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Cheers! :(Quote:
Originally Posted by viking
Thank Christ theres someone on here with a realistic outlook on this tie - step forward Poor Student. Gretna are probably the best team we could have drawn, but this whole "foregone conclusion" attitude on here is driving me fookin' nuts.
Oh and, as far as I'm aware, they are a full-time team - something most of our top division can't even claim. Top earner is alledgedly (according to the baw beg on citychat) on 2500stg....ye don't pay that for mediocrity lads.
It isn't realism, it's talking up the opposition. Derry have reached this round by dumping out Gothenburg. Gretna have only got there, by playing Hearts in the Scottish Cup Final. Derry have not only the opportunity to win this round, but to do it convincingly. If they don't win this tie, it will be the worst NL European result, since Longford were sent packing by Vaduz.Quote:
Originally Posted by dancinpants
You sound exactly like the Göteborg fans before their matches with Derry - they never for one minute thought the would lose to Derry. And this just goes to show that the key to success in Europe is preparation and to never underestimate the opposition. I really wonder what Göteborg actually knew about Derry before their matches and their travel arrangements to Derry suggests that they didn't think they would have any problems beating Derry in Derry. I hope Derry don't make the same mistakes as Göteborg because if they do they're not going to have a chance against Gretna.Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
We do!Quote:
Originally Posted by dancinpants
Well I for one think that Derry should progress against Gretna and on to the next round. Having said that I expected Bohs in our penultimate European tie to outdo Levadia Talinn and we came unstuck. Following that, in taking a 1-0 lead to Ghent last year I half expected us to be good enough to hold out beyond 10 seconds before giving away our slender advantage. I also felt that Longford would have finished off the Welsh side last year, especially in taking a lead over to Wales with them, yet again, the eL was let down.
So in essence it is not going to be an easy walk in the park for Derry at this stage in the Uefa Cup and it does seem that Gretna are very short odds to win the Scottish 1st division this year. However if Derry had drawn a team like Kilmarnock or Motherwell, I would expect that they would give them a good run for their money and so don't see why anybody would expect Derry not to go through just because they are not that familiar with Gretna.
I have said it before and will say it again, Vaduz would easily stand there ground in the eL, and IMHO be challenging for the title.Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
Now Carmarthen on the other hand, well.....:o :eek:
Derry need to win this for the leagues credability but Gretna will probably be favourites. Gretnas lack of experience in european games & importance of away goals could be important. Big advantage for Derry to be away first with expected huge away support & fact Gretna will be expected to win. Grab an away goal in a scored draw or win & be well on your way to progressing. I am sure the Bogside can be quiet intimidating to outsiders that never visited before...?
To the admin, please activate the gretna fan's account to let him in to show how much of a b*****g he is. You will laugh at him!! He's a MUPPETT!!
You wouldn't believe it...Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
Do you know anything about the global game? Vaduz were actually in a similar situation to Gretna. A progressive ambitous big spending club coming from the lower reaches of the Swiss league to the playoffs to play in the top flight. I know they took a dip last year but Vaduz have now reached the 2nd qualifying round for the 3rd successive year. I didn't consider Vaduz knocking out Longford an upset. I saw it as a near Swiss top flight team knocking out our weakest European team rather than Liechtenstein minnows humiliate Longford.Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
Ive seen gretna play last season.. and I tell you.. Gretna are a very good team.. and would challenge the title here!! plz dont underestimate these guys!!! they are much better than they seem!!
they lost to a team from litchenstien. you can fluff it up all you like, it was probably the lowest ebb ever for irish sides in europeQuote:
Originally Posted by Poor Student
There's no fluffing up. They lost to second best team in the Swiss 2nd flight, a team who are also professional and have a similar record to eL sides in Europe over the last few years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roverstillidie
No, losing to the welsh team was the lowest since Pats 0-10 against the Macedonians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roverstillidie
MoldovansQuote:
Originally Posted by pete
Another piece of superb logic brought to you by mypost!Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
This tie is effectively SPL v eL. Gretna are buying players by virtue of paying more than some SPL teams. Granted, they didn't meet any SPL teams en route to the Cup Final, but they only lost to Hearts on penalties. I would have Derry as slight favourites, because (a) I don't think Gretna - or any SPL side outside the top three - is as good as Göteborg, (b) because Gretna will only have one league game under their belts, (c) because they're playing 75 miles away from their home ground and (d) because Gretna are used to playing SD2 and SD3 teams and will have to step up their game to play Derry.
Yes, not going to hide anything on this, the Carmarthen match was a disgrace but the defeat to Vaduz was not. They were an extremely good team.Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
Im going to have a field day quoting all of "Patricks" posts when we knock these spud pickers out :cool:
I'm sure it can be as well. But as we don't play there, it's a strange point to bring up.Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
Hopefully the mods will keep supergretna on the site until after derry beat them so that we can all have a laugh at the jock and then they can f*ck him out
Just to add to Steve's post...I am confused by that post Pete. Is it a claim that the republican surroundings of the Bogside would strike fear into a football team? You know full well we aren't about that and never will be, we will scare the **** out of Gretna in the same way we did to Goteburg but it will not be via sectarian/politcal means.
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Originally Posted by De Town
You can say it 'til you're blue in the face (:rolleyes: ), but Longford's defeat to Vaduz was down there with the worst results ever by LOI sides in European football. Vaduz are not Valencia. It wasn't a narrow defeat either, Longford were 4-0 down at one point, to a side that come from a "country" that bring nothing to either European or World football, (except the ability to constantly lose matches) and there's in-season Longford getting walloped by an out-of season Swiss 2nd division side!! :eek: Unbelievable.
Derry are better than Longford, and I don't expect Derry to further embarrass the league by losing to a Scottish lower division team.
mypost, I'm getting sick of your ramblings. Tell me this, setting aside Rovers "unbelievable" history in Europe :rolleyes: , why would Derry getting beat by Gretna be an embarassment? Are you too fcukin' lazy to go and find some info on Gretna? They STEAMROLLED the third division, then STEAMROLLED the second, and I'd be very surprised if they aren't preparing for life in the SPL this time next year. They are being pure BANKROLLED and to an extent than NO Eircom League team can compare. Now will you stop talkin' sh!t and think about that? Please? and not just you...but a few others on here too!!!
What has Rovers' European history got to do with this topic?? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by dancinpants
Yeah, so what??Quote:
They STEAMROLLED the third division
Yeah, so what??Quote:
then STEAMROLLED the second
Derry City are one of the top teams in our league, Gretna are a lower league team in Scotland. Furthermore, they are only in the competition, because they happened to play Hearts in the Scottish Cup Final. Gretna's players will lack competitive match practice in comparison to Derry's going into it, Gretna's pre-season form has hardly set pulses racing, and Derry are flying in our league. If you can handle Gothenburg, you can deal with Gretna. If you can't, you will have let the league down badly.Quote:
why would Derry getting beat by Gretna be an embarassment?
My post, will you do some research and stop your inane babbling. FC Vaduz are a far stronger club than most EL sides. Gretna are a full time outfit, who will have started their season. Derry had a great result against Gothenberg, but as all Derry fans know they had to play extremely well in both games to achieve it. If Derry win through it will be a great achievement, but Gretna have got to be favourites.
Gretna in the Scot.Div2 this year:
1st - Gretna - 88 points (36 games. goal dif: +67)
Second: - 70 points
Third: - 57 points
Definitly better than your average 2nd division team! - Look likely to win straight up to the Premier this year. They are going to be a very difficult proposition - more so because they are an unknown quantity. Like every eircom League fan I HOPE Derry can beat them, but I don't EXPECT it - should be two good games.:ball:
Vaduz - this year have knocked out a Hungarian team 4:1 on agragate (won the 1st leg 4:0 AWAY, so were able to sit back for the second leg). They will now meet Basel in the next round (so two teams from the Swis leagues!)
They also won their first round last year - beating Moldovans 2:1 on agragate
This tie is up for grabs for both teams. The main factor favouring Derry IMO is the fact that Gretna have to play away from home in two matches. We are going to bring are relatively large vocal support to Motherwell and I know our players will relish taking on a Scottish team in Fir Park. At the Brandywell we can take on anybody, Gretna will have their work cut out to get a result there. There are plans to get an extra 1,500 - 2,000 seats installed for this game. The atmosphere created at the Branywell in the big games is something else. Here's to hoping.
Whatever you think yourself. You've probably never seen Vaduz play so you are just making stupid assumptions that they were a crap team. Thing is, they weren't crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
FYI Rovers have won more games in Europe than any other Irish side.Quote:
Originally Posted by dancinpants
Anyway sincerely hope Derry go through if only to shut up more barstoolers. However it will be tough cos as you rightly say they are being bankrolled. Three advantages Derry have though. One is that they have won twice in Europe already this season, two is that both games for gretna are away and three Derry are away first.
KOH
And 4 - we're md-season, whilst they've yet to begin.Quote:
Originally Posted by NY Hoop
And 5 - we'll probably be less cocky going into the game than their players will.
This match won't be the pushover that some people thingk. Gretna may be a Scottish Lower Division team, but their squad isn't and that league position is merely temporary. They're by far and away favourites for promotion to the SPL, and already have an SPL-standard team in-place for it.
I am not trying to be political but it can be an unusual journey to outsiders not familiar with the area. I wasn't making the comment just because it was a scottish team either. Driving through the bogside would be the normal route to the Brandywell?Quote:
Originally Posted by Speranza
Have you ever read mypost's league review?Quote:
Originally Posted by Poor Student
Nah your right Grey Boy, It's just the same way as when Carmanthan (spelling ?) trounced Longford last season, it's a real set back for the league in general.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grey Boy
Just in the same way that Derry and Drogheda's win's were real boosts for the league.
Not at all - though it all depends on what direction you're travelling from and if you're walking or driving.Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
Most would go along the Foyle Rd, from either Craigavon Bridge or the Expressway along the river, through the edge of the Brandywell to the ground that way. I suspect the majority of vehciles would go this way.
You'd probably only go through the Bog if you were walking from town - though even then you'd be just as likely to go down Bishop St to the ground, and miss the Bog completely.
Why is it an unusual journey anyway ? In my experience people from outside the city love the Bogside, with its political history and intricately-drawn, unthreatening murals. The place was crawling with Gothenborg fans last Thursday.
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Originally Posted by SuperGretna
Why do you keep refering to Derry as spud pickers, aren't ther potatoes grown 7 picked in scotland? And in another post you use the term biggots biggotry is as common if not even more so in scottish life.
So do everyone a favour the f*ck up ya muppet jog on and go and eat you haggis with deep fried mars bar washed down with a nice glass of iron brew.
Can anyone explain how a blatant WUM has gotten a four page thread of WUMming? Are people that unable to ignore idiots?!
This isnt half as bad as citychat. This guy is a complete and utter BALLBAG!! "IS it safe to bring a Union Jack to Derry". Wot u think u muppett!!
Can't believe the complacency of some people here.
To win the Scottish Third, Gretna scored 130 goals in 36 games, nearly four a game. They slowed down to win the Scottish Second last year, scoring a mere 97 in 36 games, nearly three a game. They lost the Scottish Cup to Hearts on penos.
Anyone who thinks these are naturally a "lower league" Scottish pushover are deluding themselves.