in fairness, from uefa's point of view that makes sense, ur hardly suggesting they should lower the standard of compettion so irish teams would have a better chance...
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in fairness, from uefa's point of view that makes sense, ur hardly suggesting they should lower the standard of compettion so irish teams would have a better chance...
I think most people will agree with what he said, its painfully obvious and to suggest otherwise would be moronic. Hopefully this year with nothing to lose/gain so to speak, we'll utilise our preferred 4-4-2.Quote:
Originally Posted by hoopy
We're dropping 0.666 next year. So anything over that will bring our coefficient up. It'll depend on what other countries get as well, obviously, but if the results are the exact same as last year, we'd move up to 37th. We'd then have our two worst years in ages to drop - 0.166 and 0.333 with a very good chance of solidifying our first round seeded status for many years to come and work towards the next stage, which would be a bye to round 2. That's optimistic, obviously, but that's where we stand.Quote:
Originally Posted by monkey magic
City & Shels are clearly the best equiped to perform in Europe due to their experience of recent years. Derry & Drogs qualified for their Uefa spots but i feel Inter Toto is best route to give new teams experience.
I believe now that every team in Europe is expected to progress to the 2nd qualifying round. I don't care for excuses or moral victories. The eL expects the 2nd round & anything less is failure.
I am not optimistic about Derry & especially Drogs performances.
Every a relatively poor set of results such as :
Derry - 1 win, 1 loss
Drogs - 1 win, 1 loss
City - 1 win 1 draw 2 loses.
Shels don't matter as no ranking points.
would mean 1.166 ranking points.
I haven't check the seedings fully but i believe Cork City could get Ekranes & Djungardens in CL round 1 & 2 next season.
Wouldn't be too optimistic about that at all. Still feel that CCFC are by far the most equipped to progress in Europe with the way they play football regardless of oppositionQuote:
Hopefully this year with nothing to lose/gain so to speak, we'll utilise our preferred 4-4-2.
Yes your right..ccfc are well equiped and we all expect them to progress a round or 2 nowadays which is great to hear:D I do think Shels can get threw 2 rounds of inter toto cup.. I have to say..I think Derry are a good enough side to get through 1 round at least.. but not Drogheda:eek:
Overall.. I think the el clubs will do well in next years European competition:D
I wouldn't write-off the Drogs at all. A lot of the players have a fair amount of European experience, money is being spent, and that number of experienced players will only expand over the close season. They are in the top four teams in the league (tempted to say island, but never mind for now). The one thing that they don't have going for them is their manager's inexperience in managing in Europe, but that might change yet;)
Who? Gartland, Webb, Lynch, Riistila (?) They don't have much experience at all really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebeard
Yeah, on very average players like Damien Lynch, Mark Rooney, Glen Fitzpatrick... Doolin's record in the transfer market is woeful, and I wouldn't expect that to change over the winter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebeard
I would doubt they are one of the top four teams on the island when you consider Linfield won the Setanta. The fact remains they were 26 points off the top - and 19 off third - and even fourth was only secured with a late run of form. They're no better than Longford over the last couple of years. Except Longford do have European experience...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebeard
im glad someone is not writing off the drogs. we have plenty of players with european experience. not at our club obviously but at others at players that layed at a decent level abroad.
the drogheda team you all predicted would be walked all over by cork on sunday didnt show up and i expect the same to happen in europe. doolin will have money to spend and i think that the idea that he is no good in the transfer market is unfair
lynch
webb
gartland
whelan
bradley
sami ristela
all good signings and could all do a job in europe
add hunt and jason byrne and we might do alright. thats the rumour anyway!!
i'd say shels will do well and with the rest its the luck of the draw.
the setanta will be the most interesting competition coz one of the irish teams will win it this year.
feel our league is stronger this year. european spots to four best teams at least so anything can happen
cop on stu with your "i hate doolin" propaganda
anyone can see through your sh**e
bad experiences more like......Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
.....sorry couldn't resist the temptation:o
His record at UCD was singularly appalling. Richie Purdy, Barry Andrews, Greg O'Dowd, Austin O'Neill, Mark Rooney, Niall Donnelly, etc. At Drogheda, he's signed the likes of Mark Rooney, Niall Donnelly, Pat Sullivan (E24k to sit on the bench?) ando thers while selling the likes of Andy Myler.Quote:
Originally Posted by diamond
Wha a superb argument. I commend your lucidity of thought.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by diamond
If he's a great manager, why did Drogs - with an expensively put together, full-time team - finish so far off the top? Why did they fail to build on last season? Why was there much talk during the season on the Drogs board as to whether Doolin was up to the job? Why are there so many people in the eL in general who are unconvinced by him? Why did he take a UCD team who had started the previous season in Europe and get them relegated two years later for the first time in thirteen years?
3 victories and a draw would be very good work. It would mean 1.666 and Iwould have to say hats off to Drogs and Derry if they can pull it off.
Cork are in a good position IMHO. They learnt a lot from the slavia away game. A slight bit more cautious would probably get a decent result away from home.
Shelbourne did look like they were a bit mentally fragile compare to Cork and our policy was to boot it long instead of taking it down and playing. The pressure is off Shels now and we could well get past the 3 qualifying rounds.
2006 season will be very intresting.
Gartland played for Longford in europe. Likewise Webb and Lynch for boez. Ristilla is a full international and has European experience with FC Haka.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
I wouldn't class Rooney or Fitzpatrick as average. Rooney is one for the future with great potential and Glen has 4 goals in europe as well as a league medal.
Fact is Drogheda under Doolin have just won the Cup so its wrong to say they havent built on last season.
I thought you got relegated under Pete Mahon? To be fair your hatred of Doolin, for whatever reason, is clouding your judgment.
KOH
The same way you got relegated under Alan O'Neill.Quote:
Originally Posted by NY Hoop
We got relegated under Branvard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Schumi
Did Mahon come in at the very end of the season as well?
KOH
Can't remember the precise stats but we were at least 10 points adrift when he came in after 20 games or so and went down by only two points in the end, picking up about 10 points more in the last 16 games than in the first 20. I think that points haul extended to the whole season would have had us 4th or so.Quote:
Originally Posted by NY Hoop
I wouldn't bank on it his abysmal display in europe cost him his job at bohs rememberQuote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
Have you been at the magic mushrooms againQuote:
Originally Posted by diamond
Kevin Hunt was born to play for Bohs and will Die A Bohs man
Get fcuking real
Very naive. Players dont care (Derek Tracey excepted of course).Quote:
Originally Posted by Block G Raptor
KOH
Not naive at all I know kevin well and he as a respect for the club which is rooted in the fact that they plucked him from obscurity and basically saved his career. He has personal reasons for his love of the club too (but this is not the time or the place to discuss them) from speaking to him I KNOW he has absolutely no interest is signing for any other club FACT!Quote:
Originally Posted by NY Hoop
Obviously there can be no complaints about our representatives this year. Cork, Derry, Drogheda and Shels all deserve it.
As for further progress, I can see Cork and Derry doing quite well, I don't think they will brake any new boundaries though as the team isn't any better that any of the previous champions this decade (not that it is an insult at all).
I think with the expanded Intertoto next year Shelbourne could actually win it (ie be one of the many winners) and get into the UEFA Cup considering that they have (in my opinion) the best squad in the league.
I agree - and mentioned all those.Quote:
Originally Posted by NY Hoop
Rooney is muck. He's had potential for the last three seasons but has scored about five league goals in that time - about 60/70 games. Appalling return for a striker. He's about 22/23 at this stage, so if he has potential, he'd want to start showing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYHoop
Fitzpatrick did well-ish at Rovers, but is another average player. One of the worst scoring records for a UCD forward (which is saying a lot) and the general consensus with Shels fans seems to be they're not fussed to be losing him. Didn't do anything for them except score v Lille and never really impressed when I saw him.
Any team can win the Cup. We have. Longford have. Even Rovers have! The league is the big test and Drogheda, after challenging for a while last year, splashed the cash and were nowhere this year. That's moving backwards, in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYHoop
Schumi's right on the UCD relegation season. From when Doolin was sacked and Mahon appointed (20 games in) to the end of the season, UCD were fourth in the form table. Just was left with far too much to do. There's no doubt as to who relegated us.
I must correct myself above though - Drogs paid E15k for Sully, not E24k.
For the league, I'd love to see Drogheda doing well in Europe. Ideally, it would be without Doolin who, as you pointed out, I have no time for as he's a complete waste of space. I'm just trying to put a bit of realism into the debate. I think Drogs are by a good distance the least equipped to cope in Europe and are more likely to do a Longford than a Cork next season.
Ah why didnt you say so?! You never said you knew him and that he told you he would never leave:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Block G Raptor
KOH
I think Cork will do well, but only if they strengthen their squad a bit. They really missed O'Donovan and Murphy on Sunday . I'm sure Damo has his eye on a few players though anyhow. With luck they could make it to the final CL qualifying round and thus the uefa cup.
Derry are organised and again will strengthen their squad, however Stephen Kennys teams haven't got the greatest of records in Europe. Can only see them getting through one round.
Drogheda will be hoping for a decent draw, if they get it they should get through at least a round, cant see them going much further.
Shels will have fitness and european experience on their side in the Intertoto. They may well progress to uefa cup, but only if Fenlon respects the opposition less and plays a more attacking formation.
Was he in charge when Longford played Lovech? Wasn't a bad performance. Led for 75 minutes at home before drawing 1-1, and were level until injury time in Bulgaria.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tenderloins
Doolin won everything many times over as a player and having seen him play never understood how he didnt make it in england. Anyway like I said you're letting your hatred cloud your judgment.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
The fact that Drogheda are full time will benefit them more than Longford. But the most important part of competing in europe is your form at that time.
KOH
Apologies - I meant the squad in general didn't have much experience. I was listing the few exceptions.Quote:
Originally Posted by NY Hoop
He was a great player. He did well for us as a player. But as a manager, he was appalling. We were even forfeiting U-21 games because he couldn't be bothered with it. His rant against Mahon was disgraceful and hugely erroneous. His style of football was largely poor and seems to be one of the criticisms levelled at Drogheda this season by a few others. Trust me, I'm not letting my hatred cloud my judgement!:)Quote:
Originally Posted by NY Hoop
Will it? It barely benefitted them in the league this year when they finished three points ahead of Longford.Quote:
Originally Posted by NY Hoop
That's true alright. Which makes this a bit of a nonsense thread really. Perfect for pre-season! Only 13½ weeks to go...:(Quote:
Originally Posted by NY Hoop
Why, who was it beat you when last you were holders?! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by NY Hoop
The team that eamon dummy said would win the cup that season! That was a cold night standing outside.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
With every respect to UCD I think if Doolin does well at Drogheda his time at belfield will be forgotten.
Regarding being full time I meant in the context of playing in europe. But then again the gypos went out to a team that had trained for only a week so its form really..........
KOH
And us in the First Division!:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by NY Hoop
Most people still think he did well at Belfield...Quote:
Originally Posted by NY Hoop
Anyone think we could have 4 teams in the first round properof the UEFA cup. That would be some laugh:o
Exactly. Kenny did well in some games but tarnished it all with shocking loss in 1st round.Quote:
Originally Posted by Block G Raptor
I thinkt the reason Shels & City will do well is they have experience as a club & team - i.e. they used the whole preparation & travel that Europe brings.
Drogs & Derry may have some experience amoung individuals but not collectively. A lot will depend on the draw but I still feel they have responsibility to make 2nd round baring horrible draw.
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Originally Posted by pineapple stu
yes he was, and by all accounts we acquitted ourselves well
in the context of the season gone by, i wouldent go writing any kenny team off again ;)
ok.
cork should do ok plenty of experience in europe.
shels should do well but there is the odd great team in the intertoto cup(lazio were in it last year) they could get and there is only 3 rounds this year so eleven winners instead of 3 they could win one.
derry and drogs
think we both should get past first round (least to be expected from full time teams) after that who knows, i think we are tight enough at the back (said the actress to the bishop). but we have very little experience, think we threw away an intertoto place to bohs last year, it couldve got us a bit of european experience.
bloody heel pineapple you do hate doolin, did he miss his round at the ucd supporters club xmas do..!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
he needs to prove again next year he is a good manager, and finish higher...
ny hoop was fitzpatrick good with you lot.
Worse. He made us go to Dundalk last year. :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by mandrake
Exactly the kind of reponse I was looking for. People do enough of slagging each other of saying that Derry are flash in the pans, Dogheda are 26 pts off the pace and other such negative rubbish. The target next year should be to get 4 teams into the 1st round proper of the UEFA cup - highly optimistic and maybe even a bit naive - but it is possible. Then we can say the LEAGUE is making progress its all very well for ourselves and Shels to have the odd good year but only when we all doing well can we really be proud of our league.Quote:
Originally Posted by mandrake
I don't think experience has a lot to do with the preformance.
The level that ourselves and Cork were playing at this year was well above anything seen before in the LoI. That can only be good going into Europe, if you take a few anomalies (sp?) out then domestic class is usually a sign of what a team are capable of in Europe.
With Drogheda miles off the top two I just don't see why people feel we will reach the same round in Europe as them.
Its also possible that eL team will make CL group stages but i won't happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid
IMO target is 3 teams past 1st qualifying round of CL & Uefa Cup. Inter Toto was great when we were in it but from eL perspective makes little odds.
Has something happened over the past few days I have not heard??
This statement and some others after it are suggesting Shels could win through 3 rounds??Quote:
The pressure is off Shels now and we could well get past the 3 qualifying rounds.
I thought our league overall (Cork and Derry improved) was fairly poor. As I posted on the Shels board, Drogheda finished 26 points off Cork in 4th and Longford in 5th had a -3 Goal Difference!
There is a reason why shels will be UNSEEDED in the 1st Round of the Intertoto. I dont know how you can say they will even go close to winning a place in the UEFA Cup.
To be honest from an Irish point of view it would do more harm then good as any points we have then get split by 4 instead or 3. Shels would then need to win about 2 games in UEFA to make up for this fact I would imagine.