It's your buddy conorh who called it a "pointless D1 game"!Quote:
Originally Posted by gufct
If you want better coverage, provide better pictures!
The First Division is less significant than the Premier Division, fact!
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It's your buddy conorh who called it a "pointless D1 game"!Quote:
Originally Posted by gufct
If you want better coverage, provide better pictures!
The First Division is less significant than the Premier Division, fact!
Not to the supporters of the clubs in it it isn't....FACT!Quote:
Originally Posted by Peadar
Find out if its the club doing it or a local. While you're at put the gantry facing the main stand.Quote:
Originally Posted by garykelly
KOH
its a local doing it for the club and found out he was just ill on saturday.Quote:
Originally Posted by NY Hoop
re: gantry
sssh,there are some who dont like sensible suggestions in these parts !! ;)
Does any one know how long TV3 has the rights to eircom weekly?
It would be great if Seanta /RTE/ or even TG4 could get the rights to it(they coundnt make the show anyworse because lets face eircom weekly on TV3 show is crap
But for now it is all we have and it has to be better than nothing I suppose (just about)
It's your buddy conorh who called it a "pointless D1 game"!
Peadar are are you too superior to notice it.
Ok, here's the deal. There was a goal scored at a First Division game on Friday. Some of the home fans are upset about it. It was showed at least twice on the highlights show produced by a national station. Now do you really expect that it deserved any more coverage or debate?Quote:
Originally Posted by Magicme
Some galway boy called me arrogant but it's fairly arrogant for them to expect greater coverage of their game, on a national TV station. It's bad enough that TG4 is disgracefully biased towards galway without eL weekly going that way as well.
You've failed to beat Harps twice in the space of 5 days, you're simply not good enough to beat them! There's nothing else to say!
Aw fair enough but they should have a bit of coverage or at least discussion on both leagues. I have stopped staying up on a Monday nite to watch it coz the only mention we will get is in the results. We played a blinder against Cobh on Sunday, scored 3 great goals against a team who were nearly in the promotion play off last year and we came second last in that season....do u not think that deserved some mention? Considering Scully was there and took loads of notes (not blaming him coz TV3 would say what would be discussed and not really blaming TV3 either coz they do a grand job) but just think that there should be a longer show with a bit more time given to the 1st Division...how else are we gonna get people to come out and believe that we have a viable team to market?Quote:
Originally Posted by Peadar
RTÉ had years of control over TV rights for football in Ireland but almost completely ignored the domestic game until they got some competition from TV3.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainee
Now you can go back to those dark days if you want but until TV3 came along, we didn't even have a regular highlights programme with discussion.
RTÉ don't deserve any second chances!
As for Setanta, they don't have a terristrial channel and therefore would deny many fans access to their coverage.
eircom league weekly isn't great but at least TV3 are trying.
Do you have cameras at your home games and do you supply pictures to TV3?Quote:
Originally Posted by Magicme
Not at the moment...hence my comment that they should "discuss" the games....not necessary to have camera there to have a minute of saying..."well mons played well there yesterday....etc"
How are they supposed to discuss the games unless they have seen them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Magicme
I would imagine that Pat Scully wasn't there at the request of TV3.
You're fighting a losing battle. Read the local papers if you want match reports.
I wasnt fighting any battle! I just commented that its a pity that they dont give a bit more time to 1st Division coz some of us care about it. I do read the papers but on Monday the only one with any coverage of our game was the Star. I have no doubt that Scully wasnt there on request of TV3 but I dont think that a comment or 2 from him on what he had seen would have gone astray!
Afaik, TV3's NL weekly show is set for the axe, as their deal with the international team expires at the end of the year. They've also lost the CL rights too, after this year's semi-final. If that's the case, Setanta should take over next year, and if so, will do a far better job, by marketing the league properly, covering games with professional cameras, free of charge to the clubs. They're the only broadcaster who actually give a toss about the LOI.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peadar
Lets be objective here! There are few LOI clubs who seem to "give a toss" about the broadcasters in Ireland.Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
Poor lighting.
Unsuitable TV gantries.
Insufficient camera mount points.
There's a lot more that the clubs could be doing to help themselves.
I do agree however, that Setanta are likely to make a decent effort, judging by what we've seen of their coverage to date.
They're also more likely to screen a longer show, at a more convenient time.
What percentage of the population has Setanta Sports though?
The points you mention, still don't prevent Setanta from making the average ground look good. They even make Belfield look good on tv. :eek: :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Peadar
Similiarly, what percentage of the population watches NL weekly on a free-to-air station at 11.30pm/6am? :confused:
It's not about how many watch it but how many are in a position to watch it. You may have noticed that Setanta didn't show games from Drogs or Portadown in the Setanta Sports Cup this year. That's because the lighting isn't good enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
...or the fact, that there were other fixtures that were considered to be of more interest to their viewers on the night. I simply don't buy excuses about lighting quality. Floodlights are floodlights are floodlights. Ftr, they did show games from Portadown last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peadar
Read the Club Licensing document.Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
None of this changes the fact that if clubs like Monaghan don't supply footage from their games, it doesn't matter who produces the show, they're unlikely to discuss games that they haven't seen.
The first division is just as important as the premier Div
The Iish media should give it more coverage. Nearly most of the times on 2fm/today fm they wont even give fixtures or results on their sports news
It would only take 30 secs on eircom weekly to even comment on the table etc
How many Cork/ Shels fans etc would still go to the games if they were in the bottom half of the first division
It is easy to support a team who sucessful
They do. It doesn't add much to just reading the table!Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainee
No it is not. FACT!Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainee
Floodlights differ, and there is a certain minimum lighting strength needed for televised games (I remember someone beiong an expert on this matter on JW's old eircom league forum)
I think Setanta would do a good job of an EL highlights show, if their Serie A highlights show is anything to go by. They give decent stats and coverage, although there is no studio chat. But id rather more coverage and goals with a voiceover than whats on offer on TV3. They also have a good Scotish weekly round-up. Only problem is not everyone in the country has Setanta.
It's easier to watch the football they play too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainee
Not always easy to watch some of the shíte in the First Division though.
I assume that's a generic show produced by the Italian league. I think Setanta would do a better job than the current TV3 version though. Maybe they could sell it on to RTE or TV3 for them to show a day later or something?Quote:
Originally Posted by padzer
It would still have to be shown at a decent time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Schumi
11.30pm and 6am are ridiculous times to show the programme.
I've gone to the trouble to look up this information from the Club Licensing Manual and post it here to show the different floodlighting requirments for the various license category's.
A License The stadium must be equipped with a Floodlighting System complying with the minimum average lux level specified in the relevant UEFA club competitions regulations. If this is not achieved UEFA may allow daylight kick off time. The FAI will issue an FAI floodlighting Certificate based on verified measurement records from FAI-approved contractors.
B License The stadium must be equipped with a Floodlighting System. The Floodlighting System must have a minimum average lux level of 500 Ev obtained from 88 readings taken on a
grid system provided by the FAI Club Licensing Department (see FAI Floodlighting Measurement Procedures). The FAI will issue an FAI Floodlighting Certificate based on verified measurement records from FAI-approved contractors.
C License The stadium must be equipped with a Floodlighting System. The floodlighting System must have a minimum average lux level of 250 Eh obtained from 88 readings taken on a grid system provided by the FAI Club Licensing Department (see FAI
Floodlighting Measurement Procedures). The FAI will issue an FAI Floodlighting Certificate based on verified measurement records from FAI-approved contractors.
Peadar you weren't at either game between Galway and Harps so once again your talkin ****e!
Two late golas,a penalty shoot out...controversial goal etc.....good man you know what you're talking about.:rolleyes:
I take it your not better than UCD then?
My god ive watched a good few Cork games this year and i wouldnt exactly call it easy on the eyes!Quote:
Originally Posted by Peadar
You seem to struggle with fact so I'll spell it out for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conor H
We drew 0-0 away to UCD. Therefore we were not good enough to beat them. We didn't do enough on the night and as a result, weren't better than UCD.
I was talking about the highlights from your division being hard to watch. Couldn't bring myself to watch an entire game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conor H
Well that's your arrogance.Rovers v Galway was a really entertaining game with good quality football.Not having a go at Longford or Sligo but by all accounts that game was full of hoofing.(just an example no disrespect intended).By saying you wouldn't watch a 1st Divison game is a bit rich.In fact there was a bigger crowd at Galway v Harps than at least 3 if not 4 premier games last weekend.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peadar
Obviously premier league is better than the 1st...but no way is the standard of football between the bottom 6 better than the top 4 of the premier IMO.
No one ever suggested it was. The reason they're in the bottom 6 and we're in the top 4 is because we're so much better, obviously!Quote:
Originally Posted by Conor H
You boys don't half state the obvious!
Peadar is the biggest poster of bait on this site - why o why do people rise to him. just laugh at him - I think his constant attempts to wind people up are hilarious. :D
here with a picture of Rico on his wall to keep him stimulated.
Moderation:
Lads, can you all settle down a bit in fairness, its a good debate .... try and contribute to it .... if you cant then just leave well alone.
by all of whose accounts ??? we were crap in longford, but i thought longford played good football in parts and we played well for a spell; all on the ground i might add. one or two long passes doesnt exactly constitute hoof ball. . Conor, when galway get promoted you wont give a crap about the first division. It's only natural that you want more coverage of the 1st division but it wouldnt be a topic if galway were in the prem. I was the same for the past six years of first division football. It's frustrating but once ye get into the prem you'll forget about the pain of playing in the first division. Yer well equipped for Prem football. I've only seen 4 games this season, but derry were the only ones who ran us ragged. There might not be much difference between top first division teams and lower prem teams, but getting out of the first division is the biggest and most notable step towards proving your good enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conor H
the first division deserves more media coverage than it does?
The football is good most of the times when the refs let the games flow (against monaghan the ref gave free for harmless fouls where he could have easily played advantage )
The is gap between the quality of the first & premier but it is as big as most of you think.
It's all very well running to the floodlight rule-book, but we all know it's a cop out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peadar
- All the league grounds have floodlights.
- 95% of the entire league's games are played at night.
- If there is a title decider involving a club playing in a ground where the lights are said to be below standard, it will still be Live on tv.
- Invariably said game will be played at night.
That's the nub of the issue.
In England, every single match outside the Premiership is covered by both terrestrial and satellite tv, and have a weekly highlights show on both networks. Non-league matches are also shown live on satellite tv. That's how it should be done, so that all levels of football are catered for.Quote:
Originally Posted by trainee
In any case, teams haven't exactly been pulling up many trees so far this season in the Premier Division. Last week featured 2 victories, Bohs lost their first 3 games 1-0, Cork have had two 0-0's already, Shels have had only 3 draws, not many goals have been scored, and games have been postponed. Hardly worth your hard earned €15, is it?
In fairness RT i did hear Longford were worse and i wasn't having a go at Sligo....just using an example to proove my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogue Trader
No, just watched my recording, they only showed it once.Quote:
Originally Posted by Schumi