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Originally Posted by sirhamish
Isn't that the basis of all religion?Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
As it happens, I'm reading Darwin's 'Origin Of The Species' at the moment (it's part of my looking clever on the bus series :D) and while I haven't got too far through it yet, the arguments about variation under domestication are pretty convincing.
I merged 'em together for you hamish.Quote:
Originally Posted by sirhamish
That New Yorker article is a good read.Quote:
Originally Posted by sirhamish
I read the interview on Christianitytoday.com, and while it has its interesting bits, it's unfortunately lacking in references for the info in it. It also has some of the stuff that frustrates me about ID. While one site will talk about evidence that the Earth is substantially younger than is generally though (one fo your other links mentioned some of that), other ID promoters will come out with stuff like this, "We look at the Cambrian explosion, the sudden appearance of virtually all of the phyla of the animal kingdom with no predecessors." Hang on, what Cambrian explosion? If you don't believe the Earth is at least hundreds of millions of years old, how do you... :rolleyes:
Anyway, thanks for the links.
er.thanks Dahamsta:o :oQuote:
Originally Posted by dahamsta
That's one way of looking at it. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Schumi
Douglas Adams, a confirmed athiest, once wrote the following:
Another one of his quotes comes to mind now too:Quote:
. . . imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, 'This is an interesting world I find myself in'an interesting hole I find myself in'fits me rather neatly, doesn't it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!' This is such a powerful idea that as the sun rises in the sky and the air heats up and as, gradually, the puddle gets smaller and smaller, it's still frantically hanging on to the notion that everything's going to be alright, because this world was meant to have him in it, was built to have him in it; so the moment he disappears catches him rather by surprise. I think this may be something we need to be on the watch out for.
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There are some oddities in the perspective with which we see the world. The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas-covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be, but we have done various things over intellectual history to slowly correct some of our misapprehensions.
I think there are plenty of flaws in the original work that a modern evolutionist wouldn't agree with, but it's an awesome piece of thinking - few pieces of thinking have inspired as much research and debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Schumi
Tried that John but when I went back to make another quote I couldn't find a quote button and I clicked paste......nothing?????:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
You have to actually go back a page in your browser. There won't be a quote button in the bit of the thread you can see while in the post editor.Quote:
Originally Posted by sirhamish
EDIT: Quality - look at the Google ads at the bottom of the page!
Yeah, the New Yorker article is very readable, so to speak.Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
Funny, I notived that quote you mentioned too.
There do indeed appear to be a number of different takes on I.D.
I see an ad for Wolfe Tones CDs. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
Oh. So do I now. There were a couple of ID-related ones (plus a Ballinasloe tours one!) last time I looked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Schumi
EDIT: And now there is nothing. :)
Whaaa? :confused: :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
That'd be one long tour - NOT -unless you're German tourists that come off the boats at the Marina and get p!ssed on cheap beer from LIDL just across the road.:D
If you believe we were created then whoever did it didn't do a very good job did he/she?
If the planet was "designed" why have built-in volcanos, earthquakes etc...
'Cos god's a ****? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by pete
Well if we didn't have volcanoes it would be like blocking a pressure cooker - we'd all blow up from the repressed pressures inside the planet and plates create lovely mountains - Alpine Fold mountains for example....as well as earthquakes.:p :DQuote:
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I read somewhere that the people into this Rapture crack believe that the earth will be consumed by fire. They usually mention that it will be a Nuclear war but we will be consumed by fire, in billions of years when the sun becomes a red giant and burns every planet in the solar system. So they're kinda right.
Even wet and flooded places like Cork won't survive.:D heh heh
I often wondered is this why Bush takes such a reckless attitude towards the environment. Does he come from an angle that God won't let anything bad happen to his creation so we can carry on adding to global warming? I always felt Bush has been staggerinly short sighted on the issue only concerning himself with short term economic implications of cutting back carbon emissions.Quote:
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Remember that report a few weeks where he says he had conversations with God who told him to fix the Palestinian problem.
Re. the environment, I see the Arctic drilling has stopped because of some impending bill. Saw it today somewhere.
The recent book by that UK ambassador to the US says that he felt Chimpy McFlightsuit was very articulate and intelligent - that says more about the ambassador.:rolleyes:
Bush's backing of I.D. might see students refused admittance to third level education and other centres of learning. What companies are gonna employ people with I.D. included in their Science diplomas etc.
Chimpy never fails me to shock me with his stupidity.
More from the looney right regarding Dover/I.D. - Robertson is the nutter that advocated the "taking out" of Hugo Chavez. Video is also attached to script,
http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=19453
Ya wha........? I wonder if he's a Christian Zionist. Those who support the restablishment of Israel as fullfilling biblical prophecies to bring about the Second Coming.Quote:
Originally Posted by sirhamish
Here it is PS:Quote:
Originally Posted by Poor Student
Guardian Unlimited/Special Report/God told me - it's about 3rd way down - actual site wouldn't come up
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search
Had problems loading the following - coming through now. Same report.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/...586978,00.html
One of the delegates, Nabil Shaath, who was Palestinian foreign minister at the time, said: "President Bush said to all of us: 'I am driven with a mission from God'. God would tell me, 'George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan'. And I did. And then God would tell me 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq'. And I did."
Mr Bush went on: "And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, 'Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East'. And, by God, I'm gonna do it."
Yikes!:eek: If only I had known God subcribed to Realist school of international relations theory along with Thucyidides and Machiavelli when I did my exams in the summer.:eek:
Yeah bizaree he thinks that town has turned its back on God cos of I.D. rejection yet its ok for him to advocate assassination of Chavez if he won't give America oil.Quote:
Originally Posted by sirhamish
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Never quite sure where Dubya stands, but there are loads of people around him who are shaped by Millenarian thinking. Some of them think they can bring the end nearer by bringing about the conditions that they think are prophesied in Revelation. (The Free Presbyterians in the North would agree on most points)Quote:
Originally Posted by Poor Student
Trying to explain to them that the book of Revelation is a sectarian product of a sectarian community at the end of the 1st Century and that the references are all to a First Century situation is like trying to suggest that Genesis is not historical truth.
Underneath all their stuff there is a very strong extreme right-wing agenda.
I mentioned, above, a word about the dangers with regards to Science graduates from Kansas gaining employment or university places due to the pollution of their Science studies with the pseudo-Science of I.D.
Coincidentally, I received a newsletter e-mail from Air America's Randi Rhodes yesterday which went as follows:
"All we are is dust in the wind" (Kansas)
"Gravity isn't real and dinosaurs are dragons fron Hell" (The other Kansas)
If Katrina and Iraq woke up a politically sleepy nation to the horrors of neocon rule, let us hope what Kansas has done to their children exposes the extreme danger of the Rapture Right.
In a 6-4 ruling on Tuesday, the Kansas School Board has paved the way for Creationism to be taught, not in a comparative religion class, but as hard science.
Science is the study of the Natural World. Creationism is the study of the Supernatural World.
The US is chronically embarrassed by our pathetic math and science ranking in the world. More and more of our postgraduate research slots are being awarded to foreign students for lack of qualified or interested Americans. And as we enter the "century of biology," we are condemning ourselves to myth and magic while other nations simply pass us by.
Although, there are some signs of hope. Also on Tuesday, the people of Pennsylvania sent all the Flat-Earth freaks on their school board packing.
Get involved, stay informed and do the right thing even when no one is looking. We get but one chance to raise our kids.
Thanks for listening!
Love ALLways,
Randi
Now, while Randi, a veteran from one of the U.S. defence forces, would be termed "far-left" in America (i.e. to the left of Genghis Khan) I think she makes a good point here.
Her show can be heard on the web from 8pm to 11pm (our time) on Air America. She's o.k. in small doses.
Sir Hamish,
There are some interesting analyses of what's happening in America.
Got this link from an evangelical network I subscribe to:
http://www.eleutheria.biz/rnb/article.php?i=25&m=3
Ian
Could Beeslow be in mortal danger because Sir Hamish has rejected ID?
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/US/11/10...obertson.reut/
:) :)
If anyone listens to Robertson, I have no respect for them. If the man was a poster on a forum, he'd be flamebait, then banned.Quote:
Originally Posted by REVIP
I've already posted that story.Quote:
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:p :D
Beeslow is already Hell - the most boring town in Ireland, except for Tuam and Balbriggan.:D
This is the same guy who says the US should kill a democraticly elected leader of another country and suggusted that a nuke bomb should be set off at the CIA headquarters ....all on TV !
His 700 Club fake news reports is as bogus as what comes out of his mouth... it's mostly militant Christian stuff justifing war and in support of Bush.
Thanks Ian REVIP - will look it up in a second.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by REVIP
Hamish/Noel