I take it you dont know Ollie Byrne then ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
and to think of all the threads you have contributed to on the man himself and it appears you dont even know him!!
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I take it you dont know Ollie Byrne then ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
and to think of all the threads you have contributed to on the man himself and it appears you dont even know him!!
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Originally Posted by Roverstillidie
When ?
Or are you going to play the 'lets pretend I know stuff but cant say it' card.
That articale mentions nothing about being kicked out of Tolka which you said was going to happen.
you were told by us last week something was going to happen soon with property speculators and tolka, you dismissed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by higgins
its now in the press and you are still dismissing it.
stop trying to score points and get real. this is happening. right now.
i hope no one is suggesting that money is going missing and/or being used inapropriatly? that'd be wrong of you if you did ;)
We're keeping you alive at the moment and the convicted criminal knows this.Quote:
Originally Posted by higgins
KOH
You told us something would happen soon yet you say its been known for years ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Roverstillidie
All I posted was nothing in the article was new news.
and it is far from the D-Day picture you painted.
IF we takle everything in there as being 100% fact it still doesnt exactly spell out disaster does it?
When you are talking about selling your ground its only normal procedure that you discuss this with people who may buy it off you.
as for the bridging loans they mention, Shels paid 300K of a tax bill in one go.
Is it news to you that they may have had a helping hand????
As I said nothing in there is new......
As for your comments about something will happen soon :confused:
Care to tell me WHAT will happen WHEN or you still sitting on the fence.
you have got to be a WUM, there is no way you actually believe this.Quote:
Originally Posted by higgins
you were told last week something was imminent. la la la you said.
it now hits the press. you still cant see it.
one of the guys who tried to **** us in tallaght is part of a consortium of property speculators who own your lease on tolka. they can cash this at any time. olly can walk away a rich man and leave you high and dry. no problems and you dont care? he sold you out on the qt and you still reckon all is peachy?
Shels will be far away from any sort of traditional heartlands they've had if they move to Tallaght. Rovers have also had a headstart of quite a few years in making the people of Tallaght feel they belong to them. If Shels had to move so far to share with a rejuvenated Rovers then they could be the ones in trouble.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galway Harps
A.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roverstillidie
Ollie will not walk away
B.
What are the developers waiting on if its like you say
c.
When you said something was going to happen, you meant that a story would appear in the print media basically giving a summary of around 4,000 posts on this message board!!! :)
That really is something .........
A few genuine question for you, Higgins...
1. What proprtion/percentage of the final sale price for Tolka will Shels get?
2. How much of this has already been spent on the day-to-day runnning of the club over the past year or so?
3. What assurances has Ollie given you that whatever Shels stand to gain financially will be re-invested in the club and not stuffed in his suitcase as he packs for Rio?
4. Have the developers given you a timescale for how long more they will permit Shels to remain in Tolka and, if they haven't, what guarantee do you have that they can't turf you out in the morning?
5. Have Shels announced to the supporters any long-term development plan for the future of the club re: Swords/Donabate stadium, Abbotstown, Tallaght etc.
Oh really? Here's Ollie from yesterday's SBP -Quote:
Originally Posted by higgins
http://archives.tcm.ie/businesspost/...story12715.asp
"Asked about the club’s relationship with Coneforth, Shelbourne chief executive Ollie Byrne said: ‘‘I don’t know what you are on about there. There is no deal done.”
That, Higgins, is a blatant lie.
When this goes wrong for Shels (either through Ollie shafting you or more likely, Kilkenny and chums chucking you out) don't come on here looking for empathy or advice from the very people who've been shouting "WAKE THE FOOK UP" at Shels fans for aeons now.
KOH
When asked about the RELATIONSHIP Ollie replied there was no DEAL done ?Quote:
Originally Posted by WeAreRovers
Id like to have the question put to Ollie.
seem it may be out of context given he added on the word DEAL...
Cant tell much from that to be honest.
Deal or no Deal he is hardly going to turn around and give all the juicy details on the spot is he.
Everyone would give a no comment style answer..
1. I dont know but wouldnt it increase over time the longer we remain in Tolka and prices go up?Quote:
Originally Posted by manic da hoop
2. I dont know but IF there were some bridging loans as they put it over the past few seasons is it more then what the value of Tolka went up over the same few years
3. His word
4. Your assuming there was a deal done
5. Yes they announced they were moving to Donabate, the land out there was rezoned and a lot of other work done regarding Tolka but then Dalymount popped up and you should know what has happened from there. The FAI are still intent on groundsharing from what I hear and I dont think the Bohs deal will go all that smoothly for them. At the moment we are playing in Tolka Park as there is a lot of confusion around the place, why rush into something.
hmmm, things really are getting interesting in dubland...
despite all the d-day predictions from rovers fans(the one club whom this deal might directly affect ala groundsharing in tallaght) the only genuine worry that i can see from a shels fans point of view is that ollie might decide to cash in and head for the high hills...
other than that, if you look at it, even if they only get a 30% cut- 10 million and lets say theve spent 3-4 million of that already, they'l be moving into a nice new ground in tallaght which is plenty big for them, and wont have to pay anyhthing like they would have had to get a share in dalymount
and id wager they bed in nicely in tallaght if they're able to keep their current team together(the remaining 6 million should ensure this) and play regularily in europe, despite rovers having a few years of a headstart...
is the value of the lease in tolka appreciating? id be surprised. its a lease, not ownership and every day is a day less on the lease
Shels always great for close or mid season break entertainment :)
- value of Tolka park land increasing
- value of lease reducing (less years left)
- value of Shels debts increasing
- cost of running Shels increasing?
- no CL this year so Sgels revenue decreasing.
:confused:
You go Higgins, don't let these Rovers **** get you down...
Pete
Shels got 51K for the first QR of the CL last season.
Shels get 50K for the first Round of the Intertoto this season. They may well meet Hibs in the 3rd round and get a big gate from it, even an Intertoto trophy and a spot in the UEFA.
Your talking about what might happen.
Lets wait until the dust settles on this years European games until you decide how much we won or lost.
Cost of running shels increasing?
Since when are you talking about...
When we didnt win the league last season Fenlon released a heap of players after the final league game (the day after!!) and Weso followed to Livingston for a fee.
Cant see why you always think our costs are going up. Fenlon has said he wouldnt be going near the transfer market this summer.
Shels are down to a one-box game and The Banker has every incentive to screw them over - not looking good....Quote:
Originally Posted by higgins
:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Monkey Magic has captured it fairly nicely above...
Even our worst case senario seems to look ok to me.
Of course there is always the chance ollie will run off with some cash!!! ;)
It seems to me that certain rovers fans are more interested in Ollie running off as you know there is always a chance of Shels moving in with you and spoiling the party.
Lots of wishful thinking going on from some posters.
christ almighty, where to begin? :confused: has any rovers fan at any point said they are happy with this state of affairs? any gloating? any rubbing it in? no. we see the writing on the wall having been there in terms of our stadium sold and no replacement and out dealings with Mulden. we are screaming at you to wake up.Quote:
Originally Posted by higgins
if the worst case scenario is olly running away with the loot, leaving you as a club homeless and in debt to some serious sharks is 'ok with you' you are quite frankly a tosser.
do any real shels fans have anything to contribute here or is this moron representitive of the ordinary shels fan?
rtid,
i think its "ok to him" cos he firmly believes that ollie would never do such a thing to shels, personally im not so sure...
A moron and a tosser all in the one go :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Roverstillidie
if the worst case scenario is olly running away with the loot, leaving you as a club homeless and in debt to some serious sharks is 'ok with you' you are quite frankly a tosser.
I NEVER SAID THAT WAS OK WITH ME!!
I could go on to call you names but what would that achieve.
I was talking about Monkey Magics worst case senarion, ie we pocket a few million and move in with Rovers sharing Tallaght.
I dont for one second think Ollie would run off with 2 cents nevermind all the cash.
ollie is a lot of things but he is shels first and last, best of luck to shels
Looking more likely each day. According to a thread on our own forum Pats are definately staying in RichmondQuote:
Originally Posted by higgins
Staying with who ?
Bohs fans like to paint the picture that Ollie got the FAI to write Genesis and put in the bit about groundsharing :) but the reality is that the FAI want groundsharing.
If Pats stay put will they be receive further grants?
What does the FAI have in store for Pats now????
If its true Im delighted Pats are staying and would have liked Bohs to stay in Dalymount too but the FAI are not just going to forget about genesis.
Have to say there is nothing in genisis that the FAI did not want so its only fair to smell a rat.and ollie seams to be quite happy as well ,this is the first time I think he ever agreed with the fai
Is Shels moving into the RDS not a possibility? Seems the RDS is entering into a long-term agreement with Leinster and this may be an option for Shels as well.
And is there not still plans for a mini-stadium at Abbotstown? Maybe a groundshare between Dublin City and Shelbourne is a possibility out there.
Huh? Not true Higgins. Bohs fans in general, along with most other fans I know of, insist that the Genesis report was re-written to suit John Delaney's vision of Irish football once he'd installed himself as FAI CEO*. The friendship between Delaney and Ollie Byrne has I guess had some influence on Delaney's attempt to use Genesis to force Bohs into a corner with regards to the groundsharing** issue. The main (sole?) beneficiary of the proposed groundshare would be Shelbourne FC but no one I know has ever accused Ollie of pushing the issue himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by higgins
*For CEO, read self-serving lowlife sleaze bag.
** For groundsharing, read attempt to steal €42 million from Bohs with a smile.
So, Shels for Richmond then?
the very reputable sunday business postQuote:
Originally Posted by higgins
Unlikely, Tallaght needs two tenants. UCD can't move. No room for HF. Only leaves one homeless clubQuote:
Originally Posted by Galway Harps
Shelsweb is as usual almost entirely absent of debate on this crucial matter for their club.
Jumuor Cert time sureQuote:
Originally Posted by Poor Student
Yep, beacuse Shelbourne discuss everything on the web and nothing in real life :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Poor Student
Yep and you can't do both. Thats a scientific fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raheny Red
silly silly boy.Quote:
Originally Posted by higgins
so how is it that Shels had to go cap in hand to a property developer to get themselves out of a sticky situation with Mr R Commissioner? Fenlon released a heap of players but how many were senior professionals on decent wages?
O'Halleron, Kearney and Dillon dont play for free and I would be certain at least 6 of your senior players would have contracts with built in yearly increases in them as well.
Shelbourne's wage bill might not be increasing but you can be guaranteed it isnt decreasing either.
As for the groundshare, it is very obvious who stands to gain more from the Bohs-Shels idea, and when you were told about it 4 months ago, you denied it all saying Bohs stood to gain more. Seems you have been proven wrong and when great big warning signs are flashed in your face about the future of your club you try to dumb it down.
Ollie may be Shels through and through but he is also human. He spent time in jail for trying to earn a quick buck once upon a time. There is nothing to stop him earning himself a nice pension on the back of the sale of Tolka.
Thats 300K bill for tax was NOt built up in the first 2 months of the season and you know that. The question was about shels yearly budget increasing and I gave some facts surrounding why it wouldnt be going up. You have come back with nothing to suggest its going up either.Quote:
Originally Posted by bohs til i die
Is it too high ???
YES I think it is way too high but is it going up?
No I dont think its going up.
I was never saying Bohs would gain loads from the Dalymount deal!!!
Thats a lie. I was saying you were not getting as little as you thought but I was against this from day 1 and Im still against it. Ive posted here how I think its sick that the other EL clubs sit and watch while the FAI force you into a deal with Shels. I think its wrong but I dont think it was as bad as you made out. Anyway thats all in previous threads.
As for Ollie pocketing money???
Ollie owns Shelbourne FC and if he wanted to pocket money from the sale there is not one person who could stop him but rather then you all coming on here talking about it why not wait and see what happens regarding the running off with money.
My mind is at ease that Ollie would do no such thing and just because some Rovers and Bohs fans think he would means nothing.
as it happens i think its unlikely he will, but that isnt the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by higgins
you need to grow up a lot, fast, and stop arguing with other fans for the sake of it.
the fact is olly CAN sell tolka and walk away leaving you with a mountain of dept, no stadium and no bar facilities to earn a few quid. and he engineered this situation with absolutly no resistance from shels board or fans.
he lied consistantly about the deal he struck with these property speculators. does that not worry you? the press broke this deal after it was done, not olly.
you are in serious shít here, your stadium is owned by the guys that tried to rape us and it seems you wont acknowledge it simply because Rovers fans knew about it first, so in your head its some form of wind up.
there are 6 posts on shels web about this, 3 of which are correcting spelling. could you imagine corks forum if lennox sold the lease to the x to property guys on the sly?
http://forum.shelbournefc.ie/chat/viewtopic.php?t=6006
stop arguing with everyone for the sake of it and get your act together FFS
Pretty much!Quote:
Originally Posted by Roverstillidie
I have a contribtion,its the exact same as Higgins,he's using it a hell of a lot better than i could so im going to let him run with it :)