Graham Stack in goals too, one of the goals was a penalty, the other Hunt was beaten for pace when the ball came back in from a corner, and left the defence 3 on 2
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Graham Stack in goals too, one of the goals was a penalty, the other Hunt was beaten for pace when the ball came back in from a corner, and left the defence 3 on 2
don´t know what you mean about Kevin Gallen he wanted to play for Ireland at the time but was put under pressure by QPR manger Trevor Francis that he would lose his place if he declared for us, the chap never recovered from that decision.
Long is not ready for Ireland ( he reminds me of Micheal Reddy) Let him develop first, though I am worried with Given as manager, if playing for the under 21s will ruin him. Jesus we have the worst setup in Europe Givens under 21 and Stan and Robson with the national team. Begining to wonder if Robsons senility is contagious. Seems that way when Stan doesn´t even know which of his players have played against each other
hunt and long hit their penos in the shootout but doyle missed his, reading won 4-2
Simple ... Don Givens didn't make any money from him. He will only play players that he can 'advise' ..... if he were to play Long then he would have one place less to have the possibility to 'advise' them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peadar
Trevor Francis left QPR in 1990, long before Kevin Gallen signed as a professional there in 1992, when he was 17. The manager then was Gerry Francis.Quote:
Originally Posted by princeofoslo
The issue about declaring for Ireland or England was nothing to do with losing his place at QPR. He was offered a better contract if he declared for England as his transfer value would increase because of the 'three foreigner' rule that was in place at the time. By declaring for Ireland, he would be limited by the number of foreigners at a club, but by declaring for England there were more options available and was more 'saleable' by QPR, hence the better contract. He played for England Schoolboys before signing professional. After signing pro at QPR he played for England at U-18 (won a Eurpean championship?) and U-21.
He made his QPR debut at Old Trafford on the opening day of the season in 1994/95, just a few months before Gerry Francis left QPR and was replaced by Ray Wilkins. There was talk at the time of Man.Utd. being interested in signing him.
Kevin's brothers Joe and Stephen both player underage football for Ireland but Kevin chose England for financial reasons. It backfired badly on him when he was badly injured at QPR in the second game in the 1996/97 season and missed the rest of the season. He was never the same player after that and never got the big money move he was after.
His interest in playing for Ireland was resurrected during Brian Kerr's tenure, and even though we were short of forwards he was way past his best by then.
Your schoolboy team is not based on nationality, you play for whatever country you go to school in, that's why Giggs has schoolboy caps for England.Quote:
Originally Posted by Superhoops
He's still eligible for the U-19's as well though, isn't he?Quote:
Originally Posted by A face
Shane was robbed on Saturday!
He was on the line, waiting to be introduced against Manchester United, when Graeme Murty got injured so Long had to take his seat again as he couldn't replace the right full-back.
Your chance will come again Shane.
Same thing happened Henry in the World Cup final in '98, he was going to come on, but Desailly got sent off
Not in dispute! Dean Kiely also played for England Schoolboys.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Shane has been called into the Ireland U21 squad to face Luxembourg next Wednesday.
Shane came on late against Chelsea on Saturday. Didn't look out of place. Chased everything and caused a few problems. Could have done with a bit more time on the field. Lita was rubbish!
It was never going to be easy for Reading against Arsenal but I thought Long showed a lot of promise and certainly wasn't phased by the opposition. He battled away. Hope he starts v Liverpool in the Carling Cup on Wednesday. He did well in that competition last season.
Long scores.
Liverpool 4-3 Reading
Come on the royals.
5 minutes to go.
In my opionion Shane Long is better than Doyle! Anyone agree!?
jesus, no way. could be a better player in the long run, but dont be daft!Quote:
Originally Posted by Irish Fan
I think potentially he could offer more than Doyle ie more of a presence in the box. The few games Ive seen him play, he seemed quite good in the air, which is something we definitely lack up front at the moment. But i think he has a long way to go yet, whereas Doyle is hot property in the premiership at the mo.Quote:
Originally Posted by livehead1
A premiership strike force for a 100,000 quid.Some piece of business!
Hows Denis Behan getting on Cork fans?;)
cant fault him for spitting at one of that shower (if he did it!) the turks have been getting away with mthat **** for years....a good tipp man is young longQuote:
Originally Posted by joema
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Originally Posted by elroy
Lets hope this conversation doesnt get too drawn out(sorry for the pun...couldnt resist)
Seriously, long looks a top class player....and a down to earth sort of young las as well
they aint a premiership strikeforce. long defo aint up to it at the moment, think he will be though eventually.Quote:
Originally Posted by cheifo
Never mind "FFS". What are you on about? Someone mentioned the fact that they are a 'premiership strikeforce', I am entitled to my opinion, and was pointing out that I don't believe Long is currently up to the standard expected of a premiership striker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuff Paddy
With regards to his age... did you read my post? I recall mentioning that he may be up to it in the future.
Shane Long scored a hattrick against Arsenal Reserves last night, as Reading ran out 6-0 winners.
Jon Hayes and Stephen Hunt also featured for the Royals.
Joe O’Cearuill was in the Arsenal line-up.
I can't wait to hear how British commentators pronounce his name if he makes the first team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peadar
Kayhill passes to Dockerty, who feeds Mayre. He lays it off to Joe O'Keeroowil but his shot his saved by Flawvon.
(references to Kevin Maher and Daryl Flahavan thrown in, as that's how their names were pronounced on ITV last week).
Just thought I'd finish this debate once and for all. Who is more Irish? Shane Long, From Gortnahoe in County Tipperary, star of the Tipperary Minor Hurling team when he was sixteen, and also played for Cork City in the Ericom League, or Lee Frecklington of Lincoln City?(who was, for some inane reason, picked ahead of him)Quote:
Originally Posted by endabob1
Case Closed, methinks.
Don't really want to get into this as we've debated the 2G thing here endlessly. I don't know anything about Lee Frecklington, I don't know whether or not he's a chancer in the Noel Whelan mould. For argument's sake, let's assume he is, in which case you're taking two extremes and ignoring the middle ground. I don't think a crude definition of what is and isn't Irish helps anyone - surely there's a degree of personal choice - and least of all when that extreme is a GAA-playing son of the soil.Quote:
Originally Posted by republicofwhite
My mother feels as Irish as anyone, having lived here since she was 7. But she was born in Birmingham to Irish parents and felt English until she was in her late teens. Over ten years or so, she felt more at home here and felt less affinity with Birmingham and England.
A nationality isn't necessarily made of concrete - it can change. Frecklington may well just fancy a handy international career to boost his profile and knows we're looking for players. Or maybe he's always wanted to play for Ireland, who knows?
Staunton has an inferiority complex. His quotes on searching the globe for talent back this up. For some reason he suggested Kerr ignored 2 & 3Gs when it was Kerr who brought McGeady into the squad. I would expect nothing less given the people Staunton has surrounded himself with. All are either english or wannabe english scouts/"advisors"...
All things being equal he will pick an english player with irish great granny than any irish player. How else can anyone explain picking a lincoln City player for a B international. Its not as if he justified the inclusion either on his performance.
1 player in 4 years, who had already declared for us, yeah Kerr was all about the 2nd and 3rd generation players.Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
Staunton has spent the whole of his career in England, making contacts in English clubs, and being trained by English coaches. He respects their opinions and methods, we would say worse things about him if he brought in someone he knew nothing aboutQuote:
Originally Posted by pete
You forgot Jon Macken :)Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Kerr did not play these types of players because they were not good enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Staunton has added a whole lot of crap players to the current squad. A team mate saying they good enough isn't exactly unbiased...
:rolleyes:
Kerr only played 2 Eircom League players AFAIR (Crowe and Byrne), if the rest were not good enough under Kerr, what makes you think they're good enough for Staunton? He's already given Byrne more of a run out then Kerr did. The only players that really came through under Kerr were Andy Reid and Aiden McGeady, and he hardly gave McGeady a fair crack of the whip - although he wasn't playing well at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
Kerr was routinely criticised for not bringing in new players to the squad, his starting line up and tactics rarely changed from game to game, even from year to year. There were 10 players from his first game that played in his last game!! (For the record the players are: Carr, O'Brien, O'Shea, Dunne, Harte, S.Reid, Holland, Kilbane, Morrison, and Doherty). At least by bringing in the likes of Emanuel, Frecklington, Lawrence, Ledger, etc Staunton is trying something new.
What players recommended team mates? Ledger was recommended by Ron Atkinson (Staunton's former manager) after working with him at Peterborough. I don't know who recommended Frecklington or Emanuel.Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
In fairness, Kerr brought in 15-20 players. He just didn't feel any of them were good enough for the first team.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to be parochial and outwardly nationalist, but its got be dismaying when outstanding homegrown talent like Long (scored goals in the Championship, agaisnt Liverpool, and figures regularly in the Premiership) is disregarded. And in his place, a random and may I court controversy, wholeheartedly English(Until 3 weeks ago maybe) Lincoln City player. I remember George O'Callaghan saying he got into a massive fight with Brian Kerr because Kerr brought on some inferior British Exeter player instead of him in an underage game. O'Callaghan felt it was an absolute joke,and didn't play for Ireland again, but he was so right. Where's the pride in the indigenous set up?Quote:
Originally Posted by Donal81
John Deehan, former Villa and Norwich player is Director of Football at Lincoln City and is 'scouting' for Staunton in the south of England.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Its a real pity that Stan is manager at this current time. I actually think we have decent players(when most are fully fit) and there are some great young lads coming through... But you need someone who actually has a scooby doo to take advantage... I stand by my judgement that a draw against the Czech's was the worst possible result we could have got. If we lost, he'd be gone by now. If only...
But at least our tactics change every game cos we have none. :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuff Paddy
Back on topic, If Staunton thinks players good enough he should actually go & watch himself. He asked Steven Carr & Damian Duff for their opinions of Alan O'Brien & since he only played part of a pre season friendly they probbaly never played with him in first team game. :rolleyes:
They are not competing for the same position:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by republicofwhite
Just out of curiosity, what players did Kerr cap?Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
Off the top of my head
Paddy Kenny
Nicky Colgan (not 100% on him)
John Thompson
Liam Miller
Andy Reid
Stephen Elliott
Martin Rowlands
John Byrne
Clive Clarke
Aiden McGeady
Jon Macken
Out of these, Kenny, Elliot (when he's been fit), Andy Reid and McGeady have gone on to be mainstays in the squad. Miller still has a chance but he has to make up for 2 years at United when he rarely played.
Andy Reid
Liam Miller
Alan Lee
Alan Quinn
Paddy Kenny
Martin Rowlands
Aiden McGeady
Stephen Elliott
Jon Douglas
Clive Clarke
Joe Murphy
John Thompson
Jason Byrne
Michael Doyle
Jon Macken
Paddy McCarthy and Kevin Doyle were also in a squad or 2 while Kavanagh became a regular squad memeber under Kerr.
I would put Long's absence down to the downright insanity that's going on at management level. Frecklington could be as Irish as they come but Long - I think - deserves his place in the full squad. He's in the Premiership with a team that's doing relatively well - end of debate, really. That's the issue for me, more than a debate over who's more Irish.Quote:
Originally Posted by republicofwhite