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What playing muck in their poorest season for years?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fortuna1886
They could compete alright but they wouldnt win out in the end,no point blamin it on being part-time cos if ye wanted to improve in europe and in a general sense ye would be fulltime alreadyQuote:
Originally Posted by Fortuna1886
Linfield were always the biggest club along with rovers both north and south so they had more of an oppurtunity to go professional than most other clubs, but they didnt,why?
Speaking of matching Portadown... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
Too many ifs and buts int his thread, I'm just going to say that if Kilkenny City had a team compromised of the Worlds best XI, a load of support, and neverending resources, then maybe one day they could challenge for the league title.
I think Linfield surprised most people in last years Setanta Cup final & they were worthy winners. However i think too much moaning by some IL sides in the Setanta Cup moaning about big fulltime eL sides when Longford were just as part-time as the IL sides.
It's a bit of a ridiculous thread to be honest. There is no way of knowing.
Linfield won the Setanta Cup anyway so Eircom League clubs can't really be gloating. The EL is hardly the Premiership or Serie A anyway.
Clubs who aren't in the Setanta Cup and never have been have no grounds to gloat about anything anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThatGuy
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Originally Posted by royalblue
Shels are history.
it gives me no pleasure saying this, but i think shels will win the league next year. hope i'm wrong, but they were the strongest team for the last half of the season, and they've a stronger squad than either of the cities. even if Jayo goes, crowe and o'neill will come good for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dricky
they might have had a great run at the end of the season but so did city last season and we got to within 3 points of them that year,there was a lot more pressure on city and derry compared to shels aswell
I honestly think some people on this forum are radio rental. To say Northern Teams are pub teams is the biggest joke ever. How many trophies have cork, shels, bohs, rovers and derry won in their history. Take a look at Linfield and Glentorans trophy collection!
As for the reason Linfield are not a professional setup just ask the IFA. In the early eighties Linfield had a discussion with the IFA about fulltime football and the IFA told them that they would kill local football if they went fulltime.
Thats why for many years our local papers would print stories on Linfield maybe applying to join the Scotish League/ English League. But that was never going to happen.
Also Linfield just cant decide to go professional, they need the rest of the league or atleast a few of the other clubs to bridge the already big gap in finances and stadia. For a team to improve and for the league to improve you need to have a competitive league both football wise and financially. Even Chelsea are proving this, they are leaving the rest behind.
Sure the goverment has promised the league a first payment of 8 million to improve stadia and meet some debts. We still are waiting for that money, will it ever come to all who need it, who knows. We need to get the IFA's backing first and then we can begin to look at all the options, we also need to bring local buisnesses on board for financial backing.
I mean some of our players up north are getting buttons. A lot of our top players actually get more money in their place of work than they would at their club. Certain teams just couldnt pay good wages, so why would you want to go fulltime as a player and actually earn less money. I know I wouldnt give up my career for a lesser paid one unless I had no option. Or I knew that it would benefit me more in the long run.
We would need certain communties to back their local team or teams (and thats also a problem to many teams). Money would also have to come from TV and advertising. Our product is badly sold here.
The other problem up here is the lack of good stadia for familys to attend, if we can improve on these things then the crowds will come back.
I mean your crowds are not massive, thats forsure!!!
The North has always had bigger crowds than our southern counterparts, only in recent years has our crowds fallen away. And yours are not exactly growing are they.
But then you will get all the corkers saying "royalblue;we have big crowds" And ill answer "thats because cork city is miles away from any other form of human life."
Remember the future is bright, the future is Linfield!!!
Jesus Christ RB that's what most of the eL fans have been saying here. Outside the top 2 or 3 in the iL there is fcúk all else happening!!Quote:
royalblue wrote;
honestly think some people on this forum are radio rental. To say Northern Teams are pub teams is the biggest joke ever. How many trophies have cork, shels, bohs, rovers and derry won in their history. Take a look at Linfield and Glentorans trophy collection!
The more he says, the more he proves us right. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Raheny Red
Keep it up blue boy, we're all agreeing with you.
Yep its just like the scot's 2 teams every year (except maybe this one)
Course your gonna win more trophey's when the rest of your league is crap
Even a poor longford side did ok against your two strongest teams and i say ok cause your crap and so are they, yes you beat us in the final, fair play your deserved it, thats a one off, can't see you beat any of the irish side in the final this year thats if you even get to the final, i see an all eorcom league final two of three teams shels, cork or derry
We proved how poor you league is by trashing Glentoran in the champions league and had it been linfield the result wouldn't have changed, go watch some Eircom league and you'll soon realise what i'm talking about,i know its not the Serie A but its a hell of a lot better than the irish league up north, which is rank
i look forward to beatin whoever we get in today's draw, with or without Byrne
So you can shoot fish in a barrel ... fair play !!Quote:
Originally Posted by royalblue
You guys are hilarious!! Shooting fish in a barrel, just great, only we have been winning tournament after tournament since we where formed when you lot where included. Look at our record against southern teams, nearly impeccable and thats from the beginning. Which club in history is going to be remembered as Irelands greatest club north and south; why of course Linfield. Lets face it you have a had a few great years, but lets compare trophy cabinets!!! We have the premier heritage not you lot. And the scary thing is we are going to get better and better. We are Irelands most hated team and thats because we are the most sucessful team arround. History will remember and honour Linfield for being the greatest.
:cool:
Listen mate, you might be hated round your way but most of the population of Ireland don't even know who you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by royalblue
If you stopped 100 people on the street in Dublin and asked them who were the most successful team in NI, they'd say "Derry?"
You're history, just like Rovers.
Big fish, little pond.
Mod edit : I have deleted that ..... anymore and you are out on your ear.Quote:
Originally Posted by royalblue
And anyone else that is even thinking about it .... you know what will happen. Think !!
I now live in England, and while most people know of Shamrock Rovers and the Shels, EVERYONE I talk to about Irish Football knows of Linfield. And the unfortunate association with violent loyalism seems to be the only reason. It truely saddens me, but its true in my experience
Mod : Dont start mentioning 'your experience' and not back it up.
For the record, i dont want you to back it up, on egg shells now fella. Sort it out ... you have seven posts.
Ok this topic is beginning to fizzle out. Well the Setants Sports Cup (thats gonna
be the new name) is being made now. Come Feb lets see if RB adn the rest still got the same attitude!!
Ye i'm searchin every site to find out who we have
Royalblues point is merely that our teams are not technically more gifted as theres.The fact that Linfield won the Setanta cup this year would support this in my veiw.
In 2 CL games we totally outclassed the Glens!!
Who obviously where at the time the league champions ahead of linfield
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Royalblues point is merely that our teams are not technically more gifted as theres.The fact that Linfield won the Setanta cup this year would support this in my veiw.
Thanks mate you seem to be only one of about 4 who have actually understood my point. I guess the rest must see through rose tinted glasses. The whole topic was on technical ability. Some guy slates Linfield and Northern teams and says we are not technically as good.
I was saying if you compared southern born players to Northern born players generally they are all on the same level technically. So to say Southern teams are techically better than Linfield is crap. Yeah there are always some who are better than the norm (wayne rooney) these players are just naturally gifted. But to say that a team/teams is technically better than another, then they need to have technically better players. But i dont see it generally in your teams. As I said you have some great players who would grace our league, but we also have great players who would grace your league. But not all eircom teams have these technically better players. They are few and far between. Fitness is the difference, it can improve your awareness as your brain gets more oxygen, you are sharper as a player, but you are not technically better than you where. Just more alert and fitter.
Indeed, even Longford would have beaten Glentoran on away goals last year if their setanta group matches were taken together, and their first game of the season was in the oval.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raheny Red
Anyone who thinks in the champions league matches the only difference was fitness is badly, badly deluding themselves. And Shels were sh*t at the time and around the Setanta cup final too. Lost to relegated Rovers the next game in Tolka as I recall, doesn't prove anything.
RB, with respect you are on a hiding to nothing.
to say all players and sides are technically the same is bonkers. Rovers v Barca? Norn Iron v Brazil? Come on out of that.
The Setanta win for Linfiled was a fine result because they werent expected to do so. I suspect they got a disimproving shels side at just the right time, and fair play, they took their chance. The real benchmark was the spanking they gave glens in the CL.
As for your trophies, all it means is for 130 years 2 clubs have dominiated, and the EL is far, far more competitive, where top can get done by bottom, and any one of 3 or 4 sides could win it every year. How you see that as a sign of weakness is beyond me.
Unless you are on some form of wind up?
Did you actually read what i typed. I never said all teams are technically the same. I said Northern Irish Players and Southern Irish Players are technically the same. I also said there are exceptional players in Nothern and Southern teams. The only advantage your top clubs have over us at Linfield is fitness. And the EL has only become competitive in recent years. Only in the last 10 years has your league went from being substandard to a good league. And our league has dropped from a good league in the last 10 years to substandard now. Trust me 10 years ago we would have hammered every team down south with the team we had. And your league is no premiership, i have watched your matches with a handful being okay. The rest is pump it as high as you can football.
A very valid point, Ucd should get him as cover for robbie martin:pQuote:
Originally Posted by A face
RB, that is where i disagree, i am not saying there is something in the water down here and all southern players are better as a result, i am saying fitness aside, just techical ability, eL team seem to have the underhand, and i base this on what i see in players playing in competitive football. Maybe there is more money floating about down here and i can only speak for Cork City here, there have been big changes in coaching and amount of staff here, so that is bound to effect it.Quote:
Originally Posted by royalblue
No its not .... it has been competitive for years before that, just not very good at it :pQuote:
And the EL has only become competitive in recent years.
I'd agree, in the last few years our league has come on leaps and bounds, where as any news we get barr fixtures/results from yours are club houses burning down and managers leaving. But the point i am making .... where ever it is at now, i think the eL teams are on a high level than IF teamsQuote:
Only in the last 10 years has your league went from being sub-standard to a good league. And our league has dropped from a good league in the last 10 years to sub-standard now.
10 years ago, we would not have stood there looking at ye knockin' balls into the net .... no more than ye will stand there looking at us doing this year :p but the point is, there is alot less long ball stuff down here, and that is a banker. You lot might do well kickin' lumps out of us this year ... but that doesn't make you a better team, given a level playing field, match fitness wise, at the moment we'd hang ye out to dry. You have the upper hand now in that we wont be match fit, but you'll need to take all the advantages you get and we understand that !!Quote:
Trust me 10 years ago we would have hammered every team down south with the team we had. And your league is no premiership, i have watched your matches with a handful being okay. The rest is pump it as high as you can football.
A mate of mine was sitting in a bar in Spain watching the Shels v Glentoran game. Got talkin to this guy from the north who turned out to be a Glentoran player, Glendennin I think, sorry about spelling. Anyway said he wasn't bothered giving up his holiday to play in Setanta Cup. Surprising really considering the money involved for clubs.
Jaysus did Roy Coyle not bother telling him that it was the Champions League!!Quote:
drummerboy wrote:
Anyway said he wasn't bothered giving up his holiday to play in Setanta Cup.
The players are part time and if hes spent alot of money on a holiday then why loose the money. The clubs up here were very unlikely to give him the money hed spent back so cant blame PT footballer for that. Surely with the players who have left both the IL and EL both doing very well across the water this is a sign that technically both league are strong enough.
Doyle -Cork- Reading-ROI
Elliot- Glentoran-Motherwell-Hull- NI
He knew the dates for the CL literally years in advance, they don't change, he knew it when he booked his holiday too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dassa
Don't think a part time player would get away with that down here, and I'd say it's a while since teams went in with no training (which is what Glens appeared to do).
Have to admit that the Glens preparations for those matches was a disgrace and dont know what Roy was thinking. A manager with his experience should know better and Glentoran brought no glory upon our league with their second round performance. Heres hoping lessons can be learnt from that disaster for NI teams in the future.
Most players of the EL only went on holidays and id rather play in a CL game than go on holiday!
Enjoy your holidays this summer mate. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dazzy
How is Lithuainia in the summer? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Peadar
Back to the debate at hand i think that as well as being fitter eircom league teams are better organised which in a way could be seen as better technically. there are tons of goals in the il and the defending can be absolutely shambolic from what i see on bbc. however for el fans to be looking down their noses at any other league is a bit rich. i am an el fan tru and tru but whenever i try and watch a game on telly at home or when i am at college i have to watch it my own room cos noone else in the house will sit through it. the fai cup final was one of the poorest games i have seen in a long time there must have been about 100 throw ins and there was not a whole load of skill on show. overall i think the el is marginally better and i think royal blue might be winding you up a little going on about linfield so much ,what they ever do in europe?
I think its a fairly poor excuse to say Linfield not gone fulltime as would kill competition in the league. Shels went fulltime in the eL & other teams have followed. Shels & maybe Drogs are probably the only fully fulltime clubs as other have part-timers too.
Sure if it ever gets too easy for Linfield ye could always apply to join the eL. Might have to start in the 1st division but sure that will get you used to the higher standard.
:)
Sure what did linfield do in europe! Let me think well a part from a few european cup quarter finals, not much hee!hee!. And that was when it was a really hard competition, not like now. The teams that Linfield played in those days would walk all over your teams today, like the great Liverpool team and the Manchester City team. It was a lot harder competition when it was straight knockout. Yes times change and that was the past, and who knows what future brings. But are heritage is coated in Platinum and Gold. We have had legendary teams at Linfield with Legendary players like the great Jackie Milburn, who Alan Shearer is trying to break his goal scoring record. You have been doing well in europe and i hope you keep it up. As for Linfield going fulltime, it was all down to the IFA at the time, whatever else you might think. The IFA are a bunch of old gits who wont change. As for Linfield joining your league, no chance Keep dreaming. But lets say they did join the eircom, it would be the best thing that ever happened to your league. Right away the attendances at each ground would go up when Linfield played, as Linfield have the largest travelling support around. And also the fact that every team would want to knock The Great Linfield of the top spot of the eircom league year after year after year:)