Derry's home game with Gretna

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07/08/2006, 9:51 PM
MariborKev

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Originally Posted by iceman

How can UEFA alllow this game to be played at the Brandywell without a PSNI presence?

We have a dispensation from UEFA in relation to this.
07/08/2006, 9:52 PM
iceman

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Originally Posted by Speranza

PSNI are happy so why change it for fans who have no record whatsoever of crowd trouble?

I never said anything about a possibility of crowd trouble - my point is that at such a high profile event there should be a PSNI presence ,to assist with all eventualities that may arise ,there will be a police presence at every other game in the round so why an exception for Derry?
07/08/2006, 10:07 PM
MariborKev

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Originally Posted by iceman

I never said anything about a possibility of crowd trouble - my point is that at such a high profile event there should be a PSNI presence ,to assist with all eventualities that may arise ,there will be a police presence at every other game in the round so why an exception for Derry?

UEFA are happy.

The PSNI are in regular communication with the club and are happy.

If these two bodies are happy, you don't need to worry your little head about it.
07/08/2006, 10:12 PM
OneRedArmy

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Originally Posted by iceman

there should be a PSNI presence ,to assist with all eventualities that may arise

.......alien landings, tsunamis, that kind of thing?

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Originally Posted by iceman

there will be a police presence at every other game in the round so why an exception for Derry?

because we're special.
We also have a dispensation from UEFA to play in the Eircom League instead of the Irish League. Would you like to question that too?

It doesn't take a policeman to provide a secure environment to watch a game, and in our case, that would be more likely to provide an much less secure environment.

I'd have more sympathy for your question if either club had a history of trouble, but we don't.
07/08/2006, 10:48 PM
iceman

Calm down......Im only asking why?

If for some reason the game were played in Dublin would there be a Garda presence? or do you have a special dispensation for that eventuality as well?
07/08/2006, 11:14 PM
OneRedArmy

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Originally Posted by iceman

If for some reason the game were played in Dublin would there be a Garda presence? or do you have a special dispensation for that eventuality as well?

Well we play in Dublin on average once a month and there's always a Gardai presence.

Go figure.
07/08/2006, 11:15 PM
alabama rover

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Originally Posted by EireBadBoy

A local paper contacted RT� about showing Derry games and RT� said they would only show CL matches as that was all they could fit on their schedule. So no matter how far in the competition Derry progress they not be shown on TV here.

I'd like to add that we all know should Derry progress and draw an English team the media would be falling over themselves to show the game.

If RTE don't show this game, they are a shower of barstooling mupets!...no wait.... I think we already knew that!

KOH
07/08/2006, 11:15 PM
garyderry

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Originally Posted by iceman

Calm down......Im only asking why?

If for some reason the game were played in Dublin would there be a Garda presence? or do you have a special dispensation for that eventuality as well?

Are you for real? and what business is it of yours anyway? (harry cavan reborn)

The FAI, Uefa and Eircom League are happy week in week, its a hell of a lot safer in the brandywell that most grounds in ireland, ask anyone who actaully attends games there, no trouble at all, and excellent stewarding at all times im glad to say, again unlike a lot of grounds around the country (with or without police)
08/08/2006, 2:57 AM
mypost

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Originally Posted by alabama rover

If RTE don't show this game, they are a shower of barstooling mupets.

The European Athletics Championships have to be shown, despite the fact that there is only a handful of Irish athletes competing, and they all have zero hope of winning a medal. :rolleyes:
08/08/2006, 9:54 AM
charliesboots

report here

can somebody explain to iceman that the presence of the PSNI in the Brandywell would create a greater chance of a security problem rather than prevent one.

Think Black & Tans stewarding at an All-Ireland Final.
08/08/2006, 10:03 AM
David

Having been at the Brandywell twice for Linfield games there is no need whatsoever for police inside the ground, although outside I believe is a different matter.
08/08/2006, 10:08 AM
Macy

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Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

Rights is the big problem.

TV3 might get the international contrac, but then not have/get the right for the CL, for example. They then can't show any games.

It's not an issue for the qualifying rounds though. iirc Five had Liverpools qualifying rounds for example. Also the UEFA Cup is done on a round by round basis - again look at last seasons on UK tele being split between five and ITV at different stages of the competition.

The rights is just an FAI excuse, when it is no issue for the UEFA Cup and only an issue for the Champions League proper. The FAI should tie proper domestic and european coverage with the international team contract. RTE (or TV3 or TG4) don't play ball than the FAI can walk away to any other broadcaster (sky or setanta) who will, with an exemption from protected rights. The FAI just don't care enough to make it an issue and are happy to trumpet as a success the pathetic coverage we currently get.
08/08/2006, 10:09 AM
dcfcsteve

To be fair, I strongly suspect that Gretna fans won't provide the same lure for the local scumbags that Linfield fans did, so Police won't be needed outside the ground either.

Iceman : we should be celebrating that, in this day and age, a major sporting event can take place without a police presence, not dogmatically condemning it because a certain type of uniform isn't on display along with the numerous other uniforms that are there. If it simply ain't needed then give it a feckin rest.
08/08/2006, 10:18 AM
David

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Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

To be fair, I strongly suspect that Gretna fans won't provide the same lure for the local scumbags that Linfield fans did, so Police won't be needed outside the ground either.

Fair point although I feel they should be on hand just in case as the mentality of these people is unpredictable to say the least.
08/08/2006, 10:28 AM
stickyjoe

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Originally Posted by alabama rover

If RTE don't show this game, they are a shower of barstooling mupets!...no wait.... I think we already knew that!

KOH

AFAIK its on Setanta
08/08/2006, 10:32 AM
ndrog

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Originally Posted by iceman

I never said anything about a possibility of crowd trouble - my point is that at such a high profile event there should be a PSNI presence ,to assist with all eventualities that may arise ,there will be a police presence at every other game in the round so why an exception for Derry?

iceman you need to go and do a bit of research into the history of derry and dcfc as to why there are no cops allowed in to the ground .Ive been there for games and felt safer than i have in other football grounds in Ireland .First game of the season against bohs in dalymount i was manhandled by a scumbag cop and told to " **** off back over to my side " .I felt really safe after that :eek:
08/08/2006, 10:34 AM
dcfcsteve

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Originally Posted by David

Fair point although I feel they should be on hand just in case as the mentality of these people is unpredictable to say the least.

Is it ?? Spend much time in the Brandywell, do you David ?

The local hoods are many things, but unpredictable is certainly not one of them. We've had up to 30 games a year for the last 20 years at the Brandywell. Care to guess how many of those have proven a lure for the local scumbags ?

The answer to that question gives a stronger indication as to whether a police presence would be required than your own (undedrstandable in this instance) prejudices.
08/08/2006, 10:36 AM
Krstic

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Originally Posted by David

Fair point although I feel they should be on hand just in case as the mentality of these people is unpredictable to say the least.

I would say it's quite the opposite David, i think they are very Predictable.

They'll certainly not crawl from under their slimy little stones in order to have a go at a handful of fans from an unknown team.

You know the attraction Linfield has for these people, but what interest would they have in Gretna?

But David, keep throwing the mud.
08/08/2006, 10:58 AM
garyderry

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Originally Posted by Krstic

They'll certainly not crawl from under their slimy little stones in order to have a go at a handful of fans from an unknown team.

And in fact when it comes to Linfield (no hassle at all with Glentoran) its constant comments like this everywhere that actaully raises tensions.

And in relation to hassle OUTSIDE grounds, is Dalymount not now the worst offender in the league, and the Brandywell this season (including the visits of Linfield and Glentoran) not been one of the most hassle free grounds in the league this season?
08/08/2006, 11:16 AM
David

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Originally Posted by Krstic

I would say it's quite the opposite David, i think they are very Predictable.

They'll certainly not crawl from under their slimy little stones in order to have a go at a handful of fans from an unknown team.

You know the attraction Linfield has for these people, but what interest would they have in Gretna?

But David, keep throwing the mud.

What mud am I throwing? What happens outside the ground is completely beyond the remit and control of Derry City FC so it is certainly not a dig at Derry or their supporters . I have heard Eircom League club supporters mentioning that they have been attacked outside the ground which is why I said it is unpredictable.
08/08/2006, 12:08 PM
Krstic

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Originally Posted by David

What mud am I throwing? What happens outside the ground is completely beyond the remit and control of Derry City FC so it is certainly not a dig at Derry or their supporters . I have heard Eircom League club supporters mentioning that they have been attacked outside the ground which is why I said it is unpredictable.

David alot of your posts if not most and certainly recent, have been aimed at portraying Derry City as the other end of the spectrum to Linfield. Which we are not.

Your Club has a secatarian and Racism problem and after a century or so have now decided to take some proactive approach to address it and I applaud this belated attempt to rid your club of it's 'Little Rangers mentality'
Funny how your club have only done this since UEFA informed us that any Sectarian or Racist chants will be dealt with in the severist of manners.
But whatever reason I'm glad to see that Linfield are at last going to do something about it.

But do us all a favour, and stop attempting to bring the rest of us down to your level. There's only one team on the whole Island of Ireland that have a serious problem in relation to Sectarianisn or Racism and it's LINFIELD
So get it sorted before UEFA throw you out of European Competition......Oh that's right you're already out.

Aaaahhh ... jealousy is that what's driving this months attack on Derry City David, 'cause we're still in Europe.
Quare oul craic if we meet your big brother team in the next round, you'd have a field day **** stirring then.

We're all off to Scotland, we're all off to Scotland Nah Nah Nah:ball:
08/08/2006, 12:19 PM
iceman

Im not disputing the need (or no need) for a PSNI presence , just asking the question why did UEFA give a dispensation to Derry , can someone please explain.
08/08/2006, 12:32 PM
David

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Originally Posted by Krstic

David alot of your posts if not most and certainly recent, have been aimed at portraying Derry City as the other end of the spectrum to Linfield. Which we are not.

Your Club has a secatarian and Racism problem and after a century or so have now decided to take some proactive approach to address it and I applaud this belated attempt to rid your club of it's 'Little Rangers mentality'
Funny how your club have only done this since UEFA informed us that any Sectarian or Racist chants will be dealt with in the severist of manners.
But whatever reason I'm glad to see that Linfield are at last going to do something about it.

But do us all a favour, and stop attempting to bring the rest of us down to your level. There's only one team on the whole Island of Ireland that have a serious problem in relation to Sectarianisn or Racism and it's LINFIELD
So get it sorted before UEFA throw you out of European Competition......Oh that's right you're already out.

Aaaahhh ... jealousy is that what's driving this months attack on Derry City David, 'cause we're still in Europe.
Quare oul craic if we meet your big brother team in the next round, you'd have a field day **** stirring then.

We're all off to Scotland, we're all off to Scotland Nah Nah Nah:ball:

You are obviously so clued in about everything going on at Windsor Park. Just for your info though, the True Blues is not in response to UEFA's 10 point plan, it was formed well before that came to light and was in response to some sectarian singing in the Setanta Cup. Considering that I am actually a member of the working committee for this I would say there is a fair chance that I know more about it than you do.

As for your other ridiculous accusations. We are the only club anywhere in Ireland with a sectarian problem? Is that the reason Derry City supporters have openly in this thread objected to the legitimate police force of the country being in the vicinity of the ground. Also, if you can manage to get a tape of the Shelbourne v Glentoran Champions League qualifier, have a wee listen to the Glentoran support and tell me we are the only club with a problem. We are the only club with a problem yet a member of Derry City FC can visit Windsor park and shout to other supporters to "buy f**k all of the huns". Supporters of Derry City can shout sectarian abuse at Linfield supporters at the Brandywell but sure you don't have a sectarian problem. May I suggest that the reason this problem is rarely apparent is that you are playing in a league in the Republic of Ireland where you do not come into contact with supporters of the other side. Have you been to a Linfield v Cliftonville game. If you had you would know yet again that we are not the only club with such a problem. As I said, we acknowledge we have a problem, others do not. When Derry City have a set up that even comes close to being as mixed as ours is then come and talk to me about it.

As for your childish European jibe, we were in a superior competition and therefore up against superior opposition. When we were in the UEFA Cup last season, we also win our opening tie but I suppose for Derry it is an achievement to be even playing in Europe, some of us are used to it.

One final point, we do not have a racism problem. In the past we had a problem with a handful of idiots and this was promptly dealt with. There have been no problems since.
08/08/2006, 12:40 PM
Krstic

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Originally Posted by iceman

Im not disputing the need (or no need) for a PSNI presence , just asking the question why did UEFA give a dispensation to Derry , can someone please explain.

Well why would anyone want to actually advertise the fact that the PSNI who are not acceptable to a large protion of People living in Northern Ireland, will be on duty in an area where there is a sizeable support for (R)IRA.

Trust me, everything that goes on on A match day at the brandywell has the full backing and assitance(if required) from the local PSNI.

The police are not requireed, therefore they don't come Fullstop.
08/08/2006, 1:01 PM
Krstic

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Originally Posted by David

As for your childish European jibe, we were in a superior competition and therefore up against superior opposition. When we were in the UEFA Cup last season, we also win our opening tie but I suppose for Derry it is an achievement to be even playing in Europe, some of us are used to it.

I've only quoted this part of your post 'cause it's so funny, the rest is just your usual 'I hate Derry City' drivel.

Gorica of Slovenia, such pedigree.

Can i remind you we beat twice UEFA Cup winners in our game
08/08/2006, 1:48 PM
David

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Originally Posted by Krstic

I've only quoted this part of your post 'cause it's so funny, the rest is just your usual 'I hate Derry City' drivel.

Gorica of Slovenia, such pedigree.

Can i remind you we beat twice UEFA Cup winners in our game

They are so good, they could not win their league. Not taking away from what was an excellent result but surely you can accept that you will face tougher opposition in the Champions league than you will in the UEFA Cup.
08/08/2006, 2:28 PM
Krstic

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Originally Posted by David

They are so good, they could not win their league. Not taking away from what was an excellent result but surely you can accept that you will face tougher opposition in the Champions league than you will in the UEFA Cup.

Possibly, but you didn't, you met an inferior team. A team where most of their star players from the previous season left to join Swedish teams.

Yet you failed to beat them.

Do I need my Passport to go to Scotland?:D
08/08/2006, 2:54 PM
David

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Originally Posted by Krstic

Possibly, but you didn't, you met an inferior team. A team where most of their star players from the previous season left to join Swedish teams.

Yet you failed to beat them.

Do I need my Passport to go to Scotland?:D

No, not for internal travel within the United Kingdom. ;)

By the way we played a team who have won their league the last 3 years in a row and Slovenian football is certainly not a bad standard. You have got to the same round in the UEFA Cup that we did last season.

One more fact of interest. When we were in your group in Setanta, we topped the group, you went out in third place. :p
08/08/2006, 5:36 PM
MariborKev

Aye,

And did our part time players go on holidays when we were in Europe?

Further Sweden's UEFA Coefficient is higher than than Slovenia's...........
08/08/2006, 7:07 PM
David

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Originally Posted by Maribor

Aye,

And did our part time players go on holidays when we were in Europe?

Further Sweden's UEFA Coefficient is higher than than Slovenia's...........

Fair enough, when you beat the reigning Swedish champions give me a shout, oh sorry that would involve you winning your own league first.
08/08/2006, 7:10 PM
MariborKev

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Originally Posted by David

Fair enough, when you beat the reigning Swedish champions give me a shout, oh sorry that would involve you winning your own league first.

No it wouldn't.
08/08/2006, 8:09 PM
dcfcsteve

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Originally Posted by David

Fair enough, when you beat the reigning Swedish champions give me a shout, oh sorry that would involve you winning your own league first.

And when Linfield beat anyone of substance in European competition, cryo-genically unfreeze me - will ya.........:rolleyes:
09/08/2006, 12:06 PM
David

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Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

And when Linfield beat anyone of substance in European competition, cryo-genically unfreeze me - will ya.........:rolleyes:

What like the reigning League of Ireland champions?
09/08/2006, 12:18 PM
dcfcsteve

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Originally Posted by David

What like the reigning League of Ireland champions?

Well, yes ! They beat the Cypriot champions and progressed to the 2nd round.

How did Linfield do in Europe this year? Feel free to chip-in the performance of any of the other IL Euro entrants to help you out, if you want.....:rolleyes:

Keep digging.....
09/08/2006, 1:29 PM
Pablo

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Originally Posted by David

Fair enough, when you beat the reigning Swedish champions give me a shout, oh sorry that would involve you winning your own league first.

*cough*

2003 Malmo
2004 Djurgardens

Both Swedish champions both fell to the sword of the mighty CCFC

:D
09/08/2006, 3:14 PM
David

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Originally Posted by Pablo

*cough*

2003 Malmo
2004 Djurgardens

Both Swedish champions both fell to the sword of the mighty CCFC

:D

Fair play to you, was directed towards the Derry fans though. :D
09/08/2006, 3:17 PM
David

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Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

Well, yes ! They beat the Cypriot champions and progressed to the 2nd round.

My post was in reply to a request to who Linfield have beaten in Europe. I was merely pointing out that the last time we played against an Irish team in Europe we beat them, thanks to a goal by a certain David Jeffrey. :)
09/08/2006, 3:27 PM
Dazzy

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Originally Posted by David

David Jeffrey. :)

He actually played football:eek: :D
09/08/2006, 4:54 PM
David

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Originally Posted by Dazzy

He actually played football:eek: :D

Was on Man Utd's book when young before coming home and playing centre half for Linfield for many years. Was quite well known for his "robust" tackling. :p
09/08/2006, 4:56 PM
Shelsman

Lads, stop arguing.

With regards to Derry's home fixture if they get through, I would suggest Flancare Park -it is closer than Dublin and has a greater seated capacity than the Brandywell, not sure of the floodlights etc though it was good enough for Longford to play their Euro games there ( albeit in the first preliminary round each time ).

All in all, I'm sure everyone would agree that the best solution would be for Derry to get a greater seated capacity ( can ye not get a 100 year / long term lease from the council or something? ).

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