuania, Estonia and Andorra
Personally, I think the smaller groups are better for us, as it reduces the chance of an almighty **** up against a so called minnow, which we are always capable of.
This format more or less guarantees we'll be third seeds, so overall I couldn't really complain about it.
Give me Greece over Israel any day. Israel will only get better and better imo.
Next season they'll have Benayoun at Liverpool (possibly), Tal Ben Haim and Ben Sahar coming through at Chelsea, in comparison we'll have Finnan at Liverpool, O'Shea at United, and possibly Gibson getting some first team experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
They ran England close at home and I reckon they'll give McClaren's men another fright at Wembley in the autumn
True. They've only lost 1 match over the last two qualifying campaigns as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
Are Ukraine still relying on Rebrov and Shevchenko up front? Will they still be a force in 18 months? And have they anyone coming through? They could be the best of the second seeds to get.
Poland are having a superb qualifying campaign at present; I'd take England from the top section because I think they're the weakest team and we should be up for the game.
D, E and F - much of a muchness, by and large. Maybe Latvia, Estonia and Andorra from a travel point of view. Though somewhere like Georgia, Azerbaijan or Kazakhstan could be fun.
Five matches left in the current campaign and I'm already looking ahead to 2010... :(
at least we won't end up with the Swiss!!!!!
We will still need some points to make sure of a 3rd seed. 4-5 should be enough but it is not totally a done deal. Remember a lot of the teams around us have to play the minnows still. Slovakia and Bulgaria are almost certain to finish ahead of us.
We need 4 points to stay ahead of Austria.
If Northern ireland take 12 points from their last 6 games - wins over Liechtenstein, Latvia, Iceland and Denmark - defeats to Spain and Sweden then we need 5 points to finish ahead of them.
In reality 5 points is the target. It's not a huge one but not guaranteed given our earlier performances even with a world class manager.
Completely agree about the Slovaks still being a potential nuiscance. That was why it was so important that they were beaten by the Germans. I think if we draw in Bratislava, we will finish ahead of them though.
To be honest, in my opinion there is much of a muchness between many of the second and third seed teams with the exception of Spain.
with my optimist hat on I can see us getting another 8 points. The pessimistic one sees us adding only 4/5 points.
My ideal group?
ING GER LAND
Russia
Albania
Iceland - good away trip
Andorra
Montenegro as bottom seeds could be a pain.
Ideal group:
1: Poland
2: Greece
3: us
4: Lithuania
5: Liechenstein
6: Andorra
Group of HORROR
1: Italy
2: Spain
3: us
4: Austria
5: Cyprus
6: San Marino
Austria are terrible I would not be worried by them at all.