is carr not a option lads?
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is carr not a option lads?
Yeah, I'd like to see Diarmo's lineup against Holland at least.
Would Like to see him going with this, probably our strongest!
GK : Given
RB : Finnan
LB : O'Shea - Not a huge fan but harte offers nothing but dead ball so would opt for oshea
CB : Dunne
CB : O' Brien
RM : McGeady - Defo deserves the chance to show us what he can do
CM : A Reid
CM : Kavanagh, but if there was a possiblilty of Nolan this would change but that aint probably goin to happen!!!!!
LM : Duff
S : Keane
S : Doyle - but probably go with Morrison
Definitely wouldn't have A.Reid in CM. The Dutch and Germans would take him to the cleaners.Quote:
Originally Posted by murtybyrne
He was a black hole against Chile, got the ball, tried to make some fancy moves, and lost it everytimeQuote:
Originally Posted by murtybyrne
McGeady is like all the young fancy players (C.Ronaldo, Ribery, Schweinsteiger, etc). One excellent game every 3 or 4.
Dont think anyone has mentioned Stephen Ireland, I think we should give him a go alongside Stevie Reid. I think he probably has the best range of passing skills of our midfielders, ya I know hes inexperienced etc but none of the other options are greatly inspiring.
i think its worth taking a risk in the Holland game at least, if he performs well there, then he should start against the Germans.
Still think we've problems on who to play on the right though. Think Carr may not be the quickest these days, but how about him playing in front of finnan on the right?
Agree totally about Carr playing RMH with Finnan Right Full. Has always made sense to me & I'm surprised it hasn't been tried. Finnan is more solid defending & Carr is more aggressive going foward.
If you look at Stephen Ireland playing for City you can see he operates best in the last third, or rather, of all the players we could pick who can unlock a defence with a clever pass it's he. However, he depends a lot on Joey Barton covering every blade of grass for the two of them to be effective together. Steve Reid has similar attributes to Barton & thse two could well forge a partnership, but maybe not just yet.
Lawrence is an option on the right that we've yet to see.
Watching Argentina recently made me recall McGeady vs AC Milan. Wasn't it Colochini (spelling?) that McGeady ran ragged that night? Speaking of Colochini, any UCD fans remember Mark McKenna (''Stick'')? Were he and Colochini separated at birth?
.......now that Carsley has made himself available for selection, we have half a chance of firming up the weakest centre midfield we have had in over 20 years. So:
Given
Finnan
Dunne
O'Brien
O'Shea
Duff
S Reid
Carsley
J O'Brien with McGeady warming up
Keane
Doyle
I'd give Lawrence a long run against Holland to asssess what he has to offer in an international environment.
I don't know about giving Carsley the reins in centre midfield - still havent fully forgiven him for penalty v Romania, circa late 90s. Especially when we head to Croke he might be thinking its GAA time again . . .
But he's worth a spot in the squad but was this not the problem when he took an international break?
Heres my team v Germany
Super Shay
Stevie Finnan
O'Shea
Honey Monster (favourite player)
Harte
McGeady
Stephen Reid
Alan Quinn (most underrated palyer we have)
Duff
Robbie
Doyle
Bench men
Kenny
Carr
Morrison
Miller
Byrne
O'Brien
McCarthy
Delap
Kavanelli
"Jese we are short squad wise"
Must make set pieces count in this campaign.
Good luck all
Presume you mean the one vs TurkeyQuote:
Originally Posted by southbucket2001
It was hardly intentional so to hold a grudge against a player for something he did 7 years ago is a bit harsh!
He would be a good addition to the squad alright
Would mostly agree with your team but would have A O Brien instead of O Shea , A Reid instead of McGeady , Kavanagh instead of Quinn and Morrison ahead of Doyle
Why does everyone put Doyle adhead of Morrison? What has Clinton done wrong for us? For that matter why is Doyle ahread of Elliott?
Perhaps because many people think that Doyle is better than Morrison, and there is no place for sentimentality in international football.
Was about to slam you having Miller in the 11 that you think will start, but notice you have Andy Reid in your own 11. I would be amazed if anybody saw more usefulness in Miller than Andy. I agree completely that he should be palyed in the middle and have every confidence in his ability to be outstanding in that role, where as Miller belongs in Championship football at best and I might not even include himin hte squad.Quote:
Originally Posted by TerryPhelan
Wouldn't start Mcgeady though I would have no qualms about bringing him on as a sub. Also, I play a 4-3-2-1 formation with Doyle or Morrison as the 1. Robbie Keane needs to be running at players
Is A. Reid getting much (if any) playing time in the pre-season friendlies?
Roy Keane is retired and we need to get over it. There's no use in putting Carsley or O'Shea in there and hoping they'll be Keane-lite, they aren't going to be the box to box midfielder he was.
We should change our style of play to suit the midfielders we have now. I say go 4-4-1-1 Italian style formation (they like us, have loads of midfielders and full-backs, with little in the way of strikers).
--------------Given
O'Brien - O'Brien - Dunne - Finnan
McGeady - Kavanelli - S Reid - Duff
-------------Ireland--------------
-------------Keane----------
And give Robbie the nr. 9 jersey so he doesn't get any ideas in his head about being a playmaker.
I think if we play the passing game against the Dutch we can catch them out, because they have proven at the World Cup to be hoofers.
What about the German centre halves? 2 big féckers, Metzelder and Mertesacker ("7tft with inches to spare"). I don't think even Jason is over 6ft.tall. Does it change anything with how the game is approached?
stan was at the german games in the world cup , if he doesnt have a plan to deal with the german height then we are hosed. surely we will be looking to put balls in behind them or crosses that a player of lower stature can meet
Up against the 2 German centre halfs the best thing to do would probably be to play 2 pacy strikers. Morrison would just give Duffer the option of crossing it in when he'll be lucky to win a header.
dont think morrison is too bad in the air. 2 good headed goals in succesive games against cyrus and the swiss away in last campaignQuote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
He's not bad in the air but he's not exceptionally good either which you need to be against Germany.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
Anytime I see two smaller strikers against 2 larger centre halves, I'm reminded of England - Sweden from 2002, Owen and Vassell VS Mellberg and Mjallby. England spent the entire game lobbing high balls into the front 2 and wondering why the 6"4 centre half pairing were winning more possession than their 5"6 strikers. It'll be the same for us against Germany, long balls will not win the game, unless they are delivered perfectly.
I'd be amazed if we play any form of long ball game against Germany. We haven't done for years.
In terms of aerial strength young Doyle is actually very good, despite not being overly tall. He reminds me of Henrik Larsson in this sense: the timing of his jump is impeccable which makes up for the lacking inches.
:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Please tell me that was said with tongue firmly in cheek!!!:D
There's a difference between an aimless, inaccurate & generally inept passing game and a carefully thought out long ball game!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr. Ogba
Seriously though, neither Kerr nor McCarthy relied on a long ball game. Sure, under Mick we had Cascariono and Quinn and yes, late on in games there was a clear Plan B, but the general style of play hasn't been long ball for quite some time. Certainly not long, high balls anyway. We do play long balls up the touchline from full back but that's not what you're talking about.
I understand that McCarthy/Kerr always intended to play the neat, passing game but I wouldn't call passing the ball between defenders and hoofing forward hopefully "carefully thought out"!! We had our moments under McCarthy yes (most notably Holland away) but apart from that we were fairly aimless, especially under Kerr...Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
That's what I was trying to say!
i think the italians showed that the way to beat the germans is to crowd the midfield with skilled players and bring your full backs into the game
finnan is our grosso and stephen ireland could be our pirlo
Isn't Ireland more of an attacking midfielder than one like Pirlo who sits in front of the defence?Quote:
Originally Posted by brine3
pirlo gets forward a lot, it's gatusso who did most of the sitting in front of defence. when totti went off pirlo had more of a license to go forward and it was pirlo who gave the defence splitting ball to grosso for the goal
Pirlo sits in front of the back 4 and Gatusso runs all over the pitch like a maniac for the 90 minutes. Pirlo is exactly like Alonso (I think they call them playmakers?) and we don't have any of those atm. We're stuck with the basic holding midfielder. Gatusso is more of a Sissoko type if comparing with Liverpool again. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by brine3
Except Gattuso's good :pQuote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
Does anybody know when the Ireland squad is going to be announced.
Next Tuesday (8th) according to this http://www.irishfootballonline.com/n...hp?newsid=5093
I'd say Kavanagh is far more of a playmaker than a holder. It's just, as kenforee pointed out recently in the Frank Lampard thread in World Football, that he makes play from deeplying positions. Playing deep doesn't by itself make you a holder. I actually think Kavanagh is equally comfortable in deep and advanced positions.Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
Gattuso is a steam engine, he just runs over anything in his path, at least in the few games I watched of himQuote:
Originally Posted by Dr. Ogba
Agreed. At almost 33 now though I'd say his role is now primarily the holding role. I'd prefer it that way with him taking the short option and Reid being the more creative force.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Well long high balls won't, but in any game, you have to show your opponents more than one "trick" or they will be as the Swiss coach said about Kerr's Ireland..very predictable.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
4-4-2 may work as Stutt says, but a 4-3-2-1 can be just as effective against big strikers if played properly finding the wide men on the sideline, drawing the defence out, with guys like Duff and Ireland, McGeady playing wide and well capable of taking defenders on, this system could well open up the German defence.
Our game should be ground football, we played it in Stade France to good effect in a game we should have won, but lost our way after that, culminating in appalling displays in Cyprus and v The Swiss at Lansdowne with long balls up to 2 forwrds with 10 minutes left in the game.
The odd high ball into Morrison/Doyle will at least put the Germans on notice that we may use that option, and Morrison can jump.
Damn sure that Stan will go 4-5-1 against Germany, I would but then what do I know? If we play 4 in midfield we will be over-run.
If he does he should give it a full dry run against the Dutch. Whereas in a 4-4-2 I'd pick Morrisson ahead of Doyle, in a 4-5-1 I'd go with Doyle RHM and Duff LHM.