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Drogs fans are hilarious! They really believe the sh!te that Doolin comes out with! Just think if they manage to win the cup again this year they will be as good as Longford, that's some achievement!:rolleyes:
It was a poor game last night but there's no doubt that we were the better team even though we never really played to anywhere near our potential.
Drogs are terrible and won't do anything of note again this season.
Even allowing for the natural conflict of opinion from opposing fans, i have to say that some of the Cork comments are a tad crazy.
Firstly, yes, you won the game 2-0. Fair play, good 3 points to pick up. But you did not create ONE chance all day. A piece of individual brilliance from Behan (good player) and a deflected own goal won the game. While we didn't exactly cut ye open or anything, Robinson, Fahey and Bradley were all on the end of good moves only to shoot slightly high, while Gavin should have at least hit the target from Fahey's corner.
Neither side caught fire at any stage, typical 2nd match of the season, cork managed to convert their half chances, drogheda didn't.
Big deal, but fact of the matter is that Kelly is a bad ref when he's neutral, even worse when he's reffing a cork match. He didn't lose us the game, but he surely helped the cork cause more than the drogheda cause.
And Doolin under pressure?? Laughable, the cup win has, rightly or wrongly, bought him at least another season to do thisngs his way. No manager unde rless pressure at the moment.
why do so many people think that most cork fans are unbelievably arrogant - see colm's post. what longford did was some achievement. in two years, their small town club won more than your club had in its first twenty years as the only club in the countries second largest city. that is some achievement, and i would be proud to matchQuote:
Originally Posted by Colm
judging by the reaction of the neutrals on this board, it would appear that there is doubt about who was the better team. the neutral responses seem to make a lot more sense than either sets of fans who have contributed to the thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colm
well if this proves to be as stupid a statement as the rest of your post, we might have another good season ahead of us :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Colm
Thats an interesting one!!we won 2-0 and didnt create ONE chance in the process!!thats some sort of minor miracle is it?You were obviously watching the game with Alan Matthews or something!Quote:
Originally Posted by DruggyDrog
Ok, daveh, point out any chances cork created??? There aren't any! Simon Webb, our left back, presented what can only be described as a half chance to Denis Behan. Only his brilliance meant that it resulted in a goal. No creating a chance from cork on that one. Then Jason Gavin was unfortunate to knock an innocuous cross into his own goal. Again, no sign of cork creating anything. Both your goals were 'created' by mistakes in our defence, the only two mistakes they made all night.
I applaud cork for managing to win the game, as you say it was 2-0, but I stand by my earlier statement, cork did not create one proper goalscoring opportunity all night (the fact that the ball ended up in our net twice does not necessarily indicate that cork created two chances).
Every back-pass to Connor should surely be considered a chance. There was loads of them.:D
Colm doesn't speak for all of us. We all not as arrogant as he is :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ColinR
So if you use that rational, Drogs did nothing. We did hit the post twice which is about 10ft closer than any of Drogs 'chances'.
The ball in from Gamble created the Own goal, and you are right Behans wasn't a chance it was pure and utter brilliance.
Heart in my mouth for every back pass alright, at least it keeps everyone on their toes!!
Drogheda didn't exactly create a whole lot either. 2 shots from edge of area, Robinsons and Faheys, all as a result of passing moves up the park. Not calling them chances, but they were all our own work and just needed more compusure with the finish. Bradleys shot on the other hand was a clear chance, great pass from Fahey, good movement and control by Barrett, fine cut back to Bradley who only had the keeper to beat from 18 yards. The fact that he wasted it does not mean it wasn't a chance.
Well we obviously differ in opinion as to what a goal scoring chance is but from my point of view anyway any goal thats scored,apart from some ridiculous own goals,has to be influenced in some way by the attacking team in the process,making it into a chance for them.I dont agree with this half-chance thing,if its a chance its a chance,obviously some are better then others but so-called half-chances are still goal-scoring oppurtunities.Quote:
Originally Posted by DruggyDrog
For instance,would you say that gambles cross for the own-goal was not a chance?whenever the ball is played into that sort of area theres always a chance IMO........now that ive explained my "chance " philosophy my honest opinion of the game last night is that city played poor in the 1st half,improved in the 2nd half and were worth a 1-0 win,happy we scored 2 though.Drogheda played well enough throughout in fairness and I wouldnt have been complaining if we went in 1-0 down at half-time,so all in all a good win against an improved drogheda side who will do well this season
Fair enough daveh, can see where you are coming from. I'd be of the opinion that anything relying on an opposition mistake is not creating a chance. It was the creating bit i was focussing on, rather than the result.
It was a good 3 points for cork. I think both sides are still a fair bit off where they'll be in 2 or 3 weeks, and I think there was enough for both teams to take plenty of positives out of.
to be honest drogheda looked more like scoring until we scored but collapsed after that.that lad fahey looks handy.connor was a liability.He fúcked up a lot.what do ye drogs fans think of him?
We made a few late on, but that was when you were down to nine men.Quote:
Originally Posted by DruggyDrog
In fairness though,
Georgie hit the post with a free kick
Benno had a header on target from a free kick (granted there was no power behind it)
The ball was flashed across the box from a corner with O'Flynn and Bennett going close
O'Connor made a save from a long range Georgie effort (and one from Behan in the second half)
Gamble shot over (should have scored)
and that's just off the top of my head
There were few clear-cut chances for either side, Drogs shaded the quality of chances in the first half IMO, but it's a bit of a stretch to say we created nothing.
Drogs finishing was dreadful and Devine was never tested.Quote:
Originally Posted by tiktok
agreed, but we're talking about chances created ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Peadar
How many points do you get for chances created? :confused: ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by tiktok
Definitly the best we have at the moment now Rogers is gone and I think that he's a decent keeper good shot stopper does need to work on taking crosses and delivering better kick outs. Definitly do not think he's a liability like cork fans would have you believe.Quote:
to be honest drogheda looked more like scoring until we scored but collapsed after that.that lad fahey looks handy.connor was a liability.He fúcked up a lot.what do ye drogs fans think of him?
Cork fans total arrogance and laughable superiority complex is only matched in this league by their players. Get over yourselves!!
Not as many as winning :D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Peadar
It was a good run out for both teams, Drogs in fairness have the chase everything attitude but that doesn't always work at times we really just went around them. They did congest midfield and closed space well and on Roy they put two men.
so to get 2 - 0 is good, I think on a wet pitch and another couple of months in it could of been a different match but it wasn't and as warm up go that was a good one.
Drogs played like it was a cup final but they always do. It's high risk but if it pays off they get a win. If it doesn't they mini implode.
So our players are as good as the CCFC fans are arrogant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rochey
High praise indeed!:D
When you're League Champions, you are superior!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rochey
I have to say, I missed all this auld banter somethin' fierce - roll on the league :D
Pete I'd say the match attendance figure of 3000 will be beaten a fair few times in the Setanta.
I don't know what Linfield v Derry attendance was last week but wasn't much more than 3k if even. Derry v Shels won't get past that by much either. You have to also consider only about 20 away fans so its 99% city support.Quote:
Originally Posted by dancinpants
How many shots on target were there in the game? I don't think any in the 1st half. Were the 2 goals on the only shots on target? So 1 for each team? ;)
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Originally Posted by dancinpants
Very poor crowd alright.
Linfield released a figure of 3800, some claim it was higher than this, but thats what was released.Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
Linfield have to come to the Brandy, as do the Glens (tonights match - I'll agree with you) - but I'd be shocked if there was less than 3000 at the next City home match versus the Glens, but the next Linfield match will pull 3000 punters no problem.
Colm, if we judged cork on lastnight, I would safely say they wouldn't be going for the league. thankfully I'm that naive ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Colm
Can anyone explain how Kelly came to be refereeing the game anyway? With the original referee falling ill just before kick-off I would have thought the senior assistant referee , Mr. Shanks , from Northern Ireland , should have taken charge , with the fourth official , Kelly , then becoming an assistant (linesman). Whats the protocol in situations like this?
The protocol is exactly as you describe.Quote:
Originally Posted by iceman
However, look, it makes no odds. He was not biased, all the langers say and I for one agree. He is just incompetent. Bradley did connect with Behan, Fahey said something and then slid in on Murphy. All he missed was Murphy sliding in on Fahey, Behan twice blocking Fahey's free kicks with his arm and Georgie boy going through Fabio with his studs and flattening Gavin Whelan, both after he flattened Robbo with his studs. Thats all he either missed or chose to ignore. So by his standards a normal night.
And befor ethe langers start shouting Fabio could have got a second yellow.
But don't anybody tell me that Bradley's little kick at Behan (where he never even broke stride) was anyway as bad as the drink driver's tackles on Fabio and Robbo,both of which could have done real damage (or Fabios on Georgie Porgie)
He could have gone before half time for persistant fouling, had 6 or 7 fouls overall, at least 2 of which were bookings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Celdrog
I didn't think he got booked at all, Doolin rightly subbed him though.
Its amazing what one set of fans will see and fail to see depending on your persuasion.
AKAIK the fourth official,who was alan kelly,takes over as ref if the original ref cant make it,not the senior assistant,ive seen it happen in english league games so i presume its the correct course of actionQuote:
Originally Posted by Celdrog
even as a drogheda fan i think that is funny....!Quote:
Originally Posted by Risteard
It's hardly the fault of each club the Irish refs are shocking, what do we expect from the FAI never really interested in the Eircom etc in any shape or form.
I think the 4th official is the senior official on the night.Quote:
Originally Posted by daveh
The assistant referee's might not neccessarily be referee's at all and the 4th official is the next in line.
There is obviuosly a set procedure where the ref in injured etc.
No way the crowd was 3,000. i'd say 2,000 maxQuote:
Originally Posted by pete
It is supposed to be decided beforehand, that in the case of the original referee being unable to do so, that either the 4th official or the senior assistant takes over. I think in this case it is pretty obvious that the 4th official should not have taken over.
I think the 4th official HAS to take over. Thems the rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by DruggyDrog
Whether a Cork ref should have been 4th official is the crux of the matter.
He did get booked, fairly early in the first half.Quote:
Originally Posted by razor
Are you sure? before or after Georgie ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Celdrog
I didn't even recognise Glen Fitzpatrick when he came on.
Looked more lke Glen Hansard than Fitzpatrick to be honest.
Its quiet regulare to have a local 4th official.Quote:
Originally Posted by paudie
All the more reason then for one of the linesmen to take over. Never mind, the ref for the return match might get sick and I might get to ref it.Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
Here's the highlights off the club site.http://www.corktrophycentre.com/high...rogs270206.zip
Gives a clear picture of Bradleys foul in the replay (2:15 in) so ye can make up yer own minds.