What about Zindanes penalty!!?? Fcuking class and balls of steal to do that :)
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What about Zindanes penalty!!?? Fcuking class and balls of steal to do that :)
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Zidane will be remembered solely for that just like Maradona is remembered solely for the hand of god goal.
Maybe you should replace the word "solely" with "principally" ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Marked Man
Maradona is remembered more for his other goal against England(best WC goal of all time imo) and for winning the '86 WC for Argentina by carrying a mediocre team through the tournament.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marked Man
What you remember Zidane for is really a 'do you think the glass is half empty/half full?' sort of question. Real football fans will remember his sparkling genius, while others are always ready to have a go at someone, point the finger, will look at the negative aspect.
Zidane deserved to be sent off, Italy won. I don't really see how anyone can link the two together. I don't think he had anything to do with Trezeguet's miss which is what actually sent France out. As with pineapple stu, there was little going to happen in those last 10 minutes. There was nothing to show there was going to be, you can't say Zidane ruined his country's chances and let *so many* people down. :rolleyes:
I think there is an underlying petulant streak in him and it happened tonight, it's sad to see, but as for the hyperbolé as him being tarnished forever is equally as sad, disappointing, predictable and yet not very surprising. His moments of genius should prevail.
Joema - stop talking out your hole or else start using some of that memory bank I presume you have. Zidane committed a disgraceful headbutt but to wipe away his previous WC, EC, Serie A, La Liga and European Cups for it is just retarded.
As for deciding the game, I wouldn't have layed any money for the draw. Yes anything can happen but odds were that it was heading to penalties any way and Zidane would have maybe taken one of the scorers kicks. I dont think it factored an awful lot into the result, just peoples perceptions of him.
If you watch Materazzi he fouls so much and never gets anything in return but a tap on the ankles now and again.Zidane just lost it with him and gave a head butt for everyone that Materazzi had kicked or whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by joema
It was madness considering the ocassion and the fact it was say by millions of people.
Zidane was the only one on the French team that was a danger in the second half for France.He wanted this so much,which could be seen by the fact that he came back on after he went off with the shoulder injury and although in pain,continued.
Anyone who remembers him solely for this incident has the memory of a gold fish.He has been arguebly the greatest player of his generation,and will be remembered for his footballing genius.
I suppose I should have used smiley faces...Quote:
Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge
This post would win best barstooler post if there was such a competition. Yes it was a moment of madness, it was hardly a calculated act he practiced and thought about before the game. It doesnt excuse it, but was spur of the moment madness. He is human after all and is renown for his bad temper. He has a history of lashing out, but in 98 it was in the group stages (a stamp on a saudi player). He is and always will be a legend of the game. I will always look up to him and other tragic football heroes for their football abilities, Best, Zidane, Maradonna, Garincha. At least he isnt like Pele, selling his national league down the toilet. In a way, It is somewhat comforting to know that even the greats, have faults.Zidane messed up, so what? Im sure he doesnt need anyone to tell him hes messed up right now. Nodoby can condone it but can in time forget it.Quote:
Originally Posted by joema
The comment about the "oh what about the young people watching" is hilarious. I cant help but see this line finding its way into Ned Flanders' script in some new Simpsons episode in the near future. Such incidents happen in every sport particularly our own games, and rugby. Its part of the game, and always will be. If its any consolation, I think it was past the watershed anyways, with the extra time and all. And as for the nobodys paying 500e.Well I can assure you, a player of Zidanes stature doesnt give a monkeys about joe soap losing a bit of cash. Im sure anyone who was at the final certainly was not from the background that Zizou was raised in France.
Of course it matters what Materazzi said to Zidane. Materazzi is well known for unprofessional antics as well. The whole French team, in particular, have been subjected to terrible racism back in France. If Materazzi said a racist comment, then it is easier to understand why Zidane reacted unprofessionally, like any hot tempered red blooded man would have. Who knows, Zidane could soon be endorsing "lets stamp racism out of football", literally. I cant wait to hear more about the incident, as I say, if it was racist, I for one would have probably said or done something as well.
Zidane is a football legend. The best of the last twenty years. He certainly went out with a bang.. He will be remembered for the 98 genius and 2006 mistake. Any real football fan will be able to look beyond the narrow mindedness of this one incident and acknowledge all his career points(ups and downs) collectively. Period.
Think i'll remember Zidane a lot more for his two goals in '98 and Hampden Park than for the incident. France may have lost anyway tonight but wouldn't be far-fetched to say he ensured it, being their best peno-taker and all.
Shame.
verily the clock keys are whirringQuote:
Originally Posted by Marked Man
thinkin on it.....I don't reckon zidane was right going into that game...i reckon all the in-fighting and cliques and sh!t might have got to him. I think he knew France were poor in the qualifiers and poor in the group stages...he changed everything for them and dragged them to the final...practically managing the team...i think he knew that wasnt right...when roles are reversed it aint cool...i think in that spilt second with a alleged racial slur triggering him he thought this is all balls. I'm outta here. Football is a dirty game today and needs serious changes to regain its glory. Italian scandal...diving ridden games...Zidane as a player and as a man everyone looked up to. He for the most part was above the cr@p. This is a deep thinking man who loved lego for gods sake!. a great man. i hope this crazy act will in someone way make people realize racisim if thats what it was is alive and well in football and wont be put away by a few phony speeches before a couple of matches. I will not remember zidane for the act but for the thousands of other acts that made me smile and love this game.
can anyone actually clarify is the 4th official allow intervene on the basis of tv replays on his montior? accoridng to the BBC he can not ( and that is my understanding) but according to RTE panel he can.
also i would love to know what was said to Zidane and will Matterrazi be charged with anything...from the tv it appeared he definitle said something which must have been highly insulting to have got Zidane to react and if so IMO Matterazi should face a 3 match ban as well.
Zidane will be remembered by me for scoring the most stunning goal to win a major final at Hampden Park with his outrageous volley against Levekusen.
I agree with the idea of Matterazi having a case to answer regarding ungentlemanly conduct.
I think RTE got it wrong - it was the linesman I thought who intervened. Note the stadium monitors would not have shown the incident. Replays of anything even vaguely controversial were not shown in the stadium.Quote:
Originally Posted by Forever Dreamin
Sad end to a great career. He will be remembered for a lot more than the headbutt though.
Such a fine line between success & failure, total greatness & partial greatness etc.
Compare Zizou's penalty to Trezeguet's. Probably only an inch or two in the difference.
Also, if Zidane's header was only a foot or two wide of Buffon. I'd say this was playing on his mind. I'd say he was livid with himself for missing it & his mind got ****ed up as a result.
A shame, but he's still the most brilliant European footballer I've seen.
According to both Lippi and Domenech, a replay of the incident was seen by the fourth and fifth official (didn't know there was one) when the looked at a monitor on the sideline, and subsequently reported to assisant referee.Quote:
Originally Posted by gspain
Surely this is a clear breach of FIFA's own rules?
What rule is that nedder?
Agreed. the best European player i've seen also. A joy to watch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Is he retired from club football also?
The one about not using video evidence....Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Is there an actual rule though, or do they just not do it? Not stirring btw, genuinely want to know
Oh and yeah, Zidane's retired from all football.
I reckon after his nip*le was pinched, the conversation went on to a salacious nature where ZZ's girlfriend, wife or whatever came into the discussion with perhaps a racial slur (what is ZZ's background ?) thrown in for good measure.
ZZ - My footballing hero and now a legend. There is nothing wrong with having a bit of a nasty streak in you as a footballer, but his reaction last night was OTT. If that butt had've smashed into the Italian's face he would have needed ongoing surgery for the next year. It was a very violent and sad way to 'bow' out. Imagine how he feels today, he must be sick to his stomach. I doubt even if France had won the competition that he would have come out to celebrate or even lift the trophy, such was the nature of the red card.
Can't find an actual rule! But the point is they either use video replays or they don't. If they had of used them throughout the game, don't think the French penalty would have been given. Also the Figo headbutt earlier in the tournament? why wasn't he sent off on the basis of replays?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
I think if it was the case that replay footage was used, its going to signal the start of using replays for a number of decisions.
FIFA have stated no replays were used
I thought the butt was pretty vicious tbh, not much play acting at all from Materazzi IMO. If it was a dive, Im sure the media would be covering it, they've made plenty of comments about diving over the course fo the WC and would revel in highlighting the fact that Materazzi and helped get Zizou sent off. They didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by ken foree
Toni's header was offside, marginal yes, but offside nonetheless.Quote:
Originally Posted by ken foree
I don't think it was offside. Strange that not one replay was shown during the game
What channel was that. Watched it on BBC and showed a few replays showing it was definately offside...French stepped up and all 3 Italians were offside when the ball was playedQuote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
BBC showed it a half time or full time can't remember which. Freeze frame looks to show all 3 italians offside. It was tight though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
But Toni wasn't offside if that makes a difference?Quote:
Originally Posted by Junior
Toni was one of the 3 - he was offside.
He was....and i would say the others were interfering with play even if he wasntQuote:
Originally Posted by lofty9
The obvious response is "Well, they would say that wouldn't they".Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
I do think people are jumping to conclusions without knowing for sure whether the linesman saw it happen himself. Firstly, it's important to remember that the linesman is miked up and in communication with the ref so he doesn't need to wave his flag madly or make a public declaration that he's informing the ref. He can just calmly tell him 'Zidane just threw a loaf'.
Second-of-ly, look at how Elizondo handled the Rooney sending-off. The English conspiracy theorists claim that the ref was going to take no action until C. Ronaldo made the case for the prosecution. My take on both sendings off is that this ref waits until things have calmed down before taking action, instead of blazing in waving cards around and risking inflaming the situation.
As mentioned before both Domenech and Lippi have stated that the fourth official looked at a monitor on the sideline. Did they just make up the fact that a monitor was there? If they don't use replays then why is the monitor there at all?
http://www.football365.com/news/story_188410.shtml
And Domenech though Materazzi was diving FFS so he's hardly an unbiased judge
There is a differnce between just looking at a monitor and actually informing the referee.Quote:
Originally Posted by nedder
But I agree with you that this needs to be cleared up quickly, because if TV evidence was used, it must be used for all incidents, and you cant just pick and choose what you tell the referee.
Its the 5th official that has the monitor and the 4th official does not. It was the 4th official that contacted the referee.
Fifa's story here..............
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/foot...ce/5164616.stm
From what I could see the total legend that is Gianluigi Buffon went over to the linesman and reminded him that he had seen the incident and should inform the referee. The linesman and the ref then consulted together and Zizou was sent off.
Mind you I was very busy jumping up and down and laughing at Zizou that I may have that wrong. ;)
KOH
PS Marco Materazzi is my hero. What a man, scores equaliser, gets Zidane sent-off, converts penalty and has the best Marx Bros style comedy Italian face ever! Forza Italia!!
Flea, you spoilt what is an otherwise excellent post. Being racially abused doesn't make his actions any more acceptable or understandable than if Materazzi called him spam-head. If I nutted someone everytime I heard a racist comment in my presence about the Irish, I'd be doing more time in British jails than Mad Frankie Fraser. Paddy, cr*p 'Irish' jokes, using Irish as a adjective for stupidity, 'are you in the IRA?', and a general acceptance that the Irish in Britain are great sorts because (and they generally do) put up with this sh*t, unlike those more sensitive darkies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flea
Perhaps you think I'm exaggerating, but why should say you or I put up with this abuse and Zidane not. Because we're white? Because we're now one of the richest nations in the world, both culturally and financially? Or that we're Irish, and we're those great sorts that I've mentioned above. Because take it from me, it hurts (especially as a child, which again Zidane isn't) just as much as any other form of racism.
Zidane's last act on the field was to get sent off for a vicious head butt. It's hardly surprising that that's a lot of people's significant memory of him.