And ya couldn't have told me that last year! :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
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And ya couldn't have told me that last year! :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
Try this site for size. All you want to know about English pyramid football from steps 3 to 5. http://www.nonleaguedaily.com/Quote:
Originally Posted by Dassa
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Don't mind him Aido. If it's non-league football you want there are plenty of clubs in and just outside Birmingham.Quote:
Originally Posted by aido_b
Tamworth - Conference (at least for the moment pending an appeal against relegation by Altrincham)
Kidderminster Harriers - Conference
Stafford Rangers - just promoted to Conference
Nuneaton Borough - Conference North
Moor Green (south Birmingham) - Conference North
Redditch United - Conference North
No need to go on any further, I presume... :)
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Can vouch for the Red Army's progress, decent atmosphere at Ashton Gate these days and really should be in the Championship next year. Also been to Bath numerous occasions on business and it really is a beautiful city, not too big either and you are never far away from the countryside in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by REVIP
Personally I love London & am surprised by how "child friendly" it is (for my kids, not me!). Sure, parts of it are crap & dangerous, and I hate the West End but there are so many interesting places and always things to do. Green space everywhere.
It's been mentioned above, but Bath is truly beautiful and is really quite small & intimate. Architecture there is stunning - the Royal Crescent is breathtaking.
Also, mentioned above is Brighton which isn't as picturesque but is a fun town with a good quality of life.
My wife was in college in Leeds and loved it.
I haven't been to most big cities in America, but I did use to live in New York City and in various cities in Florida !Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
New York feels much more integrated than London does, for example. Sure - you've got lots of little neighbourhoods all over Manhatten, for example, but they all still feel part and parcel of Manhatten and New York.
London literally grew out of lots of little towns and villages that joined-up, which is not true of the vast majority of cities in the US. Even ones where it is true, like Boston, still feel much more coherent. There really is a sense of separation between the centre of London and the areas from Zone 2/3 outwards - particularly when you live south of the Thames.
And let's face it - there's a reason why most people get out of London when they reach a certain age. It's fun for a few years when you're young, and that's it.
Definitely true but if you are planning to go to any English City for a few years when you're young(ish) then it just has to be London.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
ya thats a fair point I suppose, I was basing it mainly on chicago, boston and new york which is made up of loads of dif "cities"/areas.Quote:
There really is a sense of separation between the centre of London and the areas from Zone 2/3 outwards - particularly when you live south of the Thames.
i would say north of the thames more so, anywhere round clapham victoria all those areas are very sorta cosmo london and considered london really. but places like finchley, wood green, palmers green are relaly their own distinct areas.
btw did you use to? :D
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Originally Posted by aido_b
and the drinks arent too badly priced for such an establishment :p
if ye do end up in liverpool, do not live in Kensington no matter what
From my limited adn youthful experience ;)
You can do anything at anytime in London; there is always football, rugby, protests, parties, ralelys, aprades, festivals you can get a meal for £100 or £1the underground system is actually very good and you can meet people of all cultures.
I grew up in Guildford which is really a large town goign for city status -it has Cathedral, University etc. Good community feel but still good nightlife. Easy to get to London (45 mins and a tenner for a travelcard) or down to the south coast (45 mins the other way), you can walk from the South Downs to the center in about 15 mins and you can easily get to cofnerence football in Woking and Aldershot. also has the best Ice Hockey team ever (the Flames). Not v. multi-cultural though and otuside the center is v Conservative.
Reading is also a class place; bigger than Guildford, close enoguh to London but a ver decent town in its own right-good nightlife, sport, culture etc. deffinatley worth a look
Hull (where I am moving in Septemebr) is also excellent. Worse rep than it deserves, not a massive city but big enough to get lost in. Has sports, nightlife etc. and is also near to York and the Docks.
By the way Steve is there a city that you haven't dated a girl from? ;)
Liam,Quote:
Originally Posted by liam88
Hull topped a poll for British towns in 2003. It was covered by the BBC
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/3158298.stm ;)
Hull is surprisingly big ! When you take in the size of the city prooper (i.e. not just the city's administrative borders) it's something like the 5th biggest in England. It's the one place that's even more isolated than Newcastle though. When you're in Hull all you've got is Grimsby and the North Sea for company....!Quote:
Originally Posted by liam88
Liam - when you're as old as I am and been as single for as long as I have (I really struggled to recount when my last relationship was to someone today..:mad: ), you get to whorr yourself around a fair few parts of the country. Two years in an apparent position of influence at University also helped..... :o) I haven't dated anyone from Hull - though my best mate in England is marrying one and I'm Best Man at the wedding if that counts vicariously...?Quote:
Originally Posted by liam88
dunno if it counts as a city but for area the nicest place in the colonial backwater has to be cornwall. nice people,great cider and beautifull scenery.
Anyone know much about Sheffield? Brother might have opportunity to live there but not heard great things.
PP I'm afraid that I'm now Wolves through and through!Quote:
Originally Posted by Plastic Paddy
Err - no. It's a County. What part of that didn't ya know....? :p ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by placid casual
It's one of the very few English counties to not even contain any cities ! Oo-arrrrrrr....!
anywhere up north is class very friendly people nutters but funny , liverpool is really nice now they have done massive amounts of work to it for the city of culture 08 , it will be the best shopping city in europe by then ,plus 2 prem clubs next door to each other , and its a small enough city ive walked from one side to the other in under an hour .
Hard to know Pete.Certainly not the most asthetically pleasing city and its very much a city of contrasts. I found the 'likely to be Sheffield Utd fans' people friendly and warming. Football is a great leveller you see. I was made very welcome at Bramall Lane.On the other hand the well hidden and poorly sign posted Hillsborough end was the well to do part of town.Even the accents were different. I say poorly sign posted in reference to the home of Sheffield Wednesday. I always go on my instinct and I liked Sheffield in a funny old way.Difference in a couple of days and nights mind to a few months or years.Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
Brendan
I wonder, with Glenn Hoddle continuing in charge, whether you'll soon enough get that non-eague club to support! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by aido_b
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A county??? A COUNTY???? :mad: :mad: Cornwall is a NATION supressed by the English and intergrated into their country!!Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
Rydhsys rag Kernow lemmyn!!!
Pah! "a county" he says!!!
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The last non-English army to attack London was CornishQuote:
Originally Posted by liam88
http://www.fantompowa.net/Flame/corn...bels_1497.html
Not a lotta people know that:)
Sheffield is in South Yorkshire, and the only other city there is Rotherham. It's Leeds and Bradford in West Yorks.Quote:
Originally Posted by gonzo
I've a few mates who went to Uni in Sheffield and loved it there - but that's probably as much to do with being at Uni as at Sheffiled.
And Liam - whilst I haven't dated any Sheffield lasses, I did have the occassional fling with a Bath girl who went to Uni up there. :D Had a big old night on the town with her once in Sheffield on my way through to London from Newcastle.
See what I mean about being old and single.... :p
I'm a member of the Celtic League, and former member of 'Cornish Solidarity' - but Cornwall is still a county ! It's also a 'nation', the borders of which are identical with the county borders - but that doesn't stop it from being a county.Quote:
Originally Posted by liam88
Describing Iceland as an island, for example, doesn't question its nationhood/status ... :)
Answering Pete's question about Sheffield, it's not that nice a place at all to put it mildly. That said, if I was in my 20s and unattached I'd look forward to the opportunity of trying my luck in any decent sized English city. If the job is worth taking I wouldn't let Sheffield put me off.
Within a 20-30 minute drive of Sheffield you're in the Peak District which is really beautiful. Straight out of Peak Practice. Chatsworth House is amazing & you've got market towns like Bakewell & Matlock to visit. If your brother likes outdoor activities like walking, mountain biking or road cycling, or indeed motorbiking, there are few better places to be near. He'd have two big football clubs to watch & both with Irish interest. You're also within a drive of York & Leeds so you could do a lot worse.
Within a 40 min drive your in Derby and not far over the road Nottingham.The Peak District is one of the most amazing places. Little towns like Matlock are beautiful, Derbyshire/Yorkshire stone houses.The heart of the Derbyshire dales.I think it was Matlock I came across the Peak's cable car and I have some fantastic footage of the dales. While Sheffield itself might not be the most attractive place in the world its close proximity to some of the finest scenery I would ever wish to see. A damn good reason to go there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Brendan
Sounds like another city in the "Come to Birmingham, and visit anywhere else nearby as often as you can" category. If the only plus point in Sheffield is it's proximity to other places, then i for one wouldn't want to live there !!Quote:
Originally Posted by Harpsbear
It'd be like owning a boat or a caravan- apparently people always think they'll use them much more than they actually do in reality (for the record, I own neither and don't know anyone who does :) ) . So why live somewhere purely on the basis that a few times a year on average you might leave it to go to nice places nearby ?
Everywhere in England outside of London, the Home counties, the very south-east corner, and the bit south of Birmingham, has cracking scenery etc nearby. The West Country does, Norfolk/Suffolk does, the North West does, the North East does, Yorkshire does, the East Midlands does, the bits of the West Midlands towards Wales and Warwickshire do. So if the only good reason to live in Sheffield is scenery, feck that and live in one of the numerous decent cities that also have the scenery nearby. Such as Newcastle again..... :D :p
Christ Steve where might I start in relation to that.Perhaps the mucker has come out in you there and thats not a critisism because I like Derry ;) but my point is that having seen an awful lot of the country I wouldn't have had a particular reason I wouldn't have liked to be in Sheffield.I have however merely mentioned its proximity to pretty cool spots and yes I take your point.Norfolk/Suffolk is amazing for different reasons, the cotswolds and Shropshire has its own unique beauty as of course has North Yorkshire and my favourite the Yorkshire Dales. That wouldn't be a reflection on either Norwich, Birmingham or Leeds its just proximity to such fantastic landscapes. I wont say Sheffield was attractive, its had a history of 'dirty' industry which is possibly the reason it emerged as an urban area.Its not nor would I ever say it would be found in a list of 'places to see before you die'. And that doesn't make it a bad place.There is a spirit there and I found the people as in most of Yorkshire endearing. Not a bad reason to live in a place. You can live there and never ever wish or actually visit say Matlock. When its on your doorstep your less likely to do so. Just stay to hell out of Doncaster. Thank god I was only there for 90 mins plus in and out time!!!
Brendan
Nope... :oQuote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_st...United_Kingdom
And you're in second place! Sure you'd be running away with the thing if there were another 14 playing alongside you... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
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I assume that refers to the Rotherham bit, as Sheffield is indisputably a city in South Yorks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plastic Paddy
As for Rotherham being a city - whether ot not it is is supplementary to the Sheffield debate, but a lot of people outside of Wikipadeia seems to think they are. Including organisations you'd expect to know. Do a Google search and you'll see what I mean :
The government : http://www.telewest.co.uk/business/c...y_council.html
BT : http://web.btireland.ie/news/newsroo...iew&pressid=43
The Council is also repeatedly listed as 'Rotherham City Council' even though it's a Borough council.
Then Google search 'Doncaster City' for comparison. All you'll see, all there is a load of debate about whether Doncaster should be a city or not, and the odd travel site that lazily calls anything a city. City or not though, I'm glad that Rotherham United brought the demise of MK Dons another step closer last weekend.....
There's always next season... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Plastic Paddy
Seriously though, I'd recommend an organisation called 'The Celtic League' to anyone with an interest in pan-Celtic culture, history, politics and solidarity. It predates the rugby league by a fair few decades, and whilst they don't achieve as much as I'd personally like, it's a great organisation for fostering a sense of solidarity.
They've never been great at updating the website, but here it is anyway : http://www.manxman.co.im/cleague/
Right - back to English cities......
Was in Nottingham last weekend, quite a nice place, not the dump i was expecting... didnt see anything like the myth that its apparantly that the city has the ratio of two girls for every one fella. But udging by soem of the horrors on offer, i can see why! :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
I like Nottingham. If only for one of the oldest pubs, the Trip to Jerusalem. Supposed to be top of the league for gun crime though.Quote:
Originally Posted by PAURO 7
I work as a strategic policy bod in local government and it's my (nerdish) job to know things like local authority powers and duties, administrative and ceremonial status by area, all that kind of thing. Wikipedia has it right on this one. Rotherham is certainly not a city and, apart from the Telewest and BT Ireland (!) references you include, I've never seen Rotherham MBC referred to as anything other than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
Lots of places try the "city" trick, although Milton Keynes is the worst transgressor by far, referring to itself continually in those terms in corporate publicity.
Since it's in Brenda's gift to confer such honours in the UK, I'm sure there will be a reason soon enough to raise a few more towns to city level. And anyway, you can't polish a turd. City or not, Rotherham's still a dump. ;)
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Ha ha dont I know it! Hopefully he takes the hint and fecks off soon!Quote:
Originally Posted by Plastic Paddy
Nice alrite.Lovely city centre.They have developed it well. On the ratio of fella's to girls neither did I see this ratio. In fact I had forgotten it.Big university population and I couldn't understand the number of houses for sale, every second house seemed to be for sale. The three grounds are together almost with the Cricket Ground Trent Bridge (I think) just across the road from the ever fantastic (to me anyhow) City Ground, Home of Nottingham Forest. I read recently its the 'Burgulary Capital of Britain'. A nice title to have. Possibly linked to the fact that most houses are for sale. The residents tired of been burguled are upping and leaving.Quote:
Originally Posted by PAURO 7
Brendan
Forest approached him.Were mad keen to get him too.No not Forest Green. Nottingham Forest, I couldnt undestand it at all. Thankfully he refused and Forest were left in the capable hands of two gentlemen Frank Barlow and Ian 'Charlie' McParland. On Hoddle 'If he were an Ice-Cream he'd lick himself'. Just read that this evening sitting on the beach at Portnoo (after work) in West Donegal. For those of you who cant enjoy this fantastic weather by the sea thats just to rub it in ;) . Hoddle loved himself and Forest thankfully never got him. There's only so far you can slide until you find your feet again.Quote:
Originally Posted by aido_b
Brendan
Here's some cheap advice.....avoid Hull. It's a kip.
Picture Killybegs with double-decker busses and a strong smell of haddock.
Not so nice, eh?
PS Everyone wears tracksuits.
Rotherham is about the size of central Belfast - way bigger than Derry even, and massively bigger than Limavady !!Quote:
Originally Posted by gonzo
Limavady is just a spit on the map. If it was nearer to Derry it'd be a small suburb of the city. Though eventually it will be.... :D
Rotherham is much smaller than Belfast. It's really a satellite town to the city of Sheffield nowadays.
2001 Census Results :Quote:
Originally Posted by Gather round
Rotherham : 248,175
Belfast Urban area : 276,459
I rest my case.....
i think he means in terms of size not population.