Ian Wright (and TV pundits in general)

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Originally Posted by gustavo

Dunphy et al should be able to realise the irony of them earning a living off a league which is muck in their own words

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I thought the RTE panel's reaction to the English game last night was a national disgrace. Scoffing and jeering has now taken over from analysis. Dunphy said he enjoyed the first 80 minutes of the game. Could you imagine our reaction if Wright or some other clown on the BBC said they were enjoying a match because Ireland were doing badly. Then they play snippets of interviews with Beckam and Sven and totally jeer and scoff at their remarks. Sven says they haven't beaten Sweden for a while now and Laughing Bill says, sotto voce, "and I doubt if you will for a while yet". Very professional and unbiased. Incidentally, Dunphy who of course jeered the most, seemed to have forgotton than on his radio programme the day before the WC began had tipped England to do well because they had such "great players as Lampard and Gerrard".

England were poor but they have 6 points out of 6 and have qualified for the next round. They started very badly in Italia 90 and lost in the semis to penalties to Germany (another team Dunphy loves to scoff at). As I also predicted earlier Giles attacked the Premiership, the league he makes his living out of commentating on.

Attack the performance like any other bad performance from any other team but the jeering and scoffing does our national broadcaster no favours at all.

Oh and by the way anyone see Dunphy say after the Sweden game that if England and Sweden draw, England will finish top on the basis of the most goals scored. The clown had forgotten that in such circumstances England would have more points than Sweden and Laughing Bill didn't or wouldn't contradict him.

OwlsFan, you expect those slip ups from RTE. They never have a clue how many points people are on or how to work a Tv camera or how switch over to Giles's little stop 'n' go clips. Their production is 2nd rate at best sometimes but its still the most entertaining of the 3 main stations coverage. And for football purity, I dont think you can look further than RTE either. They've stuck together a great crew of pundits (I'm warming to Souness which makes me feel dirty) who analyse games in more depth than anything on the other 2 channels. Whats the deal with the BBC ending their post match coverage 5 minutes after a game? Maybe its a subconscious attempt on the BBC's part to keep the ramblings of Wrighty to himself

For some reason unknown to me, work decided to show the ITV coverage of the England game yesterday. Having now sampled all 3 main teams of commentators (I'm not even contemplating checking out amateur hour over on UK TV G2) I can safely say that RTE are actually streets ahead of both BBC and ITV in terms of analysis and knowledge of the game.
Tyldsley (sp?) at the end of the first said that "England were finishing strongly" whereon T & T promptly had the best chance of the game!
All his commentary seemed to focus on was "wave after wave of England attack", nothing was made of the organisation and discipline of the opposition and their efforts to frustrate the English.

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

I'm not even contemplating checking out amateur hour over on UK TV G2

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Wasn't even aware they had WC coverage. I'm just imagining the line up now. Steve Claridge will be there. Perhaps, Dave Basset too. And Rodney Marsh is out of a job these days too so I'd imagine he's there all day everyday. Are they covering all the games or what?

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Originally Posted by LeixlipRed

Wasn't even aware they had WC coverage. I'm just imagining the line up now. Steve Claridge will be there. Perhaps, Dave Basset too. And Rodney Marsh is out of a job these days too so I'd imagine he's there all day everyday. Are they covering all the games or what?

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Rodney Marsh is on TalkSport, or TalkNONSENSE as Football365 refer to them as.
UKTVG2 are covering all the games, I think DJ Spoony is one of the commentators, can't remember who the other one is, check the website?

DJ Spoony?? I checked their site and can only find mention of some guy called Stuart Hall who they have on it. No one else. Maybe they don't need pundits or any of that stuff. Why are they even bothering showing the games? Surely their audience would be way less than 100,000 people? probably way less than 50k too

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Originally Posted by LeixlipRed

some guy called Stuart Hall

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If you haven't heard of Stuart Hall then all I can say is .....Christ I feel old. The guys is a legend. Crap commentator mind, but a legend nonetheless.

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Originally Posted by LeixlipRed

DJ Spoony?? I checked their site and can only find mention of some guy called Stuart Hall who they have on it. No one else. Maybe they don't need pundits or any of that stuff.

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Can't find him on the site either, but according to the telegraph - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main...6/09/btv09.xml - him and David Seaman were the commentators for the opening game

Who is DJ Spoony? I dont normally judge a person by their name but this guy sounds like a fool

Stuart Hall will have to check that out, a legend. Still does some BBC 5 live match reports. Over the top but highly enjoyable. I suppose if I said he used to do Its a Knockout as well that wouldnt help these young uns

I know what Its a Knockout is. Ive never seen it of course :p . What was the French version of that called? Something "sans frontieres" afaik. Must have seen that on some Channel 4 special :D

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

I can safely say that RTE are actually streets ahead of both BBC and ITV in terms of analysis and knowledge of the game.
Tyldsley (sp?) at the end of the first said that "England were finishing strongly" whereon T & T promptly had the best chance of the game!
All his commentary seemed to focus on was "wave after wave of England attack", nothing was made of the organisation and discipline of the opposition and their efforts to frustrate the English.

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He was correct though. They did finish strongly.

"Streets ahead in terms of analysis and knowledge of the game" :eek: Dunphy who only has biases not knowledge. This second rate footballer has the audacity to attack players like Lampard and Gerrard. I can accept it from Giles, Brady and Souness - all great players in their day but not him. I repeat there was very little "analysis" of the England vs T & T game last night. Jeers and scoffing were the order of the day. I think it's embarassing to see that kind of glorying in England's woes (that aren't really woes at all). Considering that a lot of English people are working here now and probably tune into RTE's coverage, they must find it odd and probably a few find it upsetting. I think even Souness is taken aback by the attitude, especially that of Dunphy. As WB Yeats said, we've disgraced ourselves again. Analysis yes - jeering, sniggering and scoffing no. It was pathetic. I almost want England to do well now but even if they do, it will of course be down to the shortcomings of the opposition.

I also find it ironic bearing in mind that Giles apeared on the RTE saying that this old anti-English bias is a thing of the past. Hypocrite.

The national broadcaster has to be objective - alas the RTE panel from the Charlton, McCarthy and current era it never has been. It has just carried on with the poison dwarf entertaining the great unwashed with his vitriol aided by Laughing Bill - ah sure it's all great craic. Yet when the BBC get their buffoon in the shape of Wright, we see him for what he is.

In the land of the blind, the one eyed is king.

I dont think Dunphy and Giles scoffing is aimed at the English people in general. Its aimed at the English media. They've frequently joked about the hype behind what is, at best, a mediocre team. And Souness might be taken aback but he has the most bigoted history of the 3 of them so I dont understand why he would be shocked. This is the man who wore t-shirts proclaiming his "love" for the Irish and refused to play certain irish players during his career in management

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Originally Posted by LeixlipRed

DJ Spoony?? I checked their site and can only find mention of some guy called Stuart Hall who they have on it. No one else. Maybe they don't need pundits or any of that stuff. Why are they even bothering showing the games? Surely their audience would be way less than 100,000 people? probably way less than 50k too

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I suppse he'd be one of those 'celebrity' fans then. have to say Stuart Hall's commentary is a good laugh... certainly a better option than Motson. thank God for that red button!

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Originally Posted by LeixlipRed

some guy called Stuart Hall

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Stuart Hall is a legend teetering on the edge of insanity. He used to present It's a Knockout and does BBC football reports in the same style - no difference to Stuart between a Premiership match and two sets of eejits dressed up as animals carrying buckets of water over a bouncy castle.

I gave ITV a chance for the England game yesterday because I couldn't face Ger Canning's "Beckham lofts it into the parralleogram". Was doing fine until they showed Rooney on the big screen after about 25 minutes: "Our Freddie Flintoff...our Johnny Wilkinson...our gamebreaker". Uughh. They just don't do humility. Having been humiliated for 80 minutes, Tyldsley spent the last few patronising T&T about how 'they'll have enjoyed their day out'. Sickening.

Stuart Hall used to present a international TV game called "Jeux sans Frontiers" and is one of those radio football commentators who uses 8 words when 1 would do.

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Originally Posted by bluemovie

'they'll have enjoyed their day out'. Sickening.

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If he actually said that , it's incredible!:(

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Originally Posted by bluemovie

I gave ITV a chance for the England game yesterday because I couldn't face Ger Canning's "Beckham lofts it into the parralleogram".

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:D :D Now that brings back memories...

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Originally Posted by bluemovie

I gave ITV a chance for the England game yesterday because I couldn't face Ger Canning's "Beckham lofts it into the parralleogram". Was doing fine until they showed Rooney on the big screen after about 25 minutes: "Our Freddie Flintoff...our Johnny Wilkinson...our gamebreaker". Uughh. They just don't do humility. Having been humiliated for 80 minutes, Tyldsley spent the last few patronising T&T about how 'they'll have enjoyed their day out'. Sickening.

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I likewise watched ITV and can vouch for your assessment. I too found Tyldesley's commentary stomach-churning.

I can't say I'll derive a great amount of satisfaction from England's exit when it happens - Christ, I must be mellowing in my old age - but when it happens I'll have to tune in particularly to Tyldesley just to listen to him squirm. The least impartial, most little-Englander commentator of the lot, and that's saying something. That said, I can't see him accepting defeat graciously. And as for Ian Wright's anticipated response? God help us...

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Originally Posted by Plastic Paddy

And as for Ian Wright's anticipated response? God help us...

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I'd imagine it will be something like "If Sven hadda brought me son, Wrighty Junior, we wudve mashed those Argies. Innit!!!"

Agree completely about the English coverage of the WC so far ... having said that once they've been knocked out we'll have the usual backlash directed towards some individual on a scale that beggars belief. Two years ago it was Urs Meier, 1998 was Beckham ... I wonder who will be this tournament's lucky winner / scapegoat!

Btw - Rodney Marsh is doing work for Talksport alright - it shouldn't come as a huge surprise though because that two-bob operation is run by Kelvin MacKensie who was the Editor of the sun newspaper in 1989 when they ran that 'story' about the Liverpool fans at Hillsborough just days after the disaster.

Stuart Hall - "AND HERE COME THE BELGIANS".

Legendary stuff.

I have never seen worse commentary from ITV in my life. Did anyone hear David Pleat when De Rossi was sent off? "If it was in the box it would be understandable." Absolutely disgraceful. And then in the second half, with the score at 1-1, USA have a goal dissalowed. When the ball initially hit the net Tyldesley shouts out "EQUALISER". What a gobsh!te.

Also during RTE's half time analysis, the legendary Bill O'Herlihy came out with another one of his gems. "Lets take a look at McBride's goal now." Brilliant.:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by dmandmythdledge

Also during RTE's half time analysis, the legendary Bill O'Herlihy came out with another one of his gems. "Lets take a look at McBride's goal now." Brilliant.:rolleyes:

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What about all them FACTS at the end "THe FACT is Bill it was a penalty" did the Italians have a penalty! Giles is annoying all he can say was the fact is.

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Originally Posted by dmandmythdledge

I have never seen worse commentary from ITV in my life. Did anyone hear David Pleat when De Rossi was sent off? "If it was in the box it would be understandable." Absolutely disgraceful. And then in the second half, with the score at 1-1, USA have a goal dissalowed. When the ball initially hit the net Tyldesley shouts out "EQUALISER". What a gobsh!te.

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Heard that too mate, classic error by the commentator. Don't think it was Tylsdley though. He was commentating on the Ghana v Czech Rep. match - but twice he referred to the Czech Republic as "Poland". Clive clearly struggles to remember the names the countries... well 32 is a big number.

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Originally Posted by cfdh_edmundo

twice he referred to the Czech Republic as "Poland". Clive clearly struggles to remember the names the countries... well 32 is a big number.

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And when it's not Ingerlund or ManYoo Tyldesley is far away from his usual frames of reference, hence the permanent comparisons to things of familiarity ("Falkirk reserves", etc.). It's so parochial it hurts. :rolleyes:

As for the twonk commentating in the YooEssEh game? It must have been Peter Drury. Think "Mini Me" from the Austin Powers films and you've got Drury in relation to Tyldesley. Slightly smaller and slightly less annoying. And that's the nicest thing I think I can say about him.

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Anyone see Wright laughing his ass off at the Korean goal - more directly at Desailly. Lucky Marcell is quite a cultured man or he'd halve hammered him. Even Lineker and Hansen were embarrassed at the hyena

Wright is an absolute disgrace and should be removed before somebody throws him one . Pleat has the most annoying voice on tv , Motty should step down and be replaced by Barry [the voice ] Davies , no doubt his intelligent commentry is badly missed . ITV just havnt a clue have they and Andy Townsend and McCoist are just car crash TV .

This from one of the Sunday papers....

Best wishes to Alan Shearer currently in a Berlin hospital having splinters removed from his arse after breaking the all-comers fence-sitting record .
.........Quality.

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Originally Posted by Soko

Anyone see Wright laughing his ass off at the Korean goal - more directly at Desailly. Lucky Marcell is quite a cultured man or he'd halve hammered him. Even Lineker and Hansen were embarrassed at the hyena

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:D
im missing all this over here in germany though :(

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Originally Posted by Soko

Anyone see Wright laughing his ass off at the Korean goal - more directly at Desailly. Lucky Marcell is quite a cultured man or he'd halve hammered him. Even Lineker and Hansen were embarrassed at the hyena

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Certainly far less offensive than the RTE panel and chairman scoffing and jeering at England after the T & T game.

Also Hamilton after South Korea draw with France "who would have believed it ?". Laughing Bill after the same game "who would have believed it ?".
Well, errr, anyone who knows anything about football, has seen France's performances since winning the World Cup and the performances of South Korea over the past 4 years would well believe it. These guys give the "minnows" no credit for their performances - it's always down to the failings of the "bigger" team. On the earlier game I thought Australia did very well to close Brazil down and give them no space and hit them on the counter - but negative RTE condemn Australia as a mediocre team and put all the failings down to Brazil because they haven't lived up to their (ther panel's) expectations. There was not a word of praise for Australia.

I think at the very least we can agree that though the RTE panel has its failings, it is still the least of many evils

Australia are mediocre and RTE take look at nearly ever game with the view is there a potential winner amongst the teams. They are not really interested in the hard working journey men that is Australia. Owls fan if you hate RTE so much why dont you watch it.

In my view RTE are the best not because I agree with them but they give me something to agree or disagree with. That is the crucial difference between them and the British chanels. There is a lack of debate on the British chanels and they seem to forget also that they are broadcasting to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.


Barry Davies retried from the BBC because he said they had lost the sense that they were a British Broadcasting Corporation and not an English Broadcasting Corporation.

Martin O Neill is good, Hansen is overated but is good most of the time except when commenting on England. Dowie and Mc Carthy are not bad also on the BBC in my view.

On ITV Pleat and Beglin are ok but the rest of them are rubbish with the exception of Curbishly and Allardyce.

RTE can be like a broken record and Giles Irwin and Cunnigham need to disagree with Giles and Dunphy a bit more just like Brady does when he is on. I think Souness has been great and its clear his failings as a manager are down to his lack of man mangement skills in my view.

Giles has a very old fashioned view of the way the game should be played. 90% of what he says is correct but he does not take into account the way the modern game is played etc. His view about keeping possession and tracking back and working hard and following your man are all correct but on the subtle issues of the game I think he is possibly out of date. But still RTE are far and away the best because they actually talk about tactics.

Maybe, just maybe, RTE are the best because they obviously don't have bias in this World Cup.

I think even when Ireland are in the world Cup RTE are not guilty of been biased in favour of Ireland. I am sure there are people here who would argue that during 1990 and 1994 they were overly critical of ireland and the manager etc. So that is one thing that RTE Panel could not be guilty of. I though Kerr was top class on the panel in the last world cup and so was Gerry Armstrong.

Whats the story with Bill O'Herlihy and his "Okey Doke"?

I'm hearing bits of stories about some big bet on the he will/won't say it during the World Cup.
Anyone any idea?

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Originally Posted by OwlsFan

Certainly far less offensive than the RTE panel and chairman scoffing and jeering at England after the T & T game.

Also Hamilton after South Korea draw with France "who would have believed it ?". Laughing Bill after the same game "who would have believed it ?".
Well, errr, anyone who knows anything about football, has seen France's performances since winning the World Cup and the performances of South Korea over the past 4 years would well believe it. These guys give the "minnows" no credit for their performances - it's always down to the failings of the "bigger" team. On the earlier game I thought Australia did very well to close Brazil down and give them no space and hit them on the counter - but negative RTE condemn Australia as a mediocre team and put all the failings down to Brazil because they haven't lived up to their (ther panel's) expectations. There was not a word of praise for Australia.

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RTE may be the most patronising analysts ever to hit the screen but Wright was a disgrace. Blatantly laughing his hole off 2 yards from Desailly after his team had conceded a late equaliser, this in post match analysis after time to calm down. It was cringe worthy and an embarrassment to the BBC to have that idiot working their presentation.

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Originally Posted by LeixlipRed

Who is DJ Spoony? I dont normally judge a person by their name but this guy sounds like a fool

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Works for 5-Live as far as i know. Presents 606 on Wednesdays and Saturdays when Alan green is not around. Big Liverpool fan apparanetly, but usually talks a bit of sense..

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

Australia are mediocre and RTE take look at nearly ever game with the view is there a potential winner amongst the teams. They are not really interested in the hard working journey men that is Australia. Owls fan if you hate RTE so much why dont you watch it.

In my view RTE are the best not because I agree with them but they give me something to agree or disagree with. That is the crucial difference between them and the British chanels. There is a lack of debate on the British chanels and they seem to forget also that they are broadcasting to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. .

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So do you think Australia's performance against Brazil was mediocre ? I thought they played really well, closed down Brazil and created some excellent chances. There was no praise for their performance. Why should RTE not be interested in the "hard working journey men that is Australia" if they put in a good performance? Is the World Cup only about Brazil and Argentina ?

There is no "debate" on RTE. It's just cynical criticism most of the time. And I haven't seen your response to the panel's reaction to the English game. If that was English TV about Ireland, there would have been national outrage in this country. Tabloid panelism (excuse the word) is what I'd call it.

I like Irwin, Cunningham, Souness and Giles who can talk a lot of sense but he's now just turning into a grumpy old man.

As for Wright laughing at South Korea equalising against France, Dunphy and the panel laughed at and ridiculed England and Sven - showed clippets and then scoffed and laughed at them. It was Ian Wrightism (another made up word) of the lowest order. Some would call it "debate".

Why do I watch RTE ?- I channel surf and try and catch them all. Same with commentaries. Houghton seems to have fallen in to the Andy Gray mode of "I'll spend the afternoon criticising the referee" and I was delighted when Giles supported the ref in the sending offs in the USA vs Italy game. The other two RTE commentators are good but Hamilton misses so much and always seems to think a goal lead is the end of things.

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Originally Posted by PaulB

Works for 5-Live as far as i know. Presents 606 on Wednesdays and Saturdays when Alan green is not around. Big Liverpool fan apparanetly, but usually talks a bit of sense..

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The same ALan Green who said a few days ago "I am born in Northern Ireland and I can't understand how anyone from the UK is not supporting England". He must have led a very sheltered life in Northern Ireland.:eek: