Ah right, so what your saying is the eL should just shut down ?Quote:
Originally Posted by sullanefc
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Ah right, so what your saying is the eL should just shut down ?Quote:
Originally Posted by sullanefc
I didn't say that. Explain how you jumped to that conclusion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roo69
Well you said that all clubs in the eL with good support should only be aloud play in the premier division, yeah ?
my point is that not single club in the eL has good support, and a rough average of between 3-4,000 is not good support, especially compared to other sports in the country (GAA, Celtic League)
You are right. The support is not good. The point is, some teams have the potential for their support to grow. UCD and Dublin City do not. What I am saying is that only teams with large support potential should be allowed in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roo69
It seems that the FAI are doing this anyway at the end of the season and about time. What they should do then is close the door so that these clubs can't get in again.
So even if a team is not good enough on the pitch but they have a large fan base they should be aloud to play in the premier ?
Now that's when our league would turnm into a fcuking joke !
The "on the pitch" stuff will sort itself out once the "off the field" stuff is sorted first.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roo69
It has worked in other sports.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roo69
Again i would disagree with you there, the on the field stuff does not always sort itself out. For example, and i'm not having ago at this club, But, Galway have a very nice support base, lovely little stadium and are an extremely well run club but they have'nt managed to sort the on the field stuff out, the same would go for a number of clubs.
Clubs will only truely ever more fans and support as money is pumped into there clubs, the perfect example is Drogheda United. If only more local business men were willing to take a chance like this....... Thats when we could see our league and clubs really take giant steps forward, but by not letting clubs play in the premier division because of the number of fans they have is an absolute joke, and some what illgeal i would imagine.
Drogheda is not a good example. Drogheda is doing very well, has had success, is setting the early season pace..... and can't get 2000 for a home league game. And I know United park is a dump but thats not an excuse for less than 2000 going when the club has never won a league title.
Drogheda's gates have gone up since money was invested into the club and they started winning things
Noones denying that. My point is that its still not hitting 2000 and the team is doing nothing wrong.
Roo your a Bray fan, I'm a Longford fan. Both clubs have woin 2 FAI cups. Does it make any difference to your current crowds? If my club was top we wouldn't get 2000 weekly either.
I know a neutral who was at the game, on the Connaught St. side, perfect view of the stand and he says less than 100.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maynard
DC are a fu ckin JOKE!
So you are saying that the way forward for this league is to have millionaire businessmen pump money in??? What happens when these guys dissappear?? What then?? Back to square 1? The only way this league is going to move forward is if all teams are self sustaining, and attractive to customers/fans. Having teams like UCD and Dublin City in the premier is not attractive to fans as attendances can prove.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roo69
From today's STAR:
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"Both sides are in this Division on merit and there's every chance they will be good enough on the pitch to stay there. But those detractors who would like to see the Dublin duo left out of a proposed new FAI Superleague will use last night's embarrassingly small attendance as their main argument. This did not feel like a Premier Division clash with neither side having a substantial support base to speak of. It's tough on the players and staff at both clubs."
at the end of the day, the league needs money to survive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raheny Red
How unearth are you going to attract any sponsors with a game that had the attendence of a game in the local park? :rolleyes:
If Bray were in the position of Say Drogheda, Shels, Cork or Derry were we are at the top of the table, very good players, half decent ground then yes we would be getting bigger crowds, thats a fact !Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronnie
The time we played DCFC in the 1st division to see who won the title, we brough 2000/2500 away fans to whitehall, we brough about 1000/1500 to our semi final up in drogheda last year.
UCD - DUBLIN CITY
Somewhere for Demophobics to go and watch EL
Think of the demophobics people
Its where they have there meetings:D
Well it could do no harm with millionare business pumping money into clubs, IF the money is used wisely then this is the way forward, then is they do pull out the club wont be in trouble.Quote:
Originally Posted by sullanefc
Promotion decider & cup semi, hardly averge games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roo69
I never said they were average games, the point i was making is that when we are doing well, we always get a much larger support. I was answering a question.
Roo Yes your crowd would go up, but week in week over 2000 people? Only Cork do that consistently (for Derry fans look back to the season before last). As for getting bigger crowds in the 1st, ask Sligo, 5000 to see them win 1st division title, less than half that for first home game in premier.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roo69
Your not half wrong there. Seen FAI homepage? They've headline sayin...Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
Dalymount Park pitch passed fit for eircom League tie
The eircom League, Premier Division, tie between Dublin City and Sligo Rovers
was confirmed for Dalymount Park on Monday, May 22, at 7.45 pm. after an inspection of the pitch revealed it was fit for play...
Will it ever end?
:eek: :ball: :rolleyes:
Speaking of which, all those who are in favour of replacing a club who are in the league on merit with a Kerry/Mayo team need to look closely at how the most recent example has worked so farQuote:
Originally Posted by Roo69
From the attendance thread:
Kildare - 368 (186; 298)
With an estimated home support of < 100 at their recent game vs. the league leaders. Fair play to those that do support them and keep the club going, but can anyone say they have improved the league significantly since replacing St. Francis. Imagine if St. Francis had been in the top half of the Premier and were thrown out to make way for 'The Thoroughbreds'.
Given the fact that Kildare came into the league with an established ground and a higher population centre than Kerry or Mayo what evidence is there that these new franchises would improve things.
UCD is the only club in South East Dublin - they could certainly argue they have plenty of 'potential', particularly as most other clubs are in a race to the outskirts of Dublin and they're committed to staying put.
Cork supporters can talk about fan quotas now as they're in a strong position. If Delaney's new league was due to come in during the Bishopstown era they should have been very worried. Small crowds for a relatively new franchise in a city which had proved itself incapable of supporting a football club in the long term - CCFC could have been one of the first clubs to make way for a South-West Ireland super club playing out of Tralee...
Ah but there's a crucial difference. Kildare have never been in the premier so its hard to judge. IMO if they got promoted they would get much bigger crowds.
CHF could build the San Siro on boez doomed site off the M50 and they still wouldnt attract flies.
Point is 5 senior clubs in the capital city is more than enough.
KOH
Exactly. Shels, Bohs, Pats, UCD and Dublin City is plenty. I mean, just because the city has something like a third of the population of the country, and probably the lowest ratio of football to GAA fans doesn't mean it can support more than one fifth the clubs in the league. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by NY Hoop
Almost funny. Forget populations there are simply not enough fans willing to go. Look at last nights farce.
Dont worry CHF wont be around for long.............
KOH
all we can do is wait till next year when we won't have to put up with dublin city anymore
Don't know if you'd remember but back around 2000/01 we got a nice little deal out of NTL yet the money was completed wasted on paying players crazy money and trips before games to stay down in Glen of the Downs now to me that was an utter waste of money why couldn't it have been put to better use???? I see your point re local businesses but relaistically people won't invest money for no returns especially nowadays.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roo69
100 may be stretching it. I reckon it could well have been about 50Quote:
Originally Posted by BohsFans
22 players on pitch
10 subs from both teams
2 managers
2 physios
2 assistant managers
1 ref
2 ref's assistants
1 fourth official
1 referee's assessor
1 stadium announcer
2 mascots (that might be pushing it)
1 programme sellers
1 person working the turnstyles letting in
2 fans (1 from each team, they each brought a dog but I haven't included them)
PS Actually I have a fair amount of time for UCD and I'm sure they brought some fans to game last night (probably outnumbered ICBINHF). But continuity Home Farm are a redundant franchise. The sooner Revenue wind it up the better.
Agreed. And if there aren't enough people going to games of clubs that can draw from a hinterland of hundreds of thousands of people, I really doubt that a club from some hole with 20,000 people - most of whom don't like football to begin with - are going to be able to sustain a large attendance. The problem isn't the individual clubs, it's the national fan culture and the image of the league as a whole.Quote:
Originally Posted by NY Hoop
We had at least eight that I know personally, plus some more punters in UCD branded gear, maybe fans I don't know, or maybe just relatives of players, etc. A number of the usual group were still in Cardiff.Quote:
Originally Posted by soylent green
Stansted cursing Ryanair for delaying our flight by an hour actually!Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
Pat Dolan was also there with a few people, and there were a few others knocking about in Bohs jackets. There was also a group of random scangers near us who just seemed to heckle Quigley.Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
More Bohs fans, I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poor Student
Jesus, I'm surprised they didn't open connaught st. for you - was there much of a police presence?Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
How do you know if you're paranoid? when you're at a DC match and you think there's someone behind you ....*
* courtesy Valerenga fan Baggins on our board (originally about FC Lyn)
Brilliant. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by sonofstan
Two and a half stewards. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by sonofstan
Very good. :cool:Quote:
How do you know if you're paranoid? when you're at a DC match and you think there's someone behind you ....*
Explain the joke please!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
One of them was smaller (and possibly younger) than you.Quote:
Originally Posted by dmandmythdledge
Didn't see him!! Couldn't have been worse than Drogheda I suppose.
Isn't Charlie Sheen in that:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by John83