You're clutching at straws there $Leon$. I sense the desperation in your words to defend your image at all costs. :p
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You're clutching at straws there $Leon$. I sense the desperation in your words to defend your image at all costs. :p
back to the topic... its been all over the place I'm afraid Dassa!
Basel 03 had about 6000 in the ground and I saw tickets changing hand for €1000. Roughly 11-15k travelled.
Tel Aviv we had around 4000, As aforementioned largest ever tourist influx into the country. it cost approx €800 a head to get there and amid the security (suicide bombs in tel aviv two weeks before the match) and six hour direct flight from Dublin, it was impressive. it wll be interesting to see how many brits travel there for euro 2008
Cyprus 11-15k
http://www.thepeoplesflag.com/web/pi...&image_id=1216
http://www.thepeoplesflag.com/web/pi...&image_id=1218
two ends and and a lenght of the pitch
Paris: 30000-40000 http://www.thepeoplesflag.com/web/vi...walkalone.mpeg
thanks to the lads at thepeoplesflag.com a cracking website by fans for fans.
The north bring a sizeable crowd away by all accounts. Hope this helps
Tom
Are you going, JB?Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
Not sure what my plans are yet.
Still owe you a pint for that video.
Memory like and elephant, me! ;)
That trip really pi$$ed me off with some of the clowns that were on it with tickets. We went to basle 12 months later and only had about 1200 there. We couldnt give away tickets for the gameQuote:
Originally Posted by Saint Tom
Quality Post. The most undervalued people in Irish Football are those working within the local football community. I know I say it all the time but if every self-proclaimed 'REAL' football fan in this country could give one weekend to do a coaching course and then give an hour a week of their time to youth football thereafter, this country's footballing future would be in much better shape.Quote:
Originally Posted by nedder
Thanks Karlos.
it was said above there is no football culture in this country. I beg to differ. We have huge participation levels in this country. Eircom league has its problems with attracting fans.
However i do agree with previous posters on premiership etc. The whole premiership/ skysports thing is a bit soulless for me, I can never understand peoples lives revolving around Liverpool or United. But each to their own I suppose.
( should really start a new thread on this whole topic!)
too right i'm going. booked it 5 mins after the fixture was announced!Quote:
Originally Posted by Peadar
you'll have to remind me... what video??:confused:
Actually it is personal. FACT.Quote:
Originally Posted by $Leon$
This is the word of the Hen. Amen.
Basle Mark 1 was the only game i can remember where we did not get a large percentage of "home tickets" Paris, Giants Stadium etc come to mind. Id say we will outumber home supporters at all our games bar the Germans. Guaranteed to in Cyprus and San Marino, likley to in Czexch and Slovakia wherever they play the matches and if Wales are out of contention and we can qualify expect 30-40K to travel to that one.
Really really really ****ed off with that comment. So fcukin ignorant, hate that shítQuote:
Originally Posted by TheJamaicanP.M.
As one of those that goes to all Ireland games and very few el games, one of the reasons is I consider Ireland as my team. Players play for the jersey and not for the money. THe premiership has lost it's soul and the el is not too far behind. The majority of players are only interested in who'll pay them the most and dont really give a s*** where the money comes from or care about the fans. I find it odd supporting a team and maybe one year later half the players playing against you! I'm not blaming them as it's their livelihood but dont blame me for not being a big fan. Im just as happy at an underage game and will continue to support the national team as my club side.
I do however respect the likes of the 400 club who have the interest of their team at heart, it's just the players I find hard to respect that change clubs like the weather.
That's not ignorant at all. I've been to see EL games and just don't like the product. Why should I go to watch the games if I don't like them? Like 'Forever Dreaming' Ireland is my team. I don't associate with any EL team. As pointed out by several posters on this thread, EL fans seem to think they know more than the rest of us. Get off your high horse is what I say. If some of us don't like EL football, there's nothing wrong with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by michaelguineys
Have never been at a Leinster Senior League game so you're not getting at me. However, funnily enough, it seems to have as much appeal as the EL. Come to think of it, I don't know which turns me off EL football the most: the poor football or the snobbery of its fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by RDBloomfield
Snobbery of the fans? A curious comment from one who openly states that eL football is below him.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheJamaicanP.M.
"Fascist constituency"??:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by gonzo
So being Irish supporting an Irish club means you are a fascist? Jesus wept. We never said we were better than anyone.
If we were living in a country that wasnt obsessed about everything english we would have one of the best leagues in Europe.
KOH
Spanish fans are event junkies too. e.g, Barcelona took up their full allocation of a couple of thousand tickets for their fans to go to London to see them play Chelsea, yet the same fans never bothered to go the considerably shorter distance to Zaragoza, for a league game a few days later. :confused: They'll sell out their home games against Real Madrid fine, but against Mallorca, Cadiz, or Albacete, the place will be barely half-full. Crowds have been known to be as low as 40,000 at the Nou Camp for league games, with there being more atmosphere, on the moon. This from apparantly, the most-supported football club in the world. :rolleyes: The "rebel country's" fans are only obsessed with Real Madrid. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Only2keanos
For someone who puts a UCD crest beside their username, you seem to have real difficulties understanding posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
I never said EL football is below me. I said I don't like it and prefer international football. There is a difference. On the other hand, a number of EL fans think think they're above the rest of us because they go to EL games. That's pure nonsense as far as I'm concerned.
You said that you wouldn't go to games even if it was free in. I can only assume from that that you consider eL games below you. It's a fairly natural conclusion.
Ask any (real) Manchester United or Arsenal fan what they think about Irish people spending a fortune travelling to England every weekend while ignoring their domestic league. They'll think we're idiots (though will happily take our money of course). And they're right.
The gas thing is the sheer amount of double standards prevalent in the media and among the public in general about the issue. I remember an Irish Times article not long ago criticising Manchester United for targetting China, using very aggressive marketing to ensure all the kids there became Manchester United fans and started demanding the new jersey, etc. The irony that the exact same thing happens here was quite beyond them.
As I said already, I wouldn't go to EL games even if I got in free. It has nothing to do with the cost of attending EL games. I just don't like the quality of football. That doesn't mean I'm a Mun U or Arsenal fan however. My club team is Ireland. I do follow English football to check on the progress of the Irish players but that is as far as my loyalty extends. I echo your sentiments that Irish people should go to EL games before Premiership games. However, nobody should feel obliged to attend EL games as some people on this forum seem to suggest. If people want to confine their support to the national team, well they've every right to do so, and its not because we're "looking down" on the EL.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
In fairness, I think most people (myself included) merely object to people following English clubs ahead of Irish clubs. No-one is forcing anyone to follow a particular team or league, but, as you note, they can't understand how they will follow a foreign league avidly and treat their domestic league with contempt. I missed you saying that you go only to Irish games. It's a curious stance, but I suppose doesn't cross the mark! eL fans' "superiority complex" is a natural reaction to the contempt shown them by Irish barstool fans of English teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheJamaicanP.M.
Having supported Sunderland and Shelbourne all my life I am now going to more sunderland games a season than shelbourne .. The standard of football in the eircom league is very poor and if people want to pay their hard earned cash to watch across the water much better football and atmospheres than why not .. Everyone has a right to choose and just cause some of us dont choose to watch el week in week out we should not be treated with contempt.
Sunderland, good football and an atmosphere in the stadium of light.....good one that :DQuote:
Originally Posted by zinedineontour
Some very interesting posts about the EL, standards and such. I'm involved with a club in the LSL who have 3 senior teams. These players, some who have played in the EL, all support Premiership teams. Of all those players, I only know 2 who regularly go to EL games. When we have a free weekend quite a few head off to England to watch their favourite teams. I myself occasionally bring my 8 year old to watch Shels, his choice not mine. He is football mad and plays for his local club. However now he is badgering me to bring him over to England to see a game. A lot of his mates have gone with their fathers to Premiership games, should I deprive him of this perceived treat on the grounds that it is being disloyal to the local game. The only thing that compares with the Premiership is international football and recently I have only managed to get tickets for friendlies.
Personally I think the EL has improved. The football is definitely better than say 10 years ago. Performances in Europe have improved. Unfortunately it is been blown out of the water by the Premiership.
When I was younger, along with the Town, I supported West Ham and
my Dad took me over to a good few games. I was taken in by all the hype,
merchandise, etc, and to be honest its hard not to be, one weekend in the
Staduim Of Tin with one man and his dog, the next on the packed terrace
in Upton Park.
When I was older I headed over to Parkhead aswell and the athmosphere
etc was great.
In the end I just found it all to be over hyped and got sick of it and I found
myself enjoying going to the Town games a lot more that heading over to
games in England/Scotland. Probably cos its easier to identify with the
players and also the standard because you actually get to know the
players/management etc and in some cases played underage football with
the players.
I still look out for West Ham and Celtic results but I'm more of a "follower"
than a supporter of them. Havent even bought a jersey in ages, except for
a Celtic away cos they we're selling them off in Roscommon for a tenner last
year - handy for training.
theres always the opposition to watch ! You must never have been if you think it lacks atmosphere then ..Quote:
Originally Posted by stickyjoe
Thats true. Just been really surprised this season at the stadium only been half full for most games. How come they couldnt shift more season tickets?Quote:
Originally Posted by zinedineontour
Have you? They've got 11 points all year, I've been impressed with the crowds they're getting myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by stickyjoe
season books are sold before a season starts. and the north east is the "hotbed of english football". copyright sky sportsQuote:
Originally Posted by Schumi
Doesn't mean you have to go though!Quote:
Originally Posted by stickyjoe
Nothing worse than a lapsed believer justifying or trying to justify their position :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by TheJamaicanP.M.
EL fans do not necessarily know more than the rest of you, but we got to a lot more football than the rest of you and are actual real football fans and not event junkies.
lets face it Ireland has a big event culture rather than any sort of loyal
weekly following for any team.
The GAA get 70 odd thousand into The Stadium of Greed for big games
In the league the Dubs get roughly 8 thousand at the home games every second week.If they were at home every week it would be less
Rugby Munster and Leinster are the same in the Heineken Cup
Huge crowds.For celtic league not half as much
In fairness most of the fans that go to Ireland games havent the first notion about football and if Ireland played every week theyd be lucky to get 15 thousand at the games
Those who go to English football rather than support there own league because its better quality or the atmosphere are living in Disneyland
Its the same rubbish or quality as you would see here just at a higher speed
With more numbskulls going to the games, the same fans who would say
Donkey racing was great if there was 30 thousand people at it.:eek:
Quote:
Originally Posted by CollegeTillIDie
College,
I do not attend EL games regularily ( maybe 2/3 a year) but am involved with junior football and could attend 2/3 games each weekend including playing. Given a choice i would go and watch my local junior team than local EL team. I think thats more a question of affiliation, and the standard isn't that different to EL Div 1.
I'm sure their are many who attend Ireland games like me. Its a personal choice.
Quote:
Originally Posted by hoops1
Re event junkies, you're always goinfg to have them. Every sport, every time.
Agree fully on english football. Hopping on a plane every week to watch over paid mercenaries baffles me!
Two points 1) You play, or are involved in the game at junior level , which is obviously a lot different to the sort of people that we are talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by nedder
2) At least you go to 2-3 EL games a year which is a start!
Well a lot of players in LSL and MSL and similar leagues might be Division 1 standard but they cannot be arsed to travel the length and breadth of Ireland in that League , so do not have the right attitude to be EL players whatever about their ability.
Spot on !;)Quote:
Originally Posted by hoops1
they have had great support this season averaging over 30000 ... they have the 9th best average in the premier league so it really isnt that bad at all for one of the worst sunderland sides I have gone to watch .Quote:
Originally Posted by stickyjoe
What qualifies you as "real football fans"Quote:
Originally Posted by CollegeTillIDie
Does the person who trains a schoolkids team 2 nights a week and a match at the weekend BUT doesnt either have the time or inclination to go to an EL game qualify? In fairness that takes up a hell of a lot more time and committment that just going thru the turnstiles for a clubs home games, or maybe home and away games.
Off course most managers theese days also attend management meetings and fai coaching courses as well but I doubt if that counts either.
There again were would the EL get it's plavers from if there werent "event junkies" who trainbed the kids who are the players of tomorrow.
I rest my case.
Wow, there's a coincidence. Just proves Athlone fans follow quality - local and foreign - it's in our genes. LOL:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Ash
Same here Ash. In November 1980, I went to a Hammers v Swansea Town (as they were known then) on a Saturday, flew back Sunday morning and got back in plenty of time to see Athlone play Dundalk in Mels. Like you, I have a soft spot for the Irons but prefer local first. All the terraces at the Town game were well crowded - even behind the "far" goal.
There are (were maybe) a pair of brothers who used to go to Celtic on a Saturday and be back in time for a Town game on Sunday when I was involved. Bet you know whom I'm talking about.;) :D
And they still regulary do, get a bus to Tullamore at an unearthly time ofQuote:
Originally Posted by sirhamish
the morning and head off with the Midlands branch of the C.S.C. for the
odd midweek game, back in time to train local underage club and then in
Mels for the Town game!
I love supporting my country and plan many months in advance round the matches. However i love the feeling of watching my local club, and at a club like mine with little fans and money least you know the players are there for the shirt not the money, abit like internationals.
As has been stated before, We all love the game so lets not have this real fan over not real fan etc. Why does it bother people so much. As long as people are not stopping you getting tickets etc well then what is the problem. We live in a free society were people can do what they want. If I go to every Ireland game for 10 years I dont look down on a guy who goes only to the big ones. Thats his life and he is free to live it the way he wants. The same if I go to all Bohs games I would not look down on somone who only goes to Ireland games.