All results now yeah?
Another defeat! :(
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All results now yeah?
Another defeat! :(
All over 3-0 nil, city for the league!
Think you might be right!Quote:
Originally Posted by Speranza
Yeah, can't really see cork winning it now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maz
Derry 4 de league
Just back from the RSC.
Cracking game, great crowd. Real Derby fare. Guess a draw was a fair result, once again the Blues thwart Cork :p
We're gonna stay up!
Heard that alright :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy's_head
***** *** ****** **** **** :DQuote:
Guess a draw was a fair result, once again the Blues thwart Cork
Fair play .... we'll do it all again next year so !! ;)Quote:
We're gonna stay up!
No bodder, ye wont beat us next year either ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by A face
We'll see about that !! :p :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy's_head
So what you think ... Fatrick there next year so ??
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Originally Posted by A face
Hmmmm I dunno, Id like to see it, and if the talk of developments in the RSC (new stand on the other side of the pitch) and extra money to come in are to be believed he might be interested himself. One thing he has done though (at least in public) has kept a lowish enough profile while he;s been here. Obviously recognising that he isnt the manager, although I'd imagine what goes on behind closed doors is a different story.....
You better fúcking believe it !! :D :p :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy's_head
Nah ... fair play if he stays ... should do well ..... but you'd wanna keep an eye on him like !! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy's_head
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Originally Posted by A face
Indeed, and his use of the wallet! Think we came too close to the brink this year to allow that to happen tbh
Yeah, we got beaten 3-1... :(Quote:
Originally Posted by SligoBrewer
just back form inchicore. very unlucky, two poor teams played a very niggly game.
kelly did his usual headline grabbing trick, pats defender is the last man and gets a yellow card for handball at 1-0, crazy, if its deliberate hand ball in that position, he has to go. at 2-1 when we look like getting something he awards a penalty for what appeared to be a kick at a pats player who had dived. the ball was dead ffs, he was pointing for the goal kick and awards a peno?!? what a ******. wont argue that mcdonnell was a silly boy for reacting to the cheat, but you cannot award a peno for it!!
we are rightly in the sh.ite now. and this time its not even our fault.
Was he even booked? I don't remember him booking him..he booked our player probably for 'dissent'..that was all, as far as I could seeQuote:
Originally Posted by Roverstillidie
That really was extraordinary...the pats player went down(fairly or not is irrelevant)..he acts as if nothing is up...then runs across the pitch to McDonnell and the player on the ground..gets near to them and then suddenly runs across the box again but giving a penalty now..:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Roverstillidie
Surely if he saw the incident he need not run across the box and then blow up for a penalty? Did the linesman give it? If he thought was a penalty as the incident happened, there would be nothing to gain by running over to the situation only to run away from it when you get there:confused:
And if anyone could tell me what was the last game Kelly refereed that Rovers won, I'd appreciate it, because I can't think of any..
yis are only believing what yis want to believe. dara wasnt going to be sent off cos caffo was behind him running towards the goal. he wasnt the last man and it wasnt deliberate hand ball. he went in for a tackle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roverstillidie
with regard to the pen. the ball wasnt dead. saw it on tv 3 last nite. kelly had played on. rovers player rightly sent off. pats player didnt run acroos pitch to mc donnell. it was a stupid thing to do by the rovers player.
the two teams were as bad as each other. but we won.
Quality post by green army. wasn't sure about the penalty but if it was still in play, the correct decision. Kelly was awful but not biased. He gave loads of decisions to the homeless, even if they weren't headline grabbing. Thought one of their players should've been sent off earlier. Got an early yellow and then a rash challenge on Reillly with 15 to go...
it wasnt, he was pointing for a goal kick when he ran over to the incident.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
it was the wrong decision, and as with letting the pats defender stay on after a deliberate handball, came at crucial times.
he was poor, but you got the key decisions in your favour.
i genuinely never recall winning a game with him in charge....
rovers have requsted a video copy of last nights match. he was that poor.
Nobody ever remembers the ref when they win games...
bet you will remember this cu.nt for the 3 points he gifted you!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Cork City that is.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Speranza
If there was any gifting, it was youse:Quote:
Originally Posted by Roverstillidie
- Molloy shot straight at Barry Ryan when he had the whole goal to aim for
- for the free that led to our first, you had a collection of players standing around at random ten yards from the ball, instead of forming a proper wall
- apart from one shot for your goal, you put no real pressure on our sub keeper
- if your centre half hadn't belted Socky, Kelly wouldn't have given the peno, dead ball or not
doc, you are one of the more intellegent posters on this forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr.Nightdub
so answer this. if a ball is dead, and a player strikes out:
do you
a: sanction the player (in this case a deserved red) and play on as normal, in this case a goal kick as per the rules of association football
or b: point for a goal kick, run up to the schmozzle and then point to the spot as per the voices in kelly's bleached blond little head?
how your defender didnt get a red card for deliberate hand ball in the last man position as the rovers striker was teeing up a shot is a disgrace. if the ref had applied the rules to a niggly game we would have probably got a point.
at least admit you got the rub of the green, we would.
Maguire did not deserve to be sent off. It wasn't deliberate handball it struck him on the arm...
And apparently TV3 showed last night that the ball wasn't out of play, so therefore a pnalty had to be awarded as I said on the Rovers forum, Kelly did not cost you the game last night. It was the ****e players you have in your team and the bizarre formation (Foley up front? Rutherford full back? Kenny?)
This is the point, lads. Not whether it was a penalty or not. Irrespective of any other decisions that anyone thinks Kelly gave us...it does not get away from the fact that he did the above..Quote:
Originally Posted by Roverstillidie
If he decided it was a penalty, why run over to it and then make the decision? What difference was it to make by running over there, because he must have not have made his decision...it's like he seen something there that made his decision....................................... :confused: :confused:
I have never seen a penalty be given like that - ever at games I've been to or saw.
That is separate from the handball preventing a goalscoring opportunity from the last man back..
Option (a) obviously. The fact remains that if your player hadn't hit ours in the first place, Kelly wouldn't have heard any little voices. As for running up to the schmozzle, part of his job as ref is to sort out such schmozzles, what's he meant to do, stand by and watch both teams kill each other?Quote:
Originally Posted by Roverstillidie
The referee is there to control all these issues, Dr. Nightdub...
He didn't. He didn't give the penalty - regardless of whether our player shot the Pats striker - immediately as he should do if he thinks it's a penalty. Bad Refereeing 1.
He then ran over and gave the penalty and ran away from the incident. Bad Refereeing 2.
Then a fight ensues between a lot of players and he has lost control of the issue. Bad Refereeing 3.
That is not good enough.
I assume that he ran over to the penalty spot and pointed towards the goal / at the spot for the penalty?
If so - then what Kelly did is correct - that is how we have been instructed to signal for a spot kick from the start of this season by FIFA.
From a Referees Instructor colleague of mine from England:
"Although the instruction at league/contrib is to move towards the Penalty Mark pointing, then take a position to accept the congratulations"
you are trying to avoid answering the question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr.Nightdub
mcdonnell lashed out and deserved to go. but the ball was dead (monday night will clear it up once and for all but i was sure kelly pointed for a goal kick) and as such he actually ran away from the flare up to overrule himself.
you are contradicting yourself on this.
from todays Irish Times:
"But St Patrick's Athletic had the final say when Shamrock Rovers defender Gavin McDonnell kicked out at Seán O'Connor after fouling him inside the area and referee Alan Kelly - who hadn't given the penalty for the initial challenge - pointed to the spot."
voices or not he cannot make that call from that set of circumstances and i hope the rovers board lodge a formal complaint if for no reason other than to hightlight that his father decides if he stays on the premier panel or not.
I'm looking at it from behind the Pats' keeper on the hill..
He is outside and to the left of the box when the incident happens at the edge of the right hand side of the box. Nothing is given, he then runs across the penalty box to the incident, past the penalty spot and just as he gets to the fallen pat's player, he then points to the spot and runs back across (left) to the penalty spot.
He did not consult any linesman, he did not give the decision as it occurred and he lost any respect I used to have for him before the start of last season.
read the threads again. that is the fourth thing he did after allowing play to go on after a dive, signalling a goal kick, running to a dust up and running away from it without intervening.Quote:
Originally Posted by Réiteoir
you are a referee, if the ball is dead can you give a penalty for someone throwing a kick?
even the pats players looked embarrassed.
Yeah, they had a lot of luck in the 1/4 final too! O'Donovan divin all over the place. 1)for the sendin off and... 2)for the penalty!!:mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Conor H
Sorry ... missed this last night .... I'll say one thing ... if we had an on-form striker all year, it would have been well wrapped up by now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conor H
What an irrelevant remark. If Finn Harps had an on-form team all year, they may have won the league - the fact is you didn't have a prolific striker
I believe there's a Sligo fan on here whose signature is "If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle". :)Quote:
Originally Posted by A face
ya thats sligoman.....and he was quoting our manager Sean Connor
Aye, that's me bluemovie:DQuote:
Originally Posted by The Stars
IF the ball is dead at the point of contact - then a penalty kick cannot be awarded - you can send someone off however - but you must restart with a goal kick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roverstillidie
If the ball ISN'T dead at the point that contact is made - but subsequently runs dead - then a penalty CAN be awarded.
We need to see film of this
Seen it over the weekend on the TV3 footage. Ball was definitely in play when McDonnell struck O'Connor. Correct decisionQuote:
Originally Posted by Réiteoir
I'm doing nothing of the sort. If - note, IF - the ball was dead, he should've simply red-carded McDonnell and given the free or kickout, but no peno. I've also pointed out that the opportunity for Kelly to award a peno wouldn't have arisen if your player hadn't been a moron.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roverstillidie
I suggest we park this until after eL Weekly tomorrow night.