good one! i got a laugh out of thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Greenbod
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good one! i got a laugh out of thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Greenbod
Why was venables your choice? do you both like the smell of a dollar?Quote:
Originally Posted by Den Perry
Ok I will hold up my hands and say that I am an optimist by nature so I dont buy all stuff from the doom and gloom merchants.
However I will admit that when the news first broke about Staunton and Robson as the managerial team I was underwhelmed and a little dissappointed. Maybe I thought that O Neill was a realistic choice but that always had to be dealt with tactfully. It seems clear that Delaney wanted an Irish man in charge which I dont have a problem with to be honest and its something that Robson said was important at the press conference today. It also seems that Delaney as gone down the road that the Welsh, Dutch, German Bulgarian FA have gone down in recent times.
It also seems from reading various articles that Staunton is widely respected in the game for his leadership, organisational motivational skills and for this footballing intelligence. This is backed up by a mixed bag of people, some who I respect and some who I don't. Read John Giles, Andy Gray, Niall Quinn, Liam Brady, Tony Cascarino, Ray Houghton, Andy Townsend, John Aldridge, Ron Atkinson. There is no doubt he has the experience at playing at major tournaments just like Van Basten and Klinsman have and at top teams. Liverpool would have had a good chance of winning the European cup in 88, 89 if they were not banned from Europe. Staunton has played in 3 different positions at 3 different world cups which does show that he is versatile and adaptable but it also gives him an appreciation for various positions and a good tactical knowledge around the pitch.
Therefore taking all of the above into account I think he deserves the backing of the fans. Backing staunton and the team does neccessarily mean you are backing Delaney or the FAI. It is possible to seperate the two. I have disdain for the way the FAI have gone about things over the last 20 years and possible before that but I was too young to realise. They have done a few good things but not that much. However that does not stop me for supporting the team home and away and getting behind the players and manager.
It seems pretty clear now that Staunton is the man in charge and that Robson is his assistant in everything but name. If this is the case well then I suppose Robson is a higher calibre assistant than Hughton in relation to experience and tactical nous, and also we have to remember that Kerr and Hughton did not know each other either before they worked together for Ireland but no big hoo haa was created over that appointment. The reason for that is timing. I think if Staunton was announced as the the manager last week and today was the first we heard that he was going to have Robson as his assistant I think the reaction would have been different. But the drip feed through the media has damaged both the FAI and Staunton. However I think Staunton is a stubborn and surly character and is his own man so I dont think he will have a problem with what the media says.
I am hoping that Robson can give Staunton the kind of top level experience that both Kerr and Mc Carthy were lacking when they took the job first. I am also hoping that Staunton can bring back the passion that seemed to be lacking from the closing few months of the Kerr reign. ( I was a supporter of Kerr also)
All in all I am looking forward to the draw and the possible away trips and the big matches in Croke Park and hopefully some great competitive debuts for Doyle, Ireland, O Brien, Kelly in the next year or so.
Well said Neil.
agree fully Neil
Not sure if I'm on your ignore list from previous disagreements NeilMcD but completely agree with everything you have said here and esp the point that a vote for Staunton does not mean a vote for the FAI....roll on 27th Jan:cool:
I have not put anybody on my ignore list and to be honest I dont remember any previous disagreements. However there is new poster that is pretty damn close to getting into the ignore list :)
well i think Staunton is a hangman and I cannot respect him after what he did in Saipan...end of story. That said I am Irish and I want the team to do well , but it will just eat away at me that he and Donkey Delaney will be branded a sucess thenQuote:
Originally Posted by Tired&Emotional
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Originally Posted by NeilMcD
Good to know. I hear ya loud & clear......:D
Are you that filled by hatred that you would not enjoy the sucess of the Irish team, over your personal dislike for Stauntons reactions in Saipan. To be honest I would say that Keane has probably got over Saipan at this stage so some other people should follow suit.
I wouldn't let it give me a nervous breakdown mate....move on & look in front of you not over your shoulder.....that argument is more than tiresome at this stageQuote:
Originally Posted by Den Perry
ok sorry guys, Please don't put me on the ignore list. I need all the friends I can get......
You won't be going on my ignore list....I find some of your posts quite amusing.:D Keep it up!Quote:
Originally Posted by Den Perry
However, I think most of your views seem to be colored by the whole Saipan debacle....this is a near obsession and in my view you are unable to be objective as a result. You need to let it go.;)
Moot point:I'd say Staunton would be odds on to have been in Croker considering he was destined for an intercounty career before the soccer took over.
A lot of the vitriol here is aimed more at the FAI rather than Staunton I'd say. It's a tough appointment to try and interpret to be honest. I can understand both sides of the "for and against". Can't say I was too happy with it myself. I don't like or dislike Steve Staunton. We don't know who the candidates for the job were so we can't say if he was the most suitable or not.
Louth in Croker:eek: :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingdom
Cheers....I think my animosity toward the man stems from the fact that I once had a girlfriend (during the 1990 World Cup) and while we were getting down to it in my room, she called out "Stephen", I had a poster on my wall of Stan and the only conclusion I can come to is that the two of them were carrying on behind my backQuote:
Originally Posted by Greenbod
Well u must be an ugly fcker if she went for him over you ha ha !!!!!!
:D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Den Perry
Yourself and Stan must have similar technique!!
He's a ginger.Quote:
Originally Posted by nedder
I think you'll find that McCarthy was the more persistent tackler from behind in that WC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Den Perry
Ever hear of the phrase: Triple-Header?Quote:
Originally Posted by colster
Actually Louth played in Croke Park in the Hurling last year and got beaten by London. This was in the Nicky Rackard Cup I think.
Triple Header. I think you should talk to Den about his with Himself, His Bird and Stan during WC 1990. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Kingdom
you once had a girlfriend? its been a long time since you got down to it then -that could explain all your frustration ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Den Perry
Only once? And in 1990. No wonder you've so much pent up frustration & anger.Quote:
Originally Posted by Den Perry
Your all entitled to your opinions on the new manager but you should never lose sight of the fact that there is only one man who can give the Irish fan's thumbs up or down to this appointment.
So what are Alan Hunter's thoughts on all this?!!!:D ;) :)
Oi!!! we will have less of that:p !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by colster
Ill let you know that Staunton DID play for louth in Croke park at underage level.
Go on Stan do us proud :)
I suppose there was no message of support from Roy Keane read out at the press conference?
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Originally Posted by geysir
...from who???!!:p
Yeah I dont think Roy Keane and Bobby Robson get on.
Something about an argument over the last prawn sandwich at Michael Kennedy's Christmas party:p :eek:
Don't you think it would be a wonderful gesture from Roy to the new manager wishing him well in his new role and if he is ever stuck for for a CM... :)
:D :D Great response!Quote:
Originally Posted by Den Perry
Just when it was all startin' to sink in, and I was beginning to relucatantly accept it (I was warming to the idea of the 4 of them going to different games at the weekend, Stan saying he's open to Trundle and the eircom league, etc.), I watched the press conference...
...couldn't string a sentence together between the two of them :mad:
kinda the way I felt on hearing the press conferance on the radio when I got home....was like a bad priest saying mass. Staunton comes accross very badly as a public speaker...
I agree with you and I made reference to his boring monotone on a previous thread. He doesn't have any BUZZ about him. He doesn't inspire and has no tactical experience. In the end he brings nothing to the table.Quote:
Originally Posted by klein4
Ultimately I feel he will fail to motivate the players and the Irish public. The press conference today was dismal and depressing. Unless Staunton gets off to an immediate winning start they will get worse. The media enjoy a bit of banter. Staunton doesn't have it. The media will soon lose patience and kill the poor sod off.
Handy money though. Even if he fails, it will not be the worst thing that happened to him.
Not sure how you can make the leap from "not the best public speaker in the world" to "failure at international mgt" but anyway....Quote:
Originally Posted by SunnySweeney
Think Stan was (understandably) a bit nervous but after the press conf. he was cracking jokes with some of the media during one-on-one interviews - the lad is well capable of handling himself!
As for the boring monotones etc....try a comedy club for comedy - I'm looking forward to a successful mgt and good results:D
Was anyone else bored to tears listening to him?
I hope the plan is to have Bobby in our dressing room, giving the team talk and Stan in the opposition dressing room, putting them to sleep.
The sooner the football begins, the better because this is depressing stuff.
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Originally Posted by Peadar
Agree with you on that one!
I did actually :oQuote:
Originally Posted by Den Perry
He was my choice because (a) He had managerial experience and some success; (b) He's an ex-Irish international; (c) He would bring passion to the job and (d) I don't think there would be the same negatively surrounding the appointment. I just don't see what Staunton possesses that he doesn't and he should have been interviewed by the FAI out of courtesy even if Delaney had made his mind up.
On a positive note: Appointment of Charlton not widely applauded and he was a success; appointment of Kerr widely applauded and he failed. Staunton not widely applauded and he will be a............
Saipan - don't mention the war!