Why would League of Ireland clubs doing well in Europe have anything to do with potential investment in a League that doesn't even take European competition seriously:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by dav_sfc
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Why would League of Ireland clubs doing well in Europe have anything to do with potential investment in a League that doesn't even take European competition seriously:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by dav_sfc
Whats the point in trying to get points if you dont want to move up the list? It defeats the purpose in the first place :confused:Quote:
The opposition there would still be stiffer than what we would have faced in the CL 3rd round but the points awarded are the same. So are we not better off in the 3rd round (i.e. lower than 25th!) in order to keep getting our 2 (easy?!) points a year?
I know you put a very valid argument across but the aim of the game is to rise up through the rankings.
You will get a yoyo effect where some seasons we are straight into 2nd QR and others we are back down as a seeded side and pick up decent points allowing us to get back up to the 2QR.
You dont have to stick there as soon as you go up and we probably wont but your talking about the CL here and its one team.
We will hopefully have two seeded sides in the UEFA Cup picking up points while our CL team is having a bash as the 2nd QR. Facing a winner from the 1st QR is not all that bad. You could nearly say Cork are doing this already as they are playing the seeded team who should win through, in theory.
Imagine this was the 2nd QR and Cork were facing these guys!!! It would only be a matter of time before we got a favourable draw in the 3rd Round and fluked our way into the CL proper.
Of course i want to see us climb the rankings and I really hope we are able for it when the time comes!
I just don't want to see the league stand still, quality-wise, while we climb the rankings and then not be able to pick up any points in the 2nd QR.
I think i went over the top when I was over-estimating the cost of failure at that stage. To 'yo-yo' a bit around the 25 rank would not be too bad i guess. And, as you said, we really should be looking for success soon in the uefa cup proper! And i mean soon as in COMMON DERRY AND DROGS!
Since seeing Shels draw with Depor at 'home' I really believe a fluke could be on the cards! And the 3-0 away did not reflect that game well and we could have scored over there!
Even a fluke into the Uefa group stages would be incredible and not that far away!
Well i really hope the league is taking Europe seriously and by having a summer league and postponing matches (Cork vs Bray, i think) so that proper preparations and rest can be had says we have.Quote:
Why would League of Ireland clubs doing well in Europe have anything to do with potential investment in a League that doesn't even take European competition seriously
The results are starting to come now too (can i have a pop at Longford here? no.. i better not.)
And obviously success in Europe would give investors the return they are looking for. Chelsea were bought the year they got champions league football! (not that that was for return on investment! but at least a CL team is a fun toy!)
Aah you missed my point dav_sfc.Quote:
Originally Posted by dav_sfc
The Eircom League teams take European football seriously. It's the Irish League,as you put it, who have not taken it seriously.
Surley as an Irish football fan you know the difference between the 2 leagues.
In fairness, he said "Irish league". The lack of capitals in league means he was talking about a league which is Irish - not necessarily the "Irish League" which is the complete title of our friends north of the border.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krstic
Tonight the night Big game for Cork can they get something?
Will the entry of a Montenegrin team in the CL for 2007/08 (presumably with zero coefficient) make it more likely that our league winners will be seeded next year?
Having seen last weeks game I would be cautiously optomistic.Quote:
Originally Posted by swinfordfc
Apollon aren't fully fit and looked very tired in the second half. The heat/humidity will affect them to some extent as well since they aren't playing regularly.
Their No 9 looked handy but if we play a good possession game we could get the draw or win we need.
It might. Then again, our seeded team could draw the Montenegrin champions and they could possible be stronger than you'd think.Quote:
Originally Posted by paudie
has the inauguration of the montenegran republic or whatever its gonna be called resulted in the establishment of a "montenegro fa" if this hasent happened, then were gettin a bit ahead of ourselves as it might be a year or so off...
There will be seperate leagues this season. Serbia have taken S&M's co-efficient points and their place in the European Championship qualifiers. So I think Montenegrin sides will start appearing in Europe next season.
ah, cheers for that.
bit off topic here, but does that mean that montenegro wont have the opportunity to field a team in the euro qualifiers this time round?
I think Serbia are going into the group that S&M were drawn in. (Javier Clemente is their new coach)Quote:
Originally Posted by monkey magic
I think Montenegro agreed as they need to set up their FA structures and will play friendlies until the next World Cup qualifiers.
it should have been a win tonight. George the failure has cost us Co-efficent points.
They easily could have had more goals at the end,how much of a difference would it have made on the points front?Quote:
Originally Posted by thejollyrodger
.5 divided by 3? 0.166 added to our tally? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by nshoop
thanks
It's got to something when I'm watching football, see a possible Cork chance, and immediately think, "Co-efficients!"Quote:
Originally Posted by dancinpants
You`re either a fool or a poor wind up merchant. There`s only one club out of Europe so far (hint:its your lot) & the other 3 have at least equalled if not surpassed most people`s expectations already.Quote:
Originally Posted by thejollyrodger
What will the points tally rise to if derry and drogheda go through and where will it leave us on the list?
here... were in the totally meaningless competition btw !!! I would rather concentrate on more important things like winning the EL so we can play champions league football next season.
1.833 is the bench mark to be fair
We were 0.833 before tonight from 3 games.Quote:
Originally Posted by nshoop
Add 0.5 for Cork tonight. Say Derry draw, and Drogheda win next week, that's
0.5+0.5+1= 2
2+0.833= 2.833
2.833/3= 0.944
I think that's right anyway.
Looks right,thanks:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Red&White
Well that is us onto 1.000 so far this year.
Even if Derry and Drogheda both won, we would still only be on 1.666 ...
I think 1.833 is going to be very hard to reach...
We will need six points to better our 5.5 last year. So far we have 3 points from 4 matches, with another 4 to go, though Cork will be playing much stronger opposition and a good chance of another 4 depending on whether or not Derry and Drogs get through.
We should be aiming to improve our co-efficient each year, i.e. getting more than we did 4 years ago as the co-efficients are calculated over a 5 year period. We got 0.5 points 4 years ago, which equals 0.166 co-efficient points, so seeing that we already have 2 co-efficient points this year we have improved our overall co-efficient and more than likely our country ranking.
Me too - worring more about statistics , instead of enjoying the game (two classy goals & a bagfull of top class saves by Devine - well worth the licence fee!)Quote:
Originally Posted by Red&White
:D :ball:
Better than that sh*te across the waterQuote:
Originally Posted by CuanaD
There's more muppetry in this thread than anywhere else on foot.ie.
Cork had a great result tonight, they are through to the next round. Thats the bottom line. They were in much more danger of not going through than winning the bloody game, particularly after they conceded.
Likewise, give me a draw against IFK and Drogs a scoreless draw against HJK and I guarantee we'll both bite your hands off.
Yet again the coefficient-obsessive-compulsives on this site get stuck admiring the trees and can't see they're in a fecking forest..........
Actually we should be aiming to get more than we did 5 years ago and I think it may have been worse than the 0.166 I mentioned previously.Quote:
Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge
That's wrong. The 0.833 before tonight was already divided by three. If Derry draw and Drogheda win it would be:Quote:
Originally Posted by Red&White
0.5 (Cork tonight) + 0.5 + 1.0 = 2
(2/3) + 0.833 = 1.5
Ah right, fair enough, sonds better.
Don't forget, the CL may be three qualifying rounds but UEFA only has two. IF Derry were to get through against Gothenburg, AND win the next tie, they would be gathering double points in the first round proper. Long way in the distance, but just reminding people.
some clarification please,anybody?maybe a link?
http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/...crank2009.html
Three years down the line, if we keep it up....:)
These include tonights result?
Yeah they do indeed :)
I reckon we can get up to 33rd place for 2008, so maybe we should be expecting more of a jump come 2009, especially considering EL clubs in the CL will have easier first round ties due to seeding and more chance of 2 points rather than 1.5 this year while unseeded.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gareth
true!
Totally agree, getting through to the next round is FAR more important than the coefficient. But, the rankings can make things easier for Irish teams in future years - giving better chances of MORE Euro-games - thats why we care about them too.Quote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy